No matter what she says or does, you still support her

[JMDEM]

Obama supporters are called the "kool-aid drinkers". But no matter what Hillary says or does you still support her:

Votes for the Iraq war, without apology
Votes to enable Bush to go to war with Iran
Then says SHE would annihilate Iran if she becomes president
Is on Sibel Edmonds' "dirty dozen" list of Congressional obstructionists
Has taken more money from special interests than any other candidate
Lies about a very serious thing -- being under fire -- on four separate occasions
Then lies about her lies
Slams MoveOn and the entire progressive base of the Democratic Party
Will destroy her opponent at any cost -- including the entire Democratic Party
Hob nobs with arch-conservative media moguls
Dismisses all people and states that don't vote for her as irrelevant
Uses Rovian tactics and gutter politics at every turn

It's no wonder so many Hillarites say they will vote for McCain if Obama wins the primaries... what's the friggin' difference between the two???

[CBGLuthier]

1. Brilliant.

[cjsmom44]

72. RE: WHAT THEY ARE DRINKIN.....

I THINK WHAT THEY ARE DRINKIN IS HILLBILLY PUNCH.... :beer:

[cliffordu]

2. Yep. Nuff said. 'cept K&R

[BlueStater]

3. Both of them suck. How about that?

You happy now?

[f the letter]

42. An inconvenient truth there

i'll be voting for one of them, but jesus... what a choice

[DesertFlower]

4. K&R

[ccharles000]

5. Hillary has not done to many wrong things.

What she has done that is questionable I have already forgiven.:hug:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. tell that the vets who've had half their head or face or body parts blown off

do you think they've forgiven Hillary for her vote to send them to a war
based on lies?

[DogPoundPup]

62. Update that 60's photo you use....

[sandnsea]

6. Oh, I'll add another list

Lied about Iowa students being able to vote
Lied about Obama's pro-choice record
Lied about Obama's poll watchers in NH
Lied about the law suit in Nevada
Lied about Michigan and Nevada
Campaign injected race with "drug dealing", Hussein, "shuck and jive", "cool black friend", etc etc
Hsu, Paul, Chung, Huang, Burkle, Gupta...

And I'm sure there's at least this much more that someone else could add.

[Shae]

11. Agreed that FL and MI votes would not count . . .

Then turns around and tries to make it look like it's Obama's fault that their votes would not count.

[JMDEM]

16. Oh yes...

The brief appearance of Osama in the anti-Obama ad.

[ginnyinWI]

48. the 60 Minutes interview

She said Obama wasn't a Muslim---as far as she knew. This was a definite lie.

[BootinUp]

7. No, it goes: No matter what YOU say or do, I still support her. lol. nt

[JMDEM]

9. ?????????

[emilyg]

10. !!!!

[beezlebum]

31. please, tell

why?

instead of pre-k-esque tit for tat, go down the op's list, and justify each point. why is it that you still support her despite these glaring, rwish flaws?

i rly wanna know, please, so the depression at the mere thought of a hillary presidency will die down some...

[BootinUp]

33. Those points are bullshit

every single one of them.

[beezlebum]

34. well, next to yours they sure sound a lot more convincing.

it's not like this is a wordy dissertation your average person might have trouble refuting. it's succinct and to the point with just enough detail for explanation, which your hit-and-run lacks.

now, plz, convince me, tell me how you justify each one.

[otohara]

56. Her Words & Her Actions

Her, being Hillary...are the items addressed by OP.

What's with all this "you" stuff?

[cbayer]

8. Tell it to the squirrel.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

12. no difference at all - they are McSame

[RazBerryBeret]

14. well said...

not only votes for Iraq war w/out apology..but then runs and ad reminding us all the Osama Bin Laden is still free BECAUSE of this war--I thought that took guts...

[melody]

15. Amen n/t

[JMDEM]

17. Now, the question is -- WHY?

Is it pure idol worship? Projecting all hopes onto a single external figure? To be honest, many people supporting many candidates do that.

Is it pure demonization of Obama -- again, many people do this regarding their opponents. (This is how wars get started).

The impression I get from talking to some Hillary supporters is that she really WON'T be a bad President if she gets elected -- she's just saying and doing all this stuff to get elected. But because she's basically a good person, better than Obama, then anything goes to get the good person elected. She is saving us from our deluded selves.

Who knows - maybe this is true. But my problem with it is that her overall approach shows a seriously flawed character. I see narcissistic personality tendencies. I see a lot of selfishness. I see grandiosity. I see an attitude of entitlement. If this is the case, then she most certainly ISN'T the best candidate. Far from it.

[crankychatter]

19. I know why

War - propoganda - ethnocentricity - fear - rekindled racism in the US... smoldering under the surface... manifesting against Hispanic people...

they do it because they listen to the MSM and operate from their reptilian brains... perhaps a step up from there...

Clinton does it because THEY PAY HER to do it... just like the GOPers.

I really don't think it's about personal ambition, so much as simple corruption.

[JMDEM]

21. So you say she's operating out of sheer greed...

No conscience whatsoever -- just sheer greed and ambition for power?

Well, this would be bad. She did do some good things before she went whacko with power. She did support some good legislation, although I can't forgive her for her votes that enabled Bush. Of course most of those bad votes could be chalked up to AIPIC.

But she sure has gone whacko in the last few months. Yikes.

[crankychatter]

24. the left right paradigm with accompanying legislation and rhetoric

is a necessary function of the "good cop, bad cop" dog and pony show

that's why all of this is SUCH a shock to the sensibilities

we actually BELIEVED them

you know that bill and hillary went to the bilderbergers long before they were a twinkling on the horizon of national politics

you know that the bush's and sauds are business partners in munitions

the clinton's were anointed to be what they became

NAFTA, CAFTA and the War on the Poor

the list of horribles is too long to enumerate

[crankychatter]

18. ker-SNAP

yeouch

k/r

[WillyT]

20. Exactly...

:kick:

[Kaleva]

22. Diehards see no evil, hear no evil....

in regards to their favorite.

Many of the (bad) things being said here about Hillary today were said about the Clinton's back in the '90's but a number overlooked it then.

[mirrera]

23. Exactly! Hey TEN MORE POSTS!!!! Keep writing!n/t

[Avalux]

25. Great list. Let's put it on mailers to NC and IN shall we?

I think we should - everyone who has yet to vote needs to see Hillary's shortcomings in black and white. Thank you.

[defendandprotect]

76. Do we have any DU posters here from NC and/or IN . .. ???

[backscatter712]

26. Her most enthusiastic supporters these days are Freepers.

No thinking, progressive person who's paid attention and did their homework could possibly support her in preference to Obama.

[Genevieve]

27. They're equivalent to those who still support bush

They'll never change their minds.......the bottom 27%.

[Seabiscuit]

30. Every day there's a new Obamanoid here that posts something disgusting like this.

[Genevieve]

32. Obamanoid! LOL

[JMDEM]

64. Name one misstatement in my original list. NT.

[Taxmyth]

28. One is a centrist Democrat the other a centrist Republican

One would appoint Judges favoring more liberal attitudes and one would appoint Judges with a more conservative attitude. Both have served on prestigious committees while serving as Senator and have reached across the aisle to enact meaningful legislation. One has been a member of the Democratic Party for many years and has worked to strengthen the actual base of the Democratic Party, one has been a member of the Republican Party for many years and has worked to strengthen the actual base of the Republican Party. Both are hated by the extreme elements of their prospective Parties.

Why do so many supporters of Senator Obama say they won't vote for her if she is the nominee?

[dana_b]

41. "Why do so many supporters of Senator Obama say they won't vote for her if she is the nominee?"

See OP.

[TragedyandHope]

29. I think the majority of Clinton supporters made up their minds

to support her long ago, before most of this stuff came out. During this campaign, their energy has been focused on tearing Obama down at every step. That anti-Obama focus just strengthens their resolve and builds an almost impenetrable barrier that repels any criticism of their own candidate without a moment's thought or consideration.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

35. Anyone who calls themselves a "progressive" can simply NOT support Clinton...

for the exact reasons you succinctly laid out. They are unable to change their minds and move on.

[Solomon]

36. It's fascinating to watch it all get exposed.

I'm glad a lot of people are seeing what I'm seeing.

[Deja Q]

37. Let's discuss:

Votes for the Iraq war, without apology

One should not always apologize, but at least admit tactical errors. Saying one is wrong is not the same as apologizing; she did what she thought was right at the time.


Votes to enable Bush to go to war with Iran

You know, regarding Iran, other countries (and the UN) are not happy with their antics. I support Hillary on this one.


Then says SHE would annihilate Iran if she becomes president

When? I recall her speeches about proper defense, et cetera.


Slams MoveOn and the entire progressive base of the Democratic Party

Democrats are more than just those who compose MoveOn. I need to read up on her complaint; maybe she has a valid case?


Will destroy her opponent at any cost -- including the entire Democratic Party

Most politicians tend to do that -- recall the Republican candidates in 08?



Hob nobs with arch-conservative media moguls

That concerns me, but as the old bumper sticker claims, the liberal media is only as liberal as the conservative executives who run them.


Dismisses all people and states that don't vote for her as irrelevant

Again, seems normal for politicians...


Uses Rovian tactics and gutter politics at every turn

And that's bad? Okay, in a way it's bad but on the other hand, it can be effective.



I'm just observing. I've knocked her, I've supported her, and I'm being objective about her. As I would any candidate.

[JMDEM]

65. Thank you for emphasizing my point. nt.

[othermeans]

81. Hope this puts Hillary in the always exciting genocidal maniac category

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it were to launch a nuclear attack against Israel)," Clinton said, responding, somewhat unusually, to a hypothetical question. "And I want them to understand that... in the next 10 years during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel we would be able to totally obliterate them"



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/US_stance_wrinkles_Delhi_red_carpet_for
_Ahmadinejad/articleshow/2976994.cms


On primary election day in Pennsylvania, even with polls showing her well ahead in that state, Hillary went lower in her grab for votes. Seizing upon a question as to how she would respond to a nuclear attack by Iran, which doesn't have nuclear weapons, on Israel, which does, Hillary mocked reasoned discourse by promising to "totally obliterate them," in an apparent reference to the population of Iran. That is not a word gaffe; it is an assertion of the right of our nation to commit genocide on an unprecedented scale.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-scheer/clinton-puts-iran-in-her_b
_98133.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. Here, let me help you:

Obama has done such negative campaigning and you all ignore it. As I sit here and read the replies to this thread, I wonder if you have ever ever looked at Obama! He can eat puppies at his lobbyist's mansion and you would still support him!

Let me help you:

1. "Votes for Iraq war": Lots of people did, and regretted it. I listened to her explanation and believe her. I also see Obama as no different on the war issue--he has supported it since the day he got in office.

2. Iran: The Kyl-Lierbeman vote was no such thing. Enemies twisted that vote. Obama was too afraid to take a stand and hid out until after the political wind told him what to say. He lied and changed his story about why he could not make the vote--not Presidential material.

3. "Then says SHE would annihilate Iran if she becomes president" She said no such thing. More twisting and distorting. And frankly this distortion is reprehensible. How dare you stoop so low as to accuse her of that.
She was asked a hypothetical. what shall we say to Iran if they attack Israel with nuclear weapons? Deterrence is a good thing. To tell Iran: don't do it or there will be hell to pay, is a pretty good deterrent.

4. Is on Sibel Edmonds' "dirty dozen" list of Congressional obstructionists--I cannot address this without more information.

5. Has taken more money from special interests than any other candidate. She is at least honest about it. Obama takes money from special interests and lies about it.

5. Lies about a very serious thing -- being under fire -- on four separate occasions
Then lies about her lies. I do not think the bosnia thing is a lie. I think it is a stupid exaggeration. I am certain that the flight into the front lines had precautions not unlike the ones she suggested. She was in a war zone, front lines, and has more experience than Obama in foreign relations. Obama lies constantly. The media ignores it. He lied about his resume (he was never a professor), he lied about Rezko he lied about taking money from Lobbyists. He lied about NAFTA and Canada.

It makes me think that if you really cared about honesty, Obama would not be your candidate of choice.

6. "Slams MoveOn and the entire progressive base of the Democratic Party" MoveOn decided to support the opponent. What is she supposed to do? They chose to put themselves into this election rather than waiting for the general. They got what was coming to them.

7. "Will destroy her opponent at any cost -- including the entire Democratic Party" If you look at the history of this campaign you will see that Obama has been negative and divisive from the beginning. Actions speak louder than words. He calls himself a different kind of candidate while shouting racism to gain the votes of blacks in SC and now in NC. This Willie Horton tactic is worse than anything Clinton has done.

8. "Hob nobs with conservative moguls" Your double standard is showing. When Obama wanted a Conservative paper's endorsement, he praised Reagan and the republican ideals When Obama goes on fox and praises McCain, he is being inclusive. When Clinton does it--she is betraying us.

9. "Dismisses all people and states that don't vote for her as irrelevant" That statement makes no sense at all. You mean Fl and Mi? Or do you mean "white trash?"

10. "Uses Rovian tactics and gutter politics at every turn" everyone says that in vague terms yet no one can name a specific. Well I have specifics: Obama shouting "Racism!" to win. Obama sending out fliers using republican talking points to attack Healthcare (that will likely help to defeat it no matter who is president), Obama lying about Clinton's position on NAFTA, Obama suggesting that Clinton was partially responsible for killing Bhutto. There are many more, but you get the idea.

Your post shows a biased, uninformed caricature of a candidate that was created by enemies who re-defined Clinton and then hate her for that re-definition.

[ecdab]

39. I think this posts answers the question of why Clinton supporters

continue to supporter her despite the OP's list - ignorance.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. Do you think that was an intelligent response? Name calling and attacking

rather than address the issues. Here we go again. Nothing ever specific about Clinton and her "tactics" but lies and distortions. When confronted, the critics attack rather than enlighten. Because there are no specifics.

And, never ever do they address the issues about Obama and HIS tactics.

Clinton must do everything Obama does backwards and in high heels.

[ecdab]

47. It is not like everything I'm about to post hasn't been said a thousand times - but here we go

1. If you can not see the difference between one candidate supporting going to war and walking on the anti-war movement while the other supported the anti-war movement and opposed the war - I can only chalk that up to ignorance. Is Obama the perfect anti-war candidate - nope, is he better than Hillary - yep.

2. Here you indicate that Hillary was golden in her vote, but that Obama was wrong to not vote on it (I can only assume that you believe he was wrong to not vote yes on it). It's OK if you are a hawk - but her yes vote was the vote of a hawk and a lot of people are not interested in another hawk roosting in the white house.

3. Technically you are correct - she said she would obliterate Iran, not Annihilate Iran - though there is really no difference. See above for the whole "hawk" thing.

4. You simply admit to being ignorant on this one - so you really shouldn't complain about being called something that you already admitted to being.

5. Obama took money in his Senate campaigns from lobbyist - not in this campaign. A point that is lost on people that don't know any better.

6. Since when did it become OK for a Democratic candidate to slam on and lie about segments of the Democratic base because they support another Democrat. It's one thing to attack another candidate - it's quite another to attack and lie about average citizens.

7. Obama has never shouted racism, though some of his supporters have. Certainly Obama has attacked Hillary, but he done so in a much different fashion than she has. But you actually do have some validity in your point here, though less than I think you believe that you have.

8. They both screwed up in terms of saying nice things about McCain. The comments about Reagan have been spun into the ground by camp Hillary. But again, there is some truth in your point.

9. Hillary has been very dismissive of Democrats in states that didn't vote for her. You can feign ignorance if you like. I don't see this one as big deal.

10. Let's look at the push polling she is doing in North Carolina right now. Or using religion as a wedge issue, or patriotism. She has been using the standard GOP campaign attacks this entire campaign. While Obama has been attacking her - he has done it (largely) from the perspective of her not being liberal enough for Democrats (with the exception of his attacks on her health care plan, and those attacks do bother me). Hillary, on the other hand has been attacking Obama with guilt by association tactics (a favorite of the GOP), and creating innuendos about religion, race, and patriotism. It's been great practice for Obama, but it really does make Hillary look bad.

Your response to items 1, 4, 5, 6, and 10 are wholly based on either ignorance or intellectual dishonest. I prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt and call it ignorance.

Your response to items 2 and 3 are hawkish, but that it simply a matter of perspective and opinion upon which I disagree with you.

Your responses to items 7, 8 and 9 have some standard campaign exaggerations in them and a bit of turning a blind eye toward the mirror - but both sides do that in every campaign, so I really can not fault you there.

[Evergreen Emerald]

51. ohmygod! YOu do not even care if you make crap up.

1. If you do not see that Obama created his "anti-war" stance out of whole cloth, you are blind to reality.

2. Obama showed his true colors--yellow. He is not knowledgeable about the issues, so he secrets himself from votes and waits for the fall out, and then in a disingenuous stance says: "I would have done this..." (what ever the crowd tells him to believe)

3. What Clinton said about Iran you have taken out of context, and then of course had to distort to fit your version of reality

4. I see that you are very able to call names, but not able at all to address the issues.

Push polling: both candidates do it. It is nothing new. It is politics. You cheer Obama when he does it, but vilify clinton.

You have done little but call me ignorant. And, frankly, I am surprised at your lack of knowledge of the issues for one who is so willing to call names.

[ecdab]

55. LOL. Created his anti-war stance out of whole cloth? HAHA

Yes - I'm laughing at you. I can only assume you were one of the many Democrats that supported the invasion of Iraq and believed all the right wing spin at the time.

There is nothing disingenuous about asserting what he would have done - it is simply less meaningful than being able to state what he actually did.

How am I taking her words out of context on Iran - I didn't even put them into a context.

What issues would you like me to address - I was only trying to address the issue of Hillary supporters being ignorant.

Obama has not been conducting push polling. Fail.

[usrbs]

52. Good job. n/t

[KaptBunnyPants]

53. You are wrong.

1. Clinton doesn't regret voting for Iraq. She still believes she did the right thing.

2. Kyl Lieberman names the Iranian military a terrorist organization. This is obviously a justification for further overt and covert military action against Iran. Hillary voted for it, Obama didn't.

3. Hillary has acted belligerent toward Iran, and unnecessarily threatened them with nuclear annihilation. Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons and nuclear subs. A nuclear war in the Middle East would have no winners, and everyone knows that.

4. Information which you will never look up.

5. Hillary's campaign lied about Canada. That was exposed as a dirty trick a long time ago, and it's time you guys wise up.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/03/05/4920341-cp.htm
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/738264.aspx

You've been had.

6. "They got what was coming to them." This is why she cannot be allowed to become president.

7. Her only argument now is that Obama, a black man, attends a black church lead by black minister Jeremy Wright who preaches angry black rhetoric and is thus unAmerican. Furthermore, as a black man can never convince white people to support them, he should be denied the nomination even after he won the popular contest. You argue that's not racist, and make yourself a fool.

8. Barack was careful to word his praising of Reagan in the same way that you could praise Stalin or Hitler. They were great leaders, who lead large movements, and touched peoples hearts. That doesn't make them good. Fox news and right wing radio are now openly supporting your candidate. Don't you find that embarrassing?

9. Florida and Michigan did that. Not Dean, not Obama, and not the DNC. Hillary's got a lot of friends in the Floridan and Michigan political machines, so why don't you ask them why they didn't hold a legitimate contest. It almost seems like they are trying to avoid finding a just solution so that they can claim they were disenfranchised later.

10. I didn't like what Obama said about mandates, as I was an Edwards supporter. And I was quite upset about that. But Obama has won the nomination, and we need to get a Democrat elected, so I put it behind me. I hope he is willing to revisit the idea of mandates later, especially when Edwards joins his campaign. And Obama didn't need to cite racism, Geraldine and Bill keep bringing it up. And now the candidate herself. She wouldn't have been at that church. Trinity is a typical black church, she is making that judgment against black culture itself. And Hillary was and is a NAFTA booster. You are truly blind if you think otherwise. NAFTA was the Clintons' prize accomplishment, which they did against the foolish concerns of "activists" who thought it would damage the environment and workers rights. Silly activists.

[shadowknows69]

58. You're really going to need some help when this is over

[JMDEM]

67. Thank you for emphasizing my point. nt.

[Tactical Progressive]

69. wonderfully refuted across the board

Even knowing that the OP is as uninterested in honesty as it is possible to be, you still take the time.

Almost everything they accuse Hillary of doing, Obama has done it worse by far. You point out quite a few instances. Watching Obama's supporters pretending that Hillary is evil and that Obama is good is like an exercise in insanity. Neither position could be farther from the truth.

[proud2BlibKansan]

77. 1. Yes she voted for the war and NEVER apologized

2. She voted to invade Iran - can't spin that

3. Yes, she did threaten Iran - can't spin that either

4. True

5. A lie that has been refuted so many times it makes my head spin

5. Hillary lied about Bosnia and you lie about Obama. But the truth seems to escape you Hillary worshippers.

6. She CHOSE to be nasty to MoveOn and all the activists who support them. DUMB MOVE.

7. Another lie. Obama has never shouted racism and you know it.

8. Pandering to the right and its media is just plain stupid.

9. You know exactly what this means. Obama has won more states and Hillary ignores the states she hasn't taken. Hell, she hasn't even paid her bills in Iowa!

10.When did Obama shout "Racism"??

Your post shows a complete and utter disregard for the truth.

[Moochy]

43. Clearly and concisely stated

:kick:

[tekisui]

44. Chest thumping Obliteration talk.

I feel sorry for the Clinton Defenders. That have to defend some pretty shitty stuff. Hurts a Progressive to go there.

[Olney Blue]

45. I've learned not to waste my time defending her on a post like this.

[understandinglife]

46. Simply - None ...

[hayu_lol]

50. Hillary voted for the IWR...

yet there are plenty of Obama supporters here who also were for Biden, Kerry(in his election run), and Edwards who also voted for the IWR.

Isn't it time for Obama supporters to put a list of negative items about Obama up for the world to see. They are so very quick to tell us what we already know. They should at least be honest about their badly flawed candidate.

Yes, I support Hillary as being the best of those who chose to run in this election. Superior in all respects to this pretender from Chicago.

[yodermon]

49. iS ON SIBEL EDMONDS' "DIRTY DOZEN" LIST OF CONGRESSIONAL OBSTRUCTIONISTS

sorry, this needs to be shouted.

http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/whistleblowers-dirty-dozen-interwiew.html

[Dystopian]

63. Thank you!

:thumbsup:

peace~

[defendandprotect]

74. WOW-!! I didn't know that ---!!! That's quite a vile list of Repugs for HRC to be on--!!!

Senator Hillary Clinton
Senator Mike DeWine
Rep. David Dreier
Rep. Dennis Hastert
Senator Orrin Hatch
Rep. Peter Hoekstra
Senator Jon Kyl
Senator Joseph Lieberman
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger
Senator Rick Santorum
Rep. James Sensenbrenner
Rep. Mark Souder


BLEECH . .. !!!

[MethuenProgressive]

54. Wow. A real cool aid bath of an OP.

Who told you all those things? They're lying to you.

[JMDEM]

70. Thank you for proving my point ...

How ridiculously blind you are. Beyond belief.

[happygoluckytoyou]

57. we dont go to the general election with the candidate we want, but with the candidate we have.....

the only quote rummy will ever be remembered for.....

hillary.... step aside... according to the REAL RULES you are out of the running...

can we see if the FIRST woman candidate who got so far knows how to leave it on the field ??????

[katandmoon]

59. And if she gets the nomination you'll have to vote for her....bwahahahahaha

[Liberal Gramma]

60. Surely, you mean "if she gets the nomination I HOPE you will vote for her"

so you don't alienate the Obama supporters.

[Eric Condon]

61. k & r

[Name removed]

66. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[emilyg]

68. None of the above. Speak for yourself.

[defendandprotect]

75. Well... they're also usually the ones who don't want to fess up to what the DLC is all about ---!!

Moving the party to the right --- supporting corporatism . . .

[Tactical Progressive]

71. Your first three are flat-out lies

The rest seem to be pretty much gutter innuendo.

Pretty much like Obama himself.

[JMDEM]

80. Then put up your rebuttal. Oh, you can't? nt

[BenDavid]

73. obama's is the hot air, and HRC is the balloon

[LWolf]

78. No I don't.

I never have.

I find the same statement to be true for both camps:

"No matter what he says, or she says, or what he does, or she does, you all still support him or her."

[Alii]

79. It should be obvious...

that many of her supporters, the more intelligent ones, are jumping ship each and every day. NOW..refute this.

The following is a "snippet" from the Washington Post: (there were other Judas' there)

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By Jonathan Weisman and Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, April 26, 2008; Page A01

...snip...

Other Obama converts include William Louis-Dreyfus. The billionaire New York financier said he had been impressed by Clinton's performance in the Senate and distressed by eight years of the Bush administration when he donated the maximum to her campaign last August. Then, he said, he began watching more closely.

"However much one might have supported the Clintons, or one might support the usual suspects in the Democratic Party, I began to believe Obama represents a new approach. He gives off such a sense of relevance that he's sort of irresistible," Louis-Dreyfus said.

He also expressed, as did other big givers who crossed to Obama, exasperation about the tone of the Clinton campaign and frustration with the candidate herself.

"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.

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He, like many others, originally donated $2300 to the Clinton camp and then made matching donations to Obama in an attempt to assuage their conscience.

I particulary liked the part, "all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her."

The more intelligent are jumping ship...what's holding you up? The misguided Clinton supporters that is.