What a POS!...the Repug *Meme* that Clintons are "holding out for 2012!

[KoKo]

Have you all thought about that Chris Matthews Crap from Karl Rove Operators on the Repug Side?

You think that Bill and Hillary are gonna haul their butts around through this again...so they can be like the "Undead" to run in 20012?

Have Dems lost their MINDS? Think about what it takes out of your life to run for President...and think about which of us would have that kind of stamina and fortitude and AMBITION to knock head against a wall ...over and over and over and over.

Many of you have misplaced the Evil Repugs (like the Cheney/Undead) with the Clintons that they would be scaring you with "OOOGAH BOOGAH" ...if we don't win this sucker we are gonna' COME ATTACHA' AGAIN in '12!"

Sheesh...sometimes I think we Dems have lost our minds from the Stress of it all. But, then...isn't that EXACTLY WHAT REPUGS WANT US TO DO? LOSE OUR MINDS?

BEWARE THE EVIL CLINTONS...THEY WILL COME BACK LIKE the BUSHIES in 2012 for REVENGE FOR THEIR AMBITIONS because they LOVE THAT POWER!

Sounds like something out of Rush Limpballs Script if you think about it...or maybe Rove's underwear.

[cbayer]

1. Typo in the title (the year)

Just giving you a heads up because you know how these things go.

[Kurovski]

4. LOL!

:rofl: Nicely understated. Perfect, in fact.

[tabatha]

2. That's a long wait - 18 centuries.

[JackBeck]

5. omg.

gotta get out the windex and paper towels for my laptop screen.



:rofl:

[melody]

3. Then why are they doing this? She can't win. You have any suggestions? n/t

[JuniperLea]

8. Why do people care so much?

If people truly believe she can't win, why all the angst? If she is no threat, why waste the energy? I'm perplexed by this whole thing.


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[Capn Sunshine]

17. Well the main problem, it's an energy drain

Operation Chaos means to keep us fighting primary wars as long as possible. Many of those chaos warriors are right here, enraging each of you with their outlandish and provocative posts.

Instead of concentrating on MC Cain and his intensely bad ideas and supporters, we are diverted from the task at hand.

Plus, we have to go more weeks without collecting funds for the general.

It all helps out McCain, intentionally or no.

By the way, to the Clinton Camp, who have nothing to lose: There's simply no way you can win. The dream of getting Obama to implode depends on the man imploding. It's just not realistic.

To base a strategy on the other guy melting down is the absolute height of unelectability.

[JuniperLea]

22. I agreed... then you lost me with the bullshit vitriol...

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[Capn Sunshine]

36. Vitriol?

You think depending on the other guy to melt down is sound thinking?

[KoKo]

49. I don't see what would stop either Hillary or Obama from going against McCain...

..and I've wondered why they haven't focused on pointing out the differences between each of their policies (though similar) to empower educated voters to see the difference. :shrug:

[KoKo]

10. Because she's hearing from her pollsters that she's still winning. She won PA

for the popular vote... To her that means she has a chance... Wouldn't many of us "hard core Dems" still think we had a fighting chance if we won by 8 points in a state where our opponent OUTSPENT US by huge margin?

Hey...I don't want the Clintons in there again...but as a Dem way down on the list of states to vote...I want a chance to still vote! It's been a long time. It was done way before I had a chance in '04 and Dem Strategy was to have the nomination all sewn up in the first three States.

I'm glad to have a chance to finally vote in a Primary...Why shouldn't I be? :shrug:

[blm]

14. You're going to GET your vote, but it's still true that Clintons are still in it to protect Bush.

They've been doing it since Bill first took office.

And if Hillary can't get in to continue the protection of BushInc then McCain HAS to be tapped for the job.

Refute ONE thing in this thread, KoKo, and THEN dare try to pretend this 'meme'is Republican. Republicans are the ones rooting for Hillary.
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[melody]

15. She has to cook the math to cough up that "popular vote" crap

And you damned well know it.

Obama is the nominee. I worked VERY hard for Edwards but the time came to take down those signs and accept the will of MY PARTY. It's not more important to me to shove my choice down the party's throat than it is to WIN in NOVEMBER. Pouting children insisting upon some impossible win against odds while weakening the party is very disturbing to those of us who refuse to let the GOP win again.

[KoKo]

24. Well the crooked voting machines and the math would seem to prove you wrong...she won PA...

whether you or I like it or not....:shrug:

[melody]

26. She was always going to win it. She still isn't winning this nomination.

The only way she can do it is to overrule the voters by bullying the SDs.

[KoKo]

29. Well...if she was "always going to win it...and she won it" then why do you deny her her win?

:shrug: Makes no sense.

[melody]

47. I'm not denying her win in PA -- I'm saying she cannot win the nomination n/t

[blm]

6. Baloney. Clintons have known since Super Tuesday that she can't win and media knows it, too.

So...WHY is she continuing in this way? And...Give SOUND reasons why she is doing this in such a NEGATIVE way.

[KoKo]

11. Obama hasn't "closed the deal" yet.....She's still winning states...whether you like her or not...

shes a Democratic Candidate and the wife of the only Double Term Elected President we've had since FDR!

Why Not?

[blm]

18. YES HE HAS. Your info is wrong - your info is REPUBLICAN MEME.

McClatchy SURVEYED the superdelegates after Super Tuesday and they KNOW Obama has the majority of their votes. Clintons know it, too and have this entire time.

I posted about it several times when it first happened, to report that the newsroom editted the story heavily under pressure.


Here is my original post:


blm Fri Mar-07-08 02:53 PM

Original message
TeamClinton constantly mentions the SHARED ticket because they KNOW that's ALL they can hope for.


Mr blm's newsroom has the details of a study that surveyed the leanings of all the superdelegates. The study concluded that there is no scenario that Hillary can win.

I don't know when the report will get published, it has been on hold for a couple days now. I expect it to become public soon. TeamClinton knows these facts, too.

Hillary's camp right now is playing a game of pressuring Obama to include them on the ticket or the attacks will continue.

THAT is the character of the Clinton campaign. They KNOW they can't win it, but will undermine and attack the presumptive nominee until they gain something from it.

On edit: I will also go on record and state that TeamClinton is wasting their time with the shared ticket pressure. They say it in hopes Obama's supporters come around to the idea for the 'sake of the party' to stop the attacks.
>>>>>>>


This was true then and true today.

[KoKo]

32. "blm".....you know me better than that......

Peace....!

[blm]

34. But Republicans ARE saying 'he can't close the deal' and they ARE saying HRC can win.

She can't and all the insiders know it and the news media.

[KoKo]

40. I haven't heard anything but them "taking turns" trashing both of them...

I finally had to turn off MSNBC tonight because they were trashing us Dems so bad on both sides. Usually they try to "take turns" so they don't look so "partisan." But, tonight it was a Repub whorefest against Obama for Wright and Hillary for those "Old People" who just seem to keep voting for her.

I try to watch, being a political junkie, but it gets overwhelming. They are trying to destroy our party by pitting us against each other...

But...you know I'm not a Repug...blm...you know about NC and Voting Rights...and what we tried to do here..

Peace!

[blm]

42. That's why I was INFORMING you that you were using Repub talking points.

I didn't think you would want to be using them knowingly.

[melody]

16. Her whole organization knows it -- get one of them to the side and ask them n/t

[KoKo]

30. Why did she win PA, then? ..if everyone's known since Super Tuesday?

Obviously some folks in PA didn't get "the message." :shrug:

[blm]

33. The MEDIA PEOPLE and the Clintons KNOW IT. The media is LYING to public about her chances because

THAT'S what they do.

Fer chrissakes, KoKo - READ what I wrote in early MARCH.... i WARNED that media was holding down the real story about this survey.

Here is my original post:


blm Fri Mar-07-08 02:53 PM

Original message
TeamClinton constantly mentions the SHARED ticket because they KNOW that's ALL they can hope for.


Mr blm's newsroom has the details of a study that surveyed the leanings of all the superdelegates. The study concluded that there is no scenario that Hillary can win.

I don't know when the report will get published, it has been on hold for a couple days now. I expect it to become public soon. TeamClinton knows these facts, too.

Hillary's camp right now is playing a game of pressuring Obama to include them on the ticket or the attacks will continue.

THAT is the character of the Clinton campaign. They KNOW they can't win it, but will undermine and attack the presumptive nominee until they gain something from it.

On edit: I will also go on record and state that TeamClinton is wasting their time with the shared ticket pressure. They say it in hopes Obama's supporters come around to the idea for the 'sake of the party' to stop the attacks.
>>>>>>>


This was true then and true today.

[PoliticalAmazon]

39. She won't run in 2012. She's pissed in the soup pot, she won't be asked back to dinner. n/t

[DJ13]

7. You know whats even more frightening?

A increasing number of Democrats also see it this way.

The whispers are only going to get louder, Hillary is damaging herself (and Bill) by refusing to concede at this point.

[JuniperLea]

9. If everyone "hates" her so much

Why does anyone care? Why the hubbub?

[DJ13]

13. Why does anyone care? Why the hubbub?

Because the rest of us Democrats dont want to see Hillary doing McCains job on our nominee.

That shouldnt be news.

[JuniperLea]

19. You make no sense...

If you were fighting half as hard to get Obama's positive message out there are you are bashing Hillary, you'd be doing something worthwhile.

The whining only makes Obama look weak and evil...


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[KoKo]

21. Because there are still folks voting for her.....whether we like them or not, whether they are dumb

folks who those who some say are old or not educated or whatever the TEE VEE and Pollsters tell us. There are still folks voting for her. So...Obama's folks will vote for him and eventually she will lose.

What's the big deal about it...? It's HER MONEY and HER DEBT.... The person "left standing" will win the nomination. As long as she wants to still take the "abuse" isn't it up to her and her supporters?

Isn't that the Democratic Way? :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

25. What a crock... excuse me... but this is bullshit

You aren't going to convince anyone to vote Obama with this nonsense.


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[blm]

27. The corporate media is DELIBERATELY LYING TO THEM about Her chance to win.

YOU are defending the corporate MEDIA'S interference with our Dem primary and usually YOU are the one voicing concerns about the media's influence - but you certainly aren't now, are you?

I WARNED about the media sitting on the story about what they know in early March.

Here is my original post:


blm Fri Mar-07-08 02:53 PM

Original message
TeamClinton constantly mentions the SHARED ticket because they KNOW that's ALL they can hope for.


Mr blm's newsroom has the details of a study that surveyed the leanings of all the superdelegates. The study concluded that there is no scenario that Hillary can win.

I don't know when the report will get published, it has been on hold for a couple days now. I expect it to become public soon. TeamClinton knows these facts, too.

Hillary's camp right now is playing a game of pressuring Obama to include them on the ticket or the attacks will continue.

THAT is the character of the Clinton campaign. They KNOW they can't win it, but will undermine and attack the presumptive nominee until they gain something from it.

On edit: I will also go on record and state that TeamClinton is wasting their time with the shared ticket pressure. They say it in hopes Obama's supporters come around to the idea for the 'sake of the party' to stop the attacks.
>>>>>>>


This was true then and true today.

[KoKo]

35. She won't win....so why not just let her "do her thing" with "her debt" and have everyone see

the voting process play out! What's the big deal about her. If she want's to be a "crash cart" then why is everyone carrying on as if she's a THREAT? :shrug: Why the vile and bitter posts here...where DU'ers go after anyone who tries to discuss anything about Politics and what's going on in this election. Why the stalking and foul language and attacks against everyone? :shrug:

Hillary and Bill will "crash cart" themselves. Let them do it! It's their money, their donors money and he's our ONLY TWO TERM ELECTED DEM SINCE FDR!

[blm]

38. He's our albatross. BushInc NEEDED Bill to win - Poppy expected to be impeached

after the Dec 1992 release of the BCCI report. Can you think of how Bill repaid him?

[KoKo]

44. I do think they thought they could do some good.. Maybe they were corrupted...

or maybe they were already corrupt...by why is it that we can't honor our own. When we lost our jobs in the 90's...Clinton's COBRA gave us health insurance for a time when we needed it to tide us over...he did cut the Capital Gains on the Wealthy and he did try to do something about the Environment.

I'd rather save my anger for Reid and Pelosi... They KNEW BETTER! AND...they didn't tell us that they were bought and paid for until we worked our butts off for years with lots of pain and push backs to give THEM a chance to rule! And, look what they've done with it!

I'm angry about alot...but the Clintons will crash and burn on their own. And, it's up to us to keep after Bush/Cheney who were the vilest of the bunch...because they have ruined our country. If you are angry because Clinton's helped them by "paving the way" then be angry. But, I want Bush/Cheney held accountable because THEY WERE THE ONES who CORRUPTED THE CLINTONS...and worked since NIXON FOR REVENGE and their PERSONAL AMBITIONS!

That's where I am on all this.....

[blm]

48. THEY undermined EVERY DEM who stepped up to oppose BushInc. YOU 'forgive' that

and want all those screwed over and especially DEAD because of 9-11 and the 'war on terror' to move PAST what Clintons did to protect Bushes?

[KoKo]

45. Can we forgive them for them being so overworked they only have McCorporate Media Propaganda

to listen to, then? Can we forgive those who don't have the time to search Liberal blogs for the TRUTH? Can we forgive our clueless uninformed citizens who still seem to vote for the Clintons much to the Horror of those who support Obama who seem to have the time to be better informed?

Can we do that...be a little forgiving to those who don't have our "Internet Advantages?" :shrug:

[Raine]

12. It's more and more obvious

and more and more people are seeing this as the way it really is.

[Bensthename]

20. Nah, she is just trying to make him unelectable this Nov.

[BlueIdaho]

23. The Clinton's Scorched Earth Tactics

the Billarys will not let let anyone stand in their way. They will gleefully destroy Obama if that's what it takes to get to 2012. These folks are political creatures of the first degree.

Try to remember - they are not Democrats, they are Clintons.

[OzarkDem]

28. GOP is nutz

They'll say ANYTHING to keep stirring the pot and keep Dems fighting each other.

[Life Long Dem]

31. So after Hillary loses this election,

will she comeback when she is 64 years old 2012, or when she is 68 years old in 2016? Seems a little more worth the effort to take Obama out this election than waiting when she is 68 years old which could be too late.

[KoKo]

37. Do you see her as a Bogeyman....Like waiting for Jeb Bush? Give me a Break...She is a Democrat and

you act like you are afraid of her. :shrug: Why is everyone more afraid of Hillary coming back than all of Chimpy's brothers...Doesn't he have three others? We never hear much about them...do we...but they are ALL WAITING IN THE WINGS! BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID! THE BUSHIES WILL COME BACK! THEY WILL KILL US IN OUR BEDS SINCE THEY COULDN'T DESTROY US THE FIRST TIME!

Sheesh. Hillary is worse than Bushies...give me a break! Hillary HAUNTS....:eyes:

[Life Long Dem]

41. Why doesn't she act like a Democrat?

[KoKo]

46. She is a DLC Democrat...and that's what she acts like because it's what she knows...

She and Bill founded the DLC...with others...because we kept losing elections. They misguidedly thought it was a "good thing" they were doing. Or, it was sold that way... Didn't help them when they got into office and the RW'ers accused Hillary of Murdering Vince Foster...and the rest.

But, no one want's to learn from our sad History...these days. Or, they have short memories about what was done to Gore and Kerry and Edwards..and Gore...and Kucinich and Gore and the rest of the ticket.

If we can pull it off by having a FRESH VOICE ...then it will be a good thing...but, some of us worry about the anger and hatefulness that Dems are doing to Dems. And, some of us wonder if it really is ALL DEMS...doing this to their fellow Dems...so we try to speak out from time to time...with our questions about what we think we are seeing...from our "old" experience with our party.

[blm]

43. Bush-Clinton-Bush -Clinton-Bush. There - does THAT make you feel better?

Clintons protect the Bushes - they always have and always will.