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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:51 AM
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“all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her,"
”The Obama converts include William Louis-Dreyfus. The billionaire New York financier said he had been impressed by Clinton's performance in the Senate and distressed by eight years of the Bush administration when he donated the maximum to her campaign last August. Then, he said, he began watching more closely.”

"However much one might have supported the Clintons, or one might support the usual suspects in the Democratic Party, I began to believe Obama represents a new approach. He gives off such a sense of relevance that he's sort of irresistible," Louis-Dreyfus said.

He also expressed, as did other big givers who crossed to Obama, exasperation about the tone of the Clinton campaign and frustration with the candidate herself.

"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042503707_2.html?hpid=topnews



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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:54 AM
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1. 70 HC Supporters/Donors Have Now Written Checks To Obama
As detailed in the article linked above.

"I think she is destroying the Democratic Party," said New York lawyer Daniel Berger, who had backed Clinton with the maximum allowable donation of $2,300. "That there's no way for her to win this election except by destroying , I just don't like it. So in my own little way, I'm trying to send her a message."cont…

“Donors are not the only ones who have made the leap. Gabriel Guerra-Mondragón served as an ambassador to Chile during Bill Clinton's presidency, considered himself a close friend of Sen. Clinton, and became a "Hill-raiser" by bringing in about $500,000 for her presidential bid.

But he had a fitful few weeks as the battle between Clinton and Obama turned increasingly negative. Last week, he decided he had seen enough.”

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:51 AM
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13. When she was fired from the Watergate committee for lying
Jerry Zeifman, who supervised a much younger Hillary Clinton when she worked as a staffer for the Watergate committee:

'A lifelong Democrat, Mr. Zeifman supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.'

Why?

"Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.'

Mr. Zeifman also had this to say about a Hillary campaign rally in Connecticut in early February of this year:

'I have just seen Hillary Clinton and her former Yale law professor both in tears at a campaign rally here in my home state of Connecticut. Her tearful professor said how proud he was that his former student was likely to become our next President. Hillary responded in tears.'

'My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations.'


http://www.northstarwriters.com/dc163.htm
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:52 AM
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14. Forgot to nominate
nominated
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:30 AM
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19. I wasn't sure what to make of this...
but here's something from 1996

Hillary Clinton created climate she now decries - she was part of staff of House committee during former Pres. RIchard M. Nixon's impeachment considerations - Column
Insight on the News, July 15, 1996 by Mark R. Levin
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n26_v12/ai_18469254

A few weeks ago, the only first lady to testify before a grand jury, Hillary Rodham Clinton, was on the Larry King Show lamenting the criticism she and her husband have received, particularly regarding the firing of the White House Travel Office staff.

"I don't think you can get used to it," she said. "It's painful sometimes. It does upset me." She later added, "I think that what prepared me most for Washington was playing lots of sports with boys in my neighborhood growing up. I'm so used to them razzing each other and razzing me. That's why I urge girls to play competitive sports with boys at an early age."

How touching. I don't mean to "razz" Mrs. Clinton, but her trip down memory lane with King seems to have skipped a very important event in her life -- namely, her role in 1974 as a 26-year-old congressional investigator with the House Judiciary Committee. You see, Mrs. Clinton helped create the current political atmosphere she now deplores.

Jerry Zeifman, a Democrat, was the House Judiciary Committee's chief counsel when Congress was considering impeaching President Nixon. He also was young Hillary's boss. According to Zeifman's book, Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot, a few days after Nixon resigned, he learned that two of his staffers -- John Labovitz and Hillary Rodham -- had "lied intentionally to me and told me there were no drafts of proposed rules of procedure for the impeachment inquiry."
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Zeifman elaborated on the significance of this revelation ill, an interview with the New York Daily News. He said, "Suppose we were going to have the World Series next week and suddenly one of the team managers says, "We want to change the rules to two strikes and you're out.'" In other words, the Daily News reported, Hillary Rodham Clinton and her fellow staffer "drew up new impeachment protocols to replace those in existence since Jefferson's day and then denied it."
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Contrary to documentary evidence, Mrs. Clinton has denied under oath any role in the firings. She says she only raised concerns about management problems in the office. Mrs. Clinton's testimony is at odds with the evidence, and she knows better than most that she might be charged with making false statements to investigators, perjury or obstruction of justice -- all crimes. If young Hillary were the prosecutor, what would she do under these circumstances?



Charges continue to haunt Hillary Rodham Clinton - charges of suppression of information on Richard Nixon - includes letter from Charles E. Wiggins
Insight on the News, August 19, 1996 by John Elvin


Sworn testimony says Craig Livingstone, the man who obtained those confidential FBI files on top Republicans, was Mrs. Clinton's creature. The first lady denies it. Would this woman obstruct justice?

I didn't want to come right out and say 'the first lady is a liar and a felon,"' says Jerry Zeifman, a former law professor who served for more than a dozen years on the staff of the House Judiciary Committee, explaining in a lengthy interview with Insight why his book, Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot, has made less of a media splash than some of the more sensational Clinton books. Zeifman, chief counsel to the committee during impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon, now says he wishes he had come down harder on an impeachment-investigation staffer fresh out of the Yale Law School named Hillary Diane Rodham. By suppressing important documents and lying to the people she was supposed to serve, in Zeifman's opinion, Hillary behaved criminally "It is a felony to obstruct a congressional investigation," he observes.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n31_v12/ai_18568452/pg_1


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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:06 PM
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30. and all these kind of things
will come out against her in a GE if she manages to steal the nomination.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:31 PM
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28. "The reverse was NOT TRUE"
"The reverse was not true: Of those who had made large contributions to Obama last year, none wrote checks to Clinton in March."
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:50 PM
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29. A Trend?
Can we poll big donors? :evilgrin:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:58 AM
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2. Same her, and if it wasn't for the long campaign I would have remained
under the illusion that the Clinton's were actually something special

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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:59 AM
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3. K&R!
Yup, the tide is turning. It's just not turning in favor of HRC, it's getting stronger for Obama.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:02 AM
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4. whoa, that's about as damning as it gets
another high profile hill supporter defects.

k&r.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:12 AM
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5. I am disappointed by the Clintons, NT
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:12 AM
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6. Very good.
Nominated.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:32 AM
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7. If She Continues In This Vein
She will lose all, not just the nom. They are shredding their credibility and reputations, not just his.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:39 AM
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8. K & R
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:41 AM
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9. It's getting
More and more interesting.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:43 AM
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10. Beat me to it... nt.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:50 AM
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12. It Bears Repeating
:thumbsup:
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:49 AM
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11. K&R
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:54 AM
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15. SHOCKING!
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 09:55 AM by TragedyandHope
I wonder what Obama did to force Clinton to push away so many supporters? Surely, it couldn't be her own fault? :sarcasm:


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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:55 AM
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16. IMO, she is an evil monster and people are beginning to see her...
...for what she really is.

K&R..thanks for posting the article. :hi:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:00 AM
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17. There's only one thing worse than a bad actor.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 10:09 AM by formercia
It's a bad actor who doesn't know when to leave the stage.

The second worse is an actor that believes their own PR and demands top billing.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:23 AM
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18. Carl Bernstein judged her as.............

Clinton's endearing fictions

Steve Chapman
April 27, 2008
Chicago Tribune.






SNIP......>>>>>
Let's review. Clinton criticized Obama for ranking McCain No. 3 in a four-person assessment, ahead of Bush. But Clinton herself put McCain No. 2—or maybe even in a tie for No. 1—in her evaluation of the three candidates.

She thinks McCain is better than Obama and McCain is no better than Bush. Which can mean only one thing: Bush is better than Obama!

Of course that's probably not what she actually believes.

But it's a tribute to her talent for bold deceit and bizarre logic that she can attack Obama for doing something that she herself had done so recently, and more fervently.

And it brings me to my real revelation about Clinton. In the wake of her Pennsylvania victory, I pondered what it is about her that appeals to so many voters, even when she looks hopelessly out of the race. And I decided only one thing can explain it: A lot of us like our politicians to lie and fudge—the more flagrantly, the better.

Why would that be? For the same reason women enjoy hearing that their eyes are like sapphires and guys like to be told they resemble Greek gods—even when they know full well that the person talking is not being entirely candid. If a politician won't mislead you to get elected, it seems as though he or she doesn't care enough to deserve the office.

Clinton has always been willing to do just about anything to win, which apparently endears her to many voters. Biographer Carl Bernstein, who made his name uncovering President Nixon's monumental dishonesty, judged her guilty of "Jesuitical lying, evasion, and . . . stonewalling." The Bosnia sniper tale was unusual only in that her campaign actually admitted that what she said was not, uh, true.

And with Clinton, you get a double dose—one from her and one from her husband. For anyone who's forgotten his memorable performance of 1998 ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman"), he recently provided an encore. He told a radio interviewer that the Obama campaign "played the race card on me." Then, when a reporter asked him about the comment, he replied, "When did I say that and to whom did I say that?" before wagging a finger and insisting, "That's not what I said."

It was a vintage Billary performance. Say something false, then deny you said it, while blaming the person who's telling the truth. It may not be convincing, but it's mighty entertaining.

Some people are of the same mind as the rock band Monday In London, which sings, "Lie to me, baby, and I'll let you get away with it." If Hillary Clinton gets elected, they are going to have a blissful four years.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0427chapmanapr27,0,729175.column
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:30 AM
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20. Excellent Piece
"Say something false, then deny you said it, while blaming the person who's telling the truth. It may not be convincing, but it's mighty entertaining."
:crazy:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:33 AM
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22. A Must Read from the Chicago Tribune
If anyone wants to post it, its fine by me.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:15 AM
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23. I Can Hardly Believe
We are taking about a democrat
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:32 AM
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21. Her own actions and words turned me against her.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:16 AM
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24. YOU SEE! Elitists support Obama!
:rofl:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:30 PM
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25. I Most Go Now
My two mansions and private plane are calling out for me
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:30 PM
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26. I'm off to my bank in the Cayman Islands myself
I need to deposit some money in the bank I got from Middle East oilman
for my library and foundation.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:17 PM
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27. She is a LIAR and that is the anti-Hillary ad that needs to be run.
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