Is there no pundit or other person out there who will defend the Clintons

[jasmine621]

against the smear job that is being done to them by the media, the RW, and now their own Democratic party?

I have had it with this crazy bullshit. I listened to Bill Clinton's comments about which he is now being attacked as desperated, last ditch, hell-bent moves to undermine Obama for the GE since Hillary knows she can't win it. What utter, feeble nonesense. It blows my mind how little people can think for themselves. The first race card was played by the Obama camp with the help of the media when Clinton was accused of racist remarks by comparing Jesse Jackson's campain to the Obama campaign as he won SC. That, people, was a statement of fact. Not a racist remark on a race card. And his latest remarks about the Obama campaign pulling out the race card against him and the memo that proves it is not what it is being made out to be. The very exxagerated outrage by some of the Black Caucus members which is designed to enrage black voters is so transparent it is shameful.

First of all, the one thing that the Clinton's were hated for, especially Bill, was his closeness to the African-American community, going all the way back to his Arkansas days as governor. They came into the WH with that baggae and carried it out with them when they left. Now for many blacks who are buying the lastest crap against Hillary being willing to do anything to ruin the GE for Obama it really is shameful and dishonest to support this smear. But they will buy into it. And what it means for America is that no matter who the person is, if he or she is black, and running for the Presidency, any criticism will be off limits unless you want to be forever labeled racist. Well, I just don't buy it. And Obama is less of a man than I thought he was if he allows that notion to permeate his campaign and allows the ugly whispering campaign against Bill and Hillary to continue. Hillary gets blamed for every negative thing that is uncovered about Obama, and for every gaffe he makes on his own. The stage is being set to blame an Obama loss in November on the Clintons...not on the nation's racism, but theirs.

I am black and I am sick of this crap. Nothing I can do about it but rant.

Let the flames begin.

[Lyric]

1. No flames from me.

Regardless of your opinion, you are AA. I respect the hell out of a fellow minority (GLBT myself).

Peace to you and yours,

Oktoberain

[bowens43]

2. smear job? The clintons have earned everything they're getting.

[Kittycat]

3. Sorry - i can't help... I'm dead to them, they threw me under the bus and

backed up, and did it again a few more times.

I guess that's what I get by being in a latte, grass roots liberal in big state in the midwest that didn't vote for her.

[TwilightGardener]

4. Maybe people are just fucking sick and tired of them, and want them to finally go away.

[Rageneau]

5. BartCop defends her very well, without ever dissing Obama.

If Bart were running the Democratic Party, we'd do nothing but win.

[MadBadger]

6. Dont you guys love Lou Dobbs for this?

[frogcycle]

7. thank you for your post

this whole thing is a nightmare. nobody wins.

the feeding frenzy is appalling. I can only think of Al Gore taking a pass on what would probably have been a sure thing to avoid subjecting himself and family to this "toxic environment," as he put it. So true.

[EFerrari]

8. Long before that remark of Bill's, Hillary had to fire Shaheen

for insinuating Obama dealt drugs.

There are plenty of legit criticisms you can make about Obama. Calling him a drug dealing or a mugger or a car jacker, asking repeatedly if he's "electable" when he's ahead by all metrics or otherwise trying to marginalize him don't happen to be any of those legit criticisms.

[redstate_democrat]

9. This is your partisan take on it.

I am also black, as if that means anything. The Clintons have ran a disgustingly racist campaign. There is NO amount of spin they can put on it. The MSM is wrong most of the time, but they have picked up on their trash. They may not be reporting on it for pure reasons, of course they have nefarious reasons for reporting on it, but they are reporting facts, and people will interpret anyway they choose. Most people have interpreted the Clintons' various statements as racist.

[emilyg]

36. How would you interpret Jackson and Michell?

That was racist.

[redstate_democrat]

44. Provide some context/statements that these two individuals have

made and I will seriously look at them to determine if said statements are racist. But please don't come back with statements from them which observe or call out the racism of others. I want you to quote a similar statement made by Michelle in where she says Hillary only won Ohio because some other white woman politician won Ohio. Or something comparable.

You won't find such statements.

[ProSense]

10. "The first race card was played by the Obama camp..."

Your facts are screwy.

[bluetrain]

11. Kick

[rwheeler31]

12. Sorry can't help. Her campaign is awful.

[wileedog]

13. Nothing better than another "Obama is the negative one" thread

Of course the media helped Obama play the race card in SC. They worked it out in a back room right before the made a deal to actually check her Bosnia story.

Poor Hillary, a victim again.

Oh, what does the term "kitchen-sink" mean to you, BTW? I heard some Clinton aides talking about it and I was curious what they were referring to.

[jillan]

14. Bill Clinton did so much for minorities when he was in office -

and now they say he is a racist.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

They twist his words around to fit this label.

They did the same thing to Joe Biden - a man who has fought his whole life time for civil rights.

Now that Biden is out of the race, they are doing it to Bill.


:grr:

[wileedog]

15. ITS A VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY!!11!!

[jillan]

16. Oh - you are very funny.

:boring:

[rodeodance]

25. The so-called left is not progressive--they are stirring a toxic stew.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. Ungrateful darkies!

:eyes:

[Kittycat]

27. "they", "they", "they". All "They" do is take? Is that what you're trying to say?

[TahitiNut]

37. Nice catch. Obvious, isn't it?

"They" should be happy the Lord deigned to share crumbs from his table. After all, "they" didn't actually EARN anything ... "they" needed HIS generosity.

Good. Fucking. God! :puke: :puke:

[ej510]

35. Will you please tell me what he did for me?

[BlueIdaho]

17. The Clintons

Will have to answer for their kitchen sink campaign when this primary season is over. They have repeatedly campaigned through innuendo, half truths, and character assassination. The party and history will not be kind to them.

They deserve what they get.

[DemGa]

18. K&R

[backscatter712]

19. We can continue to try to educate you.

But if you continue your willful stupidity and refuse to understand what we're saying, we can't comprehend it for you.

Fine, stay in your intentional ignorance. Don't come crying to me when it bites you in the ass.

[mirrera]

20. I am white for what it matters and it is nothing about race that makes me...

PISSED off at Hillary Clinton. She is using MIS_INFORMATION to try and win. Do you think Obama is pro-choice? Do you think Obama is a secret 1 person muslim sleeper cell? Do you think Obama is unfit to command and blah blah blah? Give me a break! She twists the truth! She lies! ARGHHHH! I am so sick of bullshit. Obama will not be perfect, but boy does he understand the zeitgeist. We are so done with DLC... so done.

[anigbrowl]

21. "It blows my mind how little people can think for themselves."

Has it occurred to you that maybe your view of events is not the only valid one? I was troubled by Bill Clinton's remarks about SC: his mention of Jesse Jackson was not just a statement of fact, but carried an implication that Obama only won that state because he was black; Jesse Jackson did not become a major force in Dem party politics, and the inference was that Obama's victory didn't matter as a result.

Assuming for a moment that Clinton doesn't win the nom, imagine you and I were running against each other in 20 years time and you won New Hampshire. how would you feel if I said 'Well Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire way back in 2008...'

[northzax]

39. um, he did, you know

win because he is black, in south Carolina at least and in Georgia, and Mississippi, he won those states because he won 95% of the black vote, which comprises almost half, if not more than half (in Mississippi) of the democratic primary electorate in those states. Do you seriously want to argue that there was record turnout by black democrats because everyone loved his policies so much?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Um, apparently FOX News has been falling all over themselves doing just that. nt

[rodeodance]

24. I fear for America. There is such hate being spewed out. Obama can stop it but

I fear he will not.

[hfojvt]

26. "Hillary gets blamed for every negative thing that is uncovered about Obama"

No, Hillary gets blamed for milking it. She milked the "bitter" remarks. She milked Pastorgate. She milked neighborgate. She said she was honored to stand by him and then shouted that he was dishonest.

She's got Evan Bayh, the governors of Pennyslvania and Ohio to stand up for her. Who else does she need? CBS and NBC have done fluff pieces on her candidacy. Is that not enough? Does every knee need to bow and every tongue confess?

[OzarkDem]

28. Obama's campaign defies logic

Most of his accusations against Clinton are baseless smears. Yet the news media gives him a pass.

His affinity for lying is a problem. Like Bush, the more he gets away with it, the more he does it.

[Usrename]

29. What about KKKarl Rove and Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh?

They are defending the Clintons, aren't they? What more do you want?

sheez!

[newmajority]

30. Fuck the DLC and fuck anyone who defends the DLC

they are history.

[TahitiNut]

41. Anybody tracking the DLC superdelegate endorsements?

I have to think that'd be a very interesting analysis.

[EndElectoral]

31. Pardongate!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy

Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. Weather Underground members, they were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges.<17><18>

Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. Emails uncovered during the course of the investigation revealed that her final donation was provided a year before Scooter Libby requested that she approach Clinton for a pardon. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.<19>

And she has the audacity to criticize Obama's association with Ayers?

And HRC said you must defend family, but you can always change pastors. Well HRC, you can always change friends too.

I'm sorry the woman is a hypocrite.

[anonymous171]

32. Turn on the TV. They've switched targets.

[Aussie leftie]

33. k & r

[emilyg]

34. No flames from me.

[doc03]

38. No flames from me, I totally agree and very well said. n/t

[BenDavid]

40. well, this may help ya. today howard dean said the following,

"super delegates do have the right to overthrow the popular vote and elect the best candidate to go up against John McCain."

Shalom,
Ben David

[otohara]

42. Keep Pushing That Dean Quote

will you ever post the whole thing?

[SwampG8r]

43. midget hater

"It blows my mind how little people can think for themselves"
why do you think that lttle people shouldnt be able to think for themselves?
this statement alone has cost hillary the midget vote bub

[maximusveritas]

45. So Bill admitted he made those remarks?

I thought he was still denying it.

There's a reason the black vote shifted dramatically toward Obama in that primary and hasn't wavered since. So if you've failed to see all the examples of the Clinton campaign playing the race card before South Carolina, then you either weren't paying attention, are horribly naive, or full of shite.

[jasmine621]

46. What happened before SC was tagged "the race card" by the media first

and then the Obama supporters jumped on that bandwagon because they saw it could work to their benefit and cause an irreversible schism between the Clintons and the African American community nation-wide. Many black public officials said at the time of Bill's Jesse Jackson comments that they did not feel it was a racist statement or playing the race card. Even Jesse Jackson senior said it when interviewed on the cable networks. Those labels became adopted as truth once they were repeated over and over again. AND Obama did nothing but add to the divisive nature and mischaracterization.