Cintons arguments are a complete falacy, She can not win in the GE !

[Egnever]

Hillary has a problem with open primaries. Her argument at the moment seems to hinge on the idea that she is the better GE candidate but when the contests were open to all as they will be in the GE she doesn't fair so well at all. How she gets away with the I am more electable argument at all is beyond me.

I got these numbers from CNN

*Arkansas open O 26% C 70%
*California semi open O 43% C 52%
*Mass semi open O 41% C 56%
*New Jersey semi open O 44% C 54%
*Ohio open O 44% C 54%
*Rhode Island semi open O 40% C 58%
*Tennessee open O 41% C 54%
*Texas semi open O 47% C 51%


Alabama open O 56% C 42%
Georgia open O 67% C 31%
Hawaii open O 76% C 24%
Idaho open O 79% C 17%
Illinois open O 65% C 33%
Minnesota open O 66% C 32%
Mississippi open O 61% C 37%
Missouri open O 49% C 48%
New Hampshire semi open O 37% C 39%
North Dakota open O 61% C 37%
South Carolina open O 55% C 27%
Utah semi open O 57% C 39%
Vermont open O 59% C 39%
Virginia open O 64% C 35%
Wisconsin open O 58% C 41%
Wyoming open O 61% C 38%

Total Clinton 8 Obama 16
total with only open primaries or caucuses so far Clinton 4 Obama 14

Her whining about cacusses is also a complete falacy.

most of the open elections Obama won were primaries.

Alabama
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 05, 2008
Open primary: 60 total delegates*

Georgia
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 05, 2008
Open primary: 102 total delegates*

Illinois
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 05, 2008
Open primary: 184 total delegates*
153 tied to February 5 primary, 31 superdelegates

Mississippi
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY March 11, 2008
Open primary: 40 total delegates*
33 tied to March 11 primary, 7 superdelegates

Missouri
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 05, 2008
Open primary: 88 total delegates*
72 tied to February 5 primary, 16 superdelegates


South Carolina
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY January 26, 2008
Open primary: 54 total delegates*
45 tied to January 26 primary; 9 superdelegates

Utah
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 05, 2008
Semi-open primary: 29 total delegates*
23 tied to February 5 primary, 6 superdelegates

Vermont
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY March 04, 2008
Open primary: 23 total delegates*
15 tied to March 4 primary, 8 superdelegates

Virginia
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 12, 2008
Open primary: 101 total delegates*
83 tied to February 12 primary, 18 superdelegates

Wisconsin
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY February 19, 2008
Open primary: 92 total delegates*
74 tied to February 19 primary, 18 superdelegates


They have each won 15 primaries at this point 10 of his wins were open primaries while only 8 of hers were. So your story is completely full of holes except for the idea that clinton cant win a caucus in the whole contest she has won one, Nevada and even in that one she walked away with less delegates.

So in conclusion he has won just as many primaries as she has and he has won more of the ones that were open as the GE will be. The only time she can win is when it is limited to just Dem's or she lived in the state. Her chances in the GE are pathetic.

[DJ13]

1. With negatives above 50%, and over 60% consider her a liar, she's toast

Why some refuse to see this I'll never understand.

[Birthmark]

2. "Either" is the important word.

It makes no difference to me who the losing candidate is.

[Ashy Larry]

3. I think the "either" is sarcastic mocking in this case.

[Egnever]

4. Thanks for pointing that out

I was refering to her not being able to win either the GE or the primaries but I can see where it might confuse people so I will edit it.

[Birthmark]

5. Okay.

Question: How is Obama gonna rope in all those pissed off Clinton voters in the GE?

[Liberal Gramma]

6. I'd guess the same way we Deaniacs supported Kerry

[Birthmark]

7. That wasn't as nasty as this.

It also was far more brief. And, I hesitate to say it for several reasons, but I think Dean is a better team player than Clinton. I wouldn't take a bet as to whether she'll even endorse Obama.

I just think that this has escalated to the point where it's beyond fixing.

[Liberal Gramma]

9. Well, let's look at it mathematically

Not all Clinton supporters are so rabid they'd support McCain rather than the Democrat. I think the Pennsylvania polling was 47%, so half of them would vote Dem even if it isn't their candidate. That means we need to register new voters and pull in independents and crossovers in an unprecedented
quantity. I'm willing to work on that, and I think many other Obama supporters would also be.

[Birthmark]

11. Good luck to you.

That looks like a pile of work. If only one-tenth of Clinton voters simply stay home, that'll be almost insurmountable. Add that to a smaller number that will vote for McCain and it looks utterly impossible.

I still think a compromise candidate is a better way to go.

[Window]

8. If they don't want a president McWar, they will vote Democratic.

Plus, maybe all the new folks in the party will cancel them out. Who knows.

I think Sen. Obama will fare better than Hillary would in the GE, since she'd be pissing off an entire race and new registrants (if she managed to win in an unacceptable manner). Not to mention the GOP are salivating to run against Clinton.

[Birthmark]

12. I think most people out there think it's war...

...no matter who is President.

Whether Obama does better than Clinton is irrelevant. What matters is if he can do better than McCain. Under the circumstances, I don't think he can. The Clinton's aren't a forgiving bunch, imo.

[Egnever]

13. Honestly I dont think he has to

If you look at the voting totals state by state and compare them to the pukes he can lose those 20% of clinton supporters and still win handily in most states.

So much as I would like them to face reality and get behind our nominee if they dont and carry a grudge I dont think it will have any effect other than tightening the race slightly. He should still blow Mcsame out of the water despite them.

[Yossariant]

10. Obama 264, Clinton 284. I got these numbers from a VERIFIABLE LINK:

Obama 264, McCain 259 (15 tied)
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr24.html

Clinton 284, McCain 244
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr24.html

[Egnever]

14. A verifiable link? Half of the polls are months old

And it ignores the fact that we arent even running against mcsame yet. The second we start actually campaigning against him his numbers will drop like a rock.

[Adelante]

15. Excellent post, Egnever

Recommended.

[azmouse]

16. kick