After what the Clintons have done in this campaign, I am ashamed that I defended him about lying

[still_one]

under oath when he had sexual relations with an intern

They have said Obama is not patriotic enough

They have said that hillary and mccain are qualified to be president, but Obama isn't

They have implied because of Obama's associations he "might" be anti-Jewish

They have implied because of Obama's associations he "might" be anti-white

They have questioned whether Obama is a Muslum or not

However, there is one thing I have NO questions about, and that is what the Clinton's are.

I am nobody, but they destroyed any illusion I had about them. When I see them on the television, I either turn of the TV, or change channels. It is a very similar reaction I have to when I see george bush

[Bigleaf]

1. What intern?

[PBS Poll-435]

61. Wow....

A Democrat bringing up old, really *stale* material.

Unique! +1

[LakeSamish706]

2. That was a good post and many of us Obama supporters feel exactly the same. n/t

[still_one]

10. When Obama said if intelligence located bin laden in Pakistan, he would make a targeted strike

they jumped on him as though it was the most irresponsible action he could do, but when clinton says she would have no issue NUKING Iran, no one even blinks an eye

Obama has more intelligence and compassion in his little finger, than she has in her whole body

[ccharles000]

3. Hillary is a lovely person.

[LakeSamish706]

4. Says who? She actually is a despicable troll.. n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

15. despicable troll is too good of a word for her.

n/t

[ccharles000]

18. I am saying that she is lovely.

[Carolina]

29. NOT! Lovely is as lovely does and she has

shown herself to be anything but lovely, then and especially NOW.

[movonne]

44. This really hurts me inside to see what they have become...I loved

bill and liked hillary but with every day that goes by I dislike them more and more..

[LakeSamish706]

34. Beauty and or ugly is in the eye of the beholder but I do not see any beauty ....

in that beast and the ugly is clean through as well.

[ccharles000]

39. We will have to agree to disagree.

[guyanakoolaid]

12. I wonder if they ever look at those old photos and feel guilty about losing that idealism

Probably not.

[GoesTo11]

49. You just posted this with same words on the Silly Hilly thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5690578

Filling up threads w/junk.

Not to mention, the fact that you like how she looked in a 40 year old photo doesn't say much about her inner character. What exactly is it about her that you find to be lovely? The push-polling? The shaming? The tears?

[anigbrowl]

59. 'She's not as bad as you think' - Hillary Clinton

Haverford College, PA 4/17:
(In answer to a question from a volunteer about what to say to undecided voters)
"Well, I think, just knock on the door and say 'She's really nice,' or you could say it another way, 'She's not as bad as you think'."

Whew! Thanks for clearing that up :-)

[blm]

68. Long ago. Then Jackson Stephens changed all that in Arkansas, didn't he?

.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. Right there with ya!

The Richard Mellon Scaife thing pretty much clinched it for me, on a personal level. The way she blithely sought out and accepted his endorsement, and then laughing about it on Keith Olbermann, almost made me choke on my own bile. I was one of many people who defended them from Scaife's VRWC machine attacks and now I feel like the joke was always on me. :(

[still_one]

13. I guess this long primary actually turned out to be a good thing for me

or I would have continued to believe the fraud about the Clintons

[guyanakoolaid]

6. Well put.

Even though we'll all always know the massive political and media witch hunt were completely over the top, I think a lot of us smiled when Clinton got away with it. Maybe because the story was so unnecessarily pervasive, we excused the lying and crime as well in our minds. And what sickens me is the thought that this is probably analogous to the way many Republicans feel about Bush & Co.

I have become much more open-minded since then and the Iraq invasion. Whether us or them, crimes must never be excused.

[still_one]

41. I guess that is where I have come to also. Nixon should NEVER have been pardoned

and in fairness Clinton was somewhat punished for committing perjury, because he was disbarred

[MethuenProgressive]

7. Please provide the quotes you draw your accusations from.

Obama's run his Swiftboat over you more than once.

[still_one]

16. Do your own search. From various debates, to her commercial

where she said she and mccain were qualified to be president, but Obama wasn't, to a 60 minutes interview where she was so kind to say something to the effect, "...I will take him at his word if he says he isn't a Muslim"

I have had it with the Clinton legacy, and the fraud about him being the first black president. If they were going to award that to anyone white President, it should be Johnson

[rodeodance]

22. you got nothing but blanks and hate holding you together.

[still_one]

37. No, they earned it in the last 11 months. No one forced them to behave that way

What they did was open my eyes

[MethuenProgressive]

42. Well, open our eye. Show us the quotes.

You can? Or you can't.

[guyanakoolaid]

60. Says the supporter of a campaign with a blank bank account and hateful rhetoric

[MethuenProgressive]

28. You admit you can't. You have no idea where you got those silly notions.

Swiftboat victim.

[still_one]

38. No, if you don't recall the 60 minutes, her commercial, or any of the other shit

it isn't my problem

I guess it is the same as those virtual sniper bullets

[MethuenProgressive]

40. You entertian delusions and yet "it isn't my problem" is all you care?

Who told you those things? And why do you think they want you to believe them?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. We should team together with free republic and go after them w/pitchforks!

They are evil evil people....


;)

[still_one]

19. No one forced them to behave as they do. I don't want anymore bushs

or clintons in the white house

you have every right to disagree

[Catherina]

25. I'd rather stick to the Dem plan of going after them wtih true facts

but it's encouraging to see a Hillary supporter admit they're evil people.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. It was fun to be part of the "in crowd" for a while.....

Now I'm back to being one of the hated demonic Hillbots...

[ShortnFiery]

9. We'd be enjoying President Gore now if Bill Clinton had the INTEGRITY to resign the Presidency.

Yes, I unfailingly defended "The Clintons" behaviors to my right wing family and friends ... however, when the news about Monica Lewinsky, I thought 100% that he would resign. When he didn't resign, I continued to defend him but I was embarrassed of his behavior. With Bill Clinton's record of serial adultery, I wonder even today if he's had "psychological counseling" because his affairs may underlie a Sexual Addiction.

People LOSE their Security Clearances for adultery. Why? Because they can be blackmailed. :scared:

I feel betrayed by both Clintons. I wish they would mercifully fade off the national political stage.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. Yes- they need to add "getting blow-jobs in the oval office" to impeachable offenses.

n/t

[still_one]

21. If clinton attacked Obama on experience between just herself and him

that would have been fine, but when she said she and mccain were qualified, but he was not, that told me everything about HER

[rwheeler31]

11. They were attacked, we defended.

We will defend truth and fairness. The alternative is so ugly.

[still_one]

23. That is true, however, when she said she and mccain were qualified to be president

be Obama wasn't, what kind of remark is that?

[BlueIdaho]

17. Not only defended him

But got in fights defending him. Now I'm sorry I wasted my time - he wasn't worth it after all.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. I wish I would have voted for old man Bush.... The Clintons were the same thing.

n/t

[still_one]

27. There is no way I would have voted for the bushes, including the old man

but if I knew then what I know now about the Clintons, I probably would not have voted

[yourout]

31. While I am no fan of the Clintons.......old man Bush is way worse.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

43. kidding - just having a bit of Colbertian fun....

Wanted to see if anyone would take it that far. Luckily no-one is crazy enough here to go along with it - phew!

[Carolina]

24. Exactly!

I couldn't agree more with: "they destroyed any illusion I had about them. When I see them on television, I either turn off the TV or change channels ... reaction I have when I see GWB."

Now, I am really angry at myself for all the time I spent arguing with others in my efforts to defend them back in the 90s. What a waste.

[still_one]

35. That is the way I feel. They have behaved in a disgraceful way /nt

[northzax]

26. aw, did a little political campaigning hurt your feelings?

I suggest hiding in a hole until November (or 2012 if obama wins) cause this ain't nothing. This is just good clean fun compared to the shit storm you're gonna see soon enough. You're in for some real fun.

And, by the way, I find the pure hypocrisy of 'implying' that your opponent is corrupt when you gave a million dollar earmark to your wife's employer the year she got a 100k promotion to be just as rich. Don't you?

[still_one]

32. Good clean fun, bull. She and mccain ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT

everything the "maverick" said, he has reversed his position on

sounds a lot like her

[BlueIdaho]

36. Wrong.

Watching a former two term Democratic President that many of us deeply respected spend his "historic capital" turning himself into the worst kind of political hack is beyond disappointing. I expect this from republicans - it never dawned on me to expect it from Bill Clinton. Next time I'll know better.

[Catherina]

30. Me too. I'm so sick of their pathological dramas and egos that think they're more important

than the welfare of our nation.

[still_one]

33. This is a fight for the soul of the Democratic party in my view

Do we want a change, or do we want the same old people in different clothes

[Capt. America]

45. Exactly!

How is this line up of corporatists good for America...Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Clinton II? It is way past time for real change. I do not want an oligarchy.

[Catherina]

48. I think America's answer is loud and clear. CHANGE

It doesn't matter how good Hillary's $3000 a job make-up artist is, it's not gonna work. The change needs to be a little more than 3mm of cosmetics.

[zulchzulu]

46. Remember never to write a paper in kindergarten that you want to be President one day

It will come back to haunt you..if there is a Clinton involved.

[StevieM]

55. That was a response to his attacking her and saying that she was all about power and had wanted to

be president since she was seven.

Steve

[pompano]

47. Yep.

Ashamed?...hell... try embarrassed, beyond belief.

I, for one, will never forget the many times I stood up in front of my friends and collegues and defended the Clintons against the vast Right Wing Religious Republicans here in the Bible Belt.

Then watch what her and her husband tried to do to another Democrat and worse yet her shameless ability to curry favor with any Republican that could or might help her with an election...how could one even come up with a word to explain selfish self-centered actions like this? Shameless is even too diluted of a word to begin with...but, It'll have to work.

When Will Rogers said “I never met a man I didn't like”...I know one he had never met yet.

[GoesTo11]

50. Building bridges

I have told right wing acquaintances that I was wrong and they were right about the Clintons' willingness to do or say anything if it benefits them. This has had the upside that they no longer think I'm just a shill and they listen to me more. No conversions yet, but conversations at least.

[Joey Liberal]

51. I'm fed up with the Clinton's

I defended Bill Clinton for so long. Now the Clinton campaign looks like something out of the Karl Rove playbook. Fuck them.

[guruoo]

52. ROFL! You wouldn't even qualify to carry Clinton's briefcase!

[otohara]

57. Why's That?

and how did you come to this conclusion?

[Eurobabe]

53. Who are the Clintons?

I will never defend these people again. They don't exist to me anymore.

[StevieM]

54. All of those accusation about Hillary implying things about Obama are false. It is Barack who

has slandered a wonderful person. And those accusations were simply part of his unfair attacks on her.

Steve

[pompano]

66. "John and I....

...bring a lifetime of experience to the table, Obama, well he made a speech in 02"

Something to that effect jars my memory? Something along those very lines if IIRC?

Heck, maybe you are right. Perhaps I just hear things? :shrug:

And do spare me the Obama remarks about Reagan. They are not even similar. Obama didn't jibe another Democratic candidate in an attempt to play both ends against the middle to jumpstart a dismal/gutter campaign that he was loosing then and will loose now. Ha, she showed us all that day what she thought about Party unity and it was ugly, fckuing ugly.

[rufus dog]

56. I stood in the election booth for five minutes

in 96 staring at his name. Went down there at 7:00 P.M. after trying to psych myself up. Just couldn't vote for him. Not after his actions after the 94 elections. Actually felt bad about it when the repukes went after him and I did defend him. Now I feel like you, why defend them. They are who they are and I despise them.

[XemaSab]

71. I voted for Nader in '96

I was in California, and I knew Clinton would carry the state. I just was sick of his corporatist mentality.

That was my first presidential election.

[loyalsister]

62. 10 years ago......

at my 10th HS reunion, I spent half the night defending him. The Starr report had just come out.

Now 10 years later I have another one back. Wondering if I should even go back. :blush:

It's in Oct. and the election will be well under way. I guess it depends on who our nominee is.

:think:

[pompano]

67. I just went ahead....

and threw the sponge in. I said I was wrong to ever defend the likes of those two. You would be surprised at the reaction I got down here from the Republicans in the Bible Belt. Most just say something along the lines of "Yea, Her and Him had alot of us fooled for many years." Instead of "I told you so...I told you so"

Then the Tuzla "whopper" hit the news. That was a chalky pill to swallow. I didn't even want to leave the house for about a week. :rofl: I, even had no idea how to spin that quantum leap from reality she thought people other than her lemmings would buy.

I thought I might tell everyone I had bumped my head on something just prior to voting the Clintons in for round two? Unlike Hilly, I don't have a knack or gift for telling bald faced lies, I would have been cold busted by the truth police. Believe that! After the media fallout from the Tuzla confabulation bonanza...looks like she is loosing that magic touch herself, no? :headbang:

[loyalsister]

72. I have doubt that she ever had it

That whole "deny deny deny" thing is not something that she has been as comfortable with as Bill. Apparently, he had to get away with lying to a lot of people including her for a long time, while she actually only had to use spin.
Having been in the Senate, she has learned to operate with dishonest spin, but outright lies are not her forte.
Poor thing thought she learned it all from the master.

I think I'll take your advice. Fortunately, none of my right wing family has started. They have their own embarrassment to deal with. I can empathize.

[Raine]

63. Same here

I lost friends and alienated family by defending him now I wish I never had. The bad things people said about the Clintons was true. I wish I had known then what I know now...that they're manipulative liars.

[JI7]

64. the entire party defended them in a way no other democrat has been defended

and yet they easily turn on those who have. Rev Wright was one of those who showed support during the Lewinsky thing. after i read about that it made their attacks on Wright even worse.

i was such a huge defender of theirs back then. even into 2004 when people told me they had no intention of wanting Kerry to win. and i am a huge supporter of Kerry. but i defended them also.

even into this campaign i mostly defended them. i think it was when Hillary said McCain was prepared but not Obama when i really started to face what they are about. i probably knew all along but was ashamed to admit it because of my own defense of them.

[barack the house]

65. I can understand your sentiments well. I'm like cringe.

[bigtree]

69. you've spun those things you listed. Your outrage is transparently political.

None of those things you listed are true.

[DeschutesRiver]

70. I agree

When all is said and done, I wouldn't associate myself or my family with someone who behaved as I have seen Hillary do in real life. Give her a different name, and describe her statements and behavior, and I would say "disgusting person".