Howard Dean must know something is in the wind, because today

[BenDavid]

he made the following statement: "super delegates do have the right to overthrow the popular vote and elect the best candidate to go up against John McCain."

I reckon it looks as though HRC will make a play for those super delegates when she goes ahead and wins 6 to 7 more of the states.

Shalom
Ben David

[anonymous171]

1. That is actually bad

because Hillary is claiming that she's winning the popular vote. It's her last argument.

[Genevieve]

2. obviously! .nt

[movonne]

3. We have got the point ...3rd posting...

[Moochy]

22. 3 Posts a Day Thats All We Ask! oh and $5

That clanking you hear is her mechanical supporters going through the motions, while she is merely hoping to defray the debt.

[Ron Green]

4. There is the smell of horseshit in the wind, but I'm not sure Dean is focused on that.

[cliffordu]

5. And she ain't going to win those states...Lotta people mad at her....

disgusted, even....

[saltpoint]

6. As the sand slips through the hourglass of the 2008 nomination for Sen.

Clinton, she finds herself trailing in delegates, failing to persuade super-delegates, and stinking up the joint with her gutter-level political tactics.

Also she's flat broke. In debt, in fact.

The longer she remains in the race the more clear it becomes that she's trying to trash Obama to position herself for a run in 2012, for which she will definitely NOT have my support.

[gateley]

8. OC! I get that reference!!

:hi: and :hug:

[saltpoint]

9. Hey there gately. Awful good to run into you tonight.

Here's a big hug right back, dammit. :hug:

[newmajority]

10. Whew.... for a second there, I thought you were quoting Days of Our Lives

And were about to tell us that Hillary was secretly working with Stefano DiMera to manipulate the superdelegates. :scared:

[saltpoint]

11. LOL! She's working with Richard Mellon Scaife and Rupert Murdock to

subvert the Democratic Party, is what it looks like to me.

Also it sure has been quiet from Geraldine Ferraro's office of late. They sent a team over there to titrate her Lamictal so fast it would make yur head spin.

[newmajority]

12. Yeah, those guys are worse than the DiMeras

Hell, they might even be worse than the Sopranos. (Which I've never seen - HBO deprived)

[saltpoint]

13. LOL!

[cliffordu]

21. Now now, let's not be too hard on those of us on "The Lam"

:rofl:

[gateley]

7. Shalom. nt

[madfloridian]

14. Full quote from today.....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d03a310-12f7-11dd-8d91-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

""However, he added that it was highly unlikely that the superdelegates – of whom roughly 300 out of 800 remain undecided – would go against whichever candidate was ahead on the popular vote and among pledged delegates in practice. “I think it is very unlikely – I have never seen it happen. In fact it has never happened. But it is possible and they have every right to do it."

He has to quote the rules and leave it to others to speculate.

[Political Heretic]

20. He's corrected described the party rules. But I think the rules need to be changed in the future.

I would like to see this be a discussion for the future. I do not believe that the philosophy behind super delegates actually works appropriately in practice.

[Cassandra]

39. I think the original point behind having SDs...

was that if the popular candidate, selected early in the primary season, turned out to have some thoroughly unacceptable scandal in his/her past or present that precluded winning the WH, then the SDs would be able to legally pick a more acceptable candidate. I think the people that dreamed up that rule assumed that in those circumstances, the Democratic electorate would be relieved rather than angry.

[judasdisney]

27. Wow -- so Ben David didn't give us the full info

[Umbram]

51. I would have said "is a manipulative hack" but you said it nicer. (nt)

[L0oniX]

52. Wow ...then I won't feel too bad about putting him my ignore dungeon.

:evilgrin:

[peoli]

46. Full quotes always make me feel better. Thanks.

[liberaltrucker]

15. A golden key to the WH for McSame

:puke:

[RainDog]

17. the OP misunderstood

Dean said this when the superdelegates met with Hillary. as noted above, her last argument is "popular vote." The superdelegates in DC said today that Hillary would not be the nominee because her negatives are so high she would rally the republican base... and endanger democratic seats in house and senate campaigns.

this is a one-two punch to say that she needs to accept that the campaign is over.

[napi21]

16. You're reading more into his statement that you should.

His statement was correct according to the Dem Party rules. PERIOD! That doesn't mean he knows anything that you or I don't. Howard has asked for the SDs to make their decision soon after the last primary votes are cast on June 3rd, and I agree with that. I can understand why some delegates want to wait to see how their district votes. After all, many of them are on the ballot too. I really believe the SDs will mostly vote the way their district did UNLESS some crazy thing (like an Elliott Spitzer scandal) happens before then. That's really the reason the SD rule was put there...to prevent a disaster.

[still_one]

18. Are the super delegates going to go for a pathalogical liar?

one that says she and mccain are qualified to be president, but not Obama

One whose campaign has helped propogate the Obama is a Muslum myth

One whose campaign has implied Obama wasn't patriotic enough

One who says Obama is outrageous when he said he would make a pinpoint attack in Pakistan, if intelligence indicated bin laden was at a specific location, but hardly blinks an eye saying she would not hesitate to NUKE Iran if they attacked Israel. Why nukes? hmmmmmm. Conventional weapons don't kill enough people for her

[datopbanana]

19. Ben. Dude. This is BAD for HRC. He is basically saying pop. doesn't matter. It would have been...

good for HRC if he said overturn pledged delegates....

pop vote is HRC's only argument at this point.

[bridgit]

23. Shalom

:)

[JackORoses]

24. Hillary Clinton will never be President

She has blown her chance.
Now she is only destroying the last remnants of her tattered reputation.

Shalom. ;)

[PBS Poll-435]

25. Be'hatzlacha

:hi:

[JackORoses]

31. In supporting Hillary Clinton, you have succumbed to your Yetzer Ha Ra

I pray for your Soul.

[PBS Poll-435]

33. So God wants Obama to be President?

(Like Bush supporters believed about Bush?)

[JackORoses]

34. who knows what God wants?

but the majority of Democrats in this Country want Obama.

He is appealing to the best in each of us,
as opposed to Hillary, who is appealing to the fearful, accusatory side of Humanity.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. Yeah...

You can tell by his supporters/fans/worshipers on DU, he CERTAINLY is

He is appealing to the best in each of us,...


Is this ---> :sarcasm: really even neccessary?

[bluetrain]

36. I had the same reaction. /nt

[PBS Poll-435]

40. Well...Since I have been here a lot longer than you,

You will have to trust in my wisdom.

:rofl::rofl:

:P

[bluetrain]

42. You're the "older" twin.

[SwampG8r]

53. owie

that one hurt me and im way over here

[cali]

26. bzzzzt. dream on hilldroid

hilly is done, and you left out the part of Dean's statement where he says that the SDs will likely go for the candidate with the most pledged delegates and the popular vote. that would not be hilly. Dean is being the fair referee he's been all through this process.

[Clintonista2]

38. Hi cali

[guruoo]

28. He's right, they can vote any way they want to.

That's the system. If you don't like it, change it.

[whirlygigspin]

29. that's right

they can vote for anyone

so I say: screw em all, vote Biden at the convention for a unity ticket

[guruoo]

30. Yeah, Biden's da man!

[SwampG8r]

54. damn joe nice ride

[Bensthename]

32. Don't look too deep into that statement

He was just saying they can vote however.. He did not act as if he knew something was about to happen..

[WeDidIt]

37. They certainly have the right to do that

Most likely, the Super Delegates will side overwhelmingly with whomsoever wins the most pledged delegates because, as Wolson said himself, this contest is about delegates.

[undeterred]

41. I thought you were going to stop taking drugs.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

43. actually, no

Hillary is not what he meant

[whatchamacallit]

44. All that's blowing in the wind is the stench of Hillary's political corpse.

:eyes:

[GoldieAZ49]

45. and they can change their mind right up to the time of their vote, at the convention

We will have a nominee in August

[bvar22]

47. And that nominee will be the man with the most pledged delegates.

There is NO WAY the SDs are going to tell Obama he has to move to the back of the bus and give Hillary the seat he won fair and square....

Not. This. Time.

[GoldieAZ49]

50. or not

:hi:

The are not beholden to anyone

[Seabiscuit]

57. Two huge fallacies:

1. "give Hillary the seat he won fair and square". Obama hasn't won any seat, and *can't* win the nomination based on either the popular vote count or the pledged delegate count. Because it's impossible for him to obtain 2025 pledged delegates by the end of the primary season in June. No one can take away from him something he doesn't have.

2. "There is NO WAY the SDs are going to tell Obama he has to move to the back of the bus". Disgusting racial barb. But more importantly, you apparently still don't know or refuse to acknowledge the FACT that since neither candidate can win the 2025 pledged delegates to clinch the nomination, the SDs are not bound by any numbers (they're already very close and will likely be even closer by August) when deciding which candidate has the best chance in their judgment to beat McCain. The numbers, whatever they are by then, are only one small factor among many they will be considering when the Convention arrives.

Since Obmanoids don't want to play by the rules they prefer to pretend they don't exist. It's a form of self-delusion born of arrogance.

[New Dawn]

48. And considering that Clinton is the worst candidate, rather than the best...

You have nothing to be excited about.

[JoFerret]

49. Overthrow the popular vote?

Oh THAT will go down really well.

[annie1]

55. do you have a link to where he said that? thanks.

i hope he added "and have the right to overthrow pledged dels in favor of pop vote". he and pelosi have worked my last nerve. i'm definitely going to unregister as a democrat.

[Seabiscuit]

56. "HRC will make a play for those super delegates"???

"Will"???

Both candidates have been making plays for the super delegates since this thing began, and will continue to do so right through the Convention.