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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:05 AM
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Anyone else want to move to Chicago?
Watching Jeremiah Wright on Bill Moyers. I want to move to Chicago and join his church. Talk about speaking truth to power!

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:06 AM
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1. hell no. it's too damn cold there. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:00 AM
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27. Yep.. the Hawk will Get ya.. I once tried to walk from the old Ambassador Hotel
to the Randolph Street Station in DECEMBER.. I thought I was gonna DIE.. I ended up hailing a cab.. he could have charged me $100 and I would have paid it gladly :)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:06 AM
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2. Nobody can get me to believe in organized religion, not even Jesus Christ himself coming to my room.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:08 AM
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5. Ha...well you'd be out of luck anyhow, Wright retired methinks.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:14 AM
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8. I don't go to church
But I would go to Wright's church. In a heartbeat.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:21 AM
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12. Well, and I'm a Jeeeew
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:36 AM
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15. A Jew with Jesus in their sig pic?
Don't they kick you out for that?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:37 AM
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17. I'm sure they frown upon it.
lol
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:34 AM
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14. i agree with you.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 12:34 AM by sweets
:toast:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:08 AM
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3. I'm watching Moyers now. Chicago is too cold like Sweets said but
I want to find a Trinity Church!
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:13 AM
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7. You should do it! I live in Boston, we definitely have some truth to power churches. I also saw an
Obama-related club that is trying to get people to organize visits to local churches, getting to know your neighbor type stuff. In response to the whole notion that the most segregated hour in American life is Sunday morning.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:15 AM
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9. I guess I should look locally first
My family might want me to stay here. LOL
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:08 AM
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4. I want to move to Chicago.
I don't do supernatural powers though....
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:09 AM
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6. Chicago's a damned interesting city. It's the wheat-stackinest, hog-
butcherinest town in the whole midwest.

I'm not hogwild about the current mayor there, but by god he holds a Democratic Party in Cook County together, including some very disparate constituencies.

I like Roger Ebert's writing on film.

I like the Unabridged bookshop on Broadway.

And a whole pile of other good stuff as well.

Great town.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:18 AM
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10. You may not need to move.
I am certain there are plenty of lively reverends in your town that preach the same way as Rev. Wright.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:19 AM
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11. I do, i heard its beautiful there. i'm in boston, and i've always wanted to live there.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:28 AM
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13. Oh my We had a great museum week.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:36 AM
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16. I thought that he retired (nt)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:37 AM
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18. After seeing all the positive reviews here,
I'm looking forward to seeing it. As with most Americans, ALL I know about the man are the excerpts that have been highlighted in an effort to smear Obama.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:41 AM
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19. After watching the complete sermons, I felt the same way
I hope I can catch the Moyers show!

Alls I know is that if I lived in Chicago that's where I'd wanna go.

David
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:42 AM
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20. I would move there in a heartbeat
and if I win the Powerball tomorrow night, it could happen! I don't know if I would join the church, I tend to be more the UUC type, but I would certainly visit!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:48 AM
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23. I would love to visit the church or hear Rev. Wright speak
at other churches.

Rev. Wright became a national star with the interview IMO.

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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:44 AM
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21. He retired from that church recently
Not sure where he went, but I think I read that he left Chicago.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:47 AM
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22. Hell no!!
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 12:50 AM by Breeze54
Been there, done that and escaped in 1978! And I don't 'do' church although
I'm really glad that Bill Moyers showed the WHOLE sermon by Rev. Wright!

It's about frigging time the whole sermon was shown in context!

I especially liked this part:

TRANSCRIPT: April 25, 2008

BILL MOYERS: Welcome to the JOURNAL.

Barack Obama's pastor was in the news again this week. North Carolina Republicans are preparing to run an ad tying Obama to some controversial sound bites lifted from Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons. And CBS and MSNBC led their broadcasts with reports about the ad.

DEAN REYNOLDS: In North Carolina the Republicans put their ad on the internet and say they're going to broadcast it as well.

KEITH OLBERMANN: Republican hit job the North Carolina GOP plans a Willie Horton style TV ad against Obama.

BILL MOYERS: Jeremiah Wright will be in Washington Monday for a news conference at the National Press Club -- his first since the controversy erupted over those incendiary sound bites. You've heard them; who hasn't heard them: Wright suggesting the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were payback for American policy; Wright repeating the canard heard often in black communities that the u.s. government spread HIV in those communities; Wright seemingly calling on God to damn America.

But just who is this man? That's the question I asked when those sound bites began popping up. I'd heard the name Jeremiah Wright -- his church in Chicago belongs to the fellowship of the United Church of Christ. I joined a UCC church on Long Island 40 years ago and attend Riverside Church in New York City, which is affiliated with American Baptists and the UCC. But I couldn't remember ever having met Reverend Wright. So I wanted to know more about the man, the ministry, and the church.


Continued below...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/transcript1.html

BILL MOYERS: One of the most controversial sermons that you preach is the sermon you preach that ended up being that sound bite about Goddamn America.

REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT: Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change. And I'm through now. But let me leave you with one more thing. Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontius Pilate - the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from East to West. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonized Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no. Not God bless America; God damn America! That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!

BILL MOYERS: What did you mean when you said that?

REVEREND WRIGHT: When you start confusing God and government, your allegiances to government -a particular government and not to God, that you're in serious trouble because governments fail people. And governments change. And governments lie. And those three points of the sermon. And that is the context in which I was illustrating how the governments biblically and the governments since biblical times, up to our time, changed, how they failed, and how they lie. And when we start talking about my government right or wrong, I don't think that goes. That is consistent with what the will of God says or the word of God says that governments don't say right or wrong. That governments that wanna kill innocents are not consistent with the will of God. And that you are made in the image of God, you're not made in the image of any particular government. We have the freedom here in this country to talk about that publicly, whereas some other places, you're dead if say the wrong thing about your government.

BILL MOYERS: Well, you can be almost crucified for saying what you've said here in this country.

REVEREND WRIGHT: That's true. That's true. But you can be crucified, you can be crucified publicly, you can be crucified by corporate-owned media. But I mean, what I just meant was, you can be killed in other countries by the government for saying that. Dr. King, of course, was vilified. And most of us forget that after he was assassinated, but the year before he was assassinated, April 4th, 1967 at the Riverside Church, he talked about racism, militarism and capitalism. He became vilified. He got ostracized not only by the majority of Americans in the press; he got vilified by his own community. They thought he had overstepped his bounds. He was no longer talking about civil rights and being able to sit down at lunch counters that he should not talk about things like the war in Vietnam. He preached--

BILL MOYERS: Lyndon Johnson was furious at that. As you know-

REVEREND WRIGHT: I'm sure he was.

BILL MOYERS: That's where they broke.

REVEREND WRIGHT: And that's where a lot of the African-American community broke with him, too. He was vilified by Roger Wilkins' daddy, Roy Wilkins. Jackie Robinson. He was vilified by all of the Negro leaders who felt he'd overstepped his bounds talking about an unjust war. And that part of King is not lifted up every year on January 15th. 1963, "I have a dream," was lifted up, and passages from that - sound bites if you will - from that march on Washington speech. But the King who preached the end of- "I've been to the mountaintop, I've looked over and I've seen the Promised Land, I might not get there with you,"- that part of the speech is talked about, not the fact that he was in Memphis siding with garbage collectors. Nothing about Resurrection City, nothing about the poor--

BILL MOYERS: Resurrection City was the march in Washington for the poor.

REVEREND WRIGHT: For the poor. That part of King is not talked about because we want to keep that away from the public eye, and the public memory, and it's been 40 years now.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:50 AM
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24. eeeekkk no! I'm a transplanted masshole now living in California, no way am i tough
enough to survive those awful winters again.

Great interview though, i'm watching the end of it now and i think it was fair and he seemed to cover everything.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:53 AM
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25. Isn't he a GREAT man.
I feel so privileged to have heard him!

Hear his sermons here

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO

http://www.tucc.org


K and R
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:53 AM
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26. No thanks - moved from there not too long ago. Winter's there are wicked.
There's quite a bit of racism there also. Don't be fooled by the fact that Wright was the leader of a church there. I would bet there were next to no white people in the church - although they would probably be welcome there.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:13 AM
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28. No shit. I love that old Jarhead*


*Jarhead - a term of affectionate derision one would call marines when getting drunk in order to instigate fisticuffs.



I don't even GO to church and I'd go to his.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:19 AM
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29. The man is nothing short of amazing. Such a truly wise man.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 02:12 AM
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30. I like visiting
Last time I was there, I walked from "downtown?" - not sure. I was just staying in a Motel 6 that was actually a hotel for one night before heading south to share a hotel room with a friend for a convention... anyway, I started northeast of the Sears Tower, walked through a park with a big fountain, found the Field Museum, spent 3 hours in there, then walked to the Sears Tower, took the tour then somehow found my way back to my motel, stopping for a Chicago dog along the way.

Best time I ever spent in Chicago going to that convention three times every other year or so because I finally go to see some of it.

TlalocW
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 02:18 AM
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31. You know the church streams their sunday sermons on their website.
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm The link for the Live stream is in the middle of the page.

:)

Just saying, in case you can't afford to move in this economy. :hi:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 02:25 AM
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32. Why thank you so much!
Now I not only don't have to move, I don't even have to take my pajamas off on Sunday morning.
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 02:27 AM
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33. Which is always a plus.
Jammies rule! :woohoo:

:toast:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 02:35 AM
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34. It's a toddlin' town.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 02:51 AM
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35. If I was a church goer
I would go to his! :thumbsup:
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