Rove "Bamboozling the American electorate again"

[GoldieAZ49]

I thought it strange Rove would leave the administration to work for Fox News to cover the 08 primary and GE. Now it make sense.

No longer behind the scenes, but covert none the less.

The site lists the history of the dem primary and how we got to this place, covers the reasons MI and FL had to be cast aside, and all the sideshows we have seen and indicates there are more to come.

Why are dems allowing the GOP to pick our candidate? This explains why we will certainly be going to the convention with two candidates.

Grab a cup of coffee, it is a long eye opening read.

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

Evidence of a covert campaign to undermine the presidential primaries is rife, so it's curious that the Democratic Party and even some within the G.O.P. have ignored the actual elephant in the room this year. That would be Karl Rove. Long accused of rigging the two previous presidential elections, this master of deceit would have us believe that he's gone off to sit in a corner and write op-eds.

Not so. According to an article in Time magazine last November, Republicans have been organized in several states to throw their weight behind Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic rival of Hillary Clinton. While Rove's name isn't mentioned in the story, several former fundraisers and strategists for President Bush are identified. Together, these gentlemen flushed Obama's coffers with cash early on in the race, something the deep pockets had not done for any candidate in their own party. With receipts topping $100 million in 2007, the first-term Illinois senator achieved a remarkable feat, given that most Americans only first heard of him in 2005.

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If, on the other hand, Obama wins the nomination (or even the VP spot), Rove's prospects brighten considerably. Largely unvetted by the press, the senator carries considerable baggage from his stint as a state legislator, particularly his 17-year relationship with Chicago slumlord Tony Rezko, currently on trial for fraud. Until the controversy over his pastor broke in March, most journalists had paid lip service to the particulars of Obama's past. And major media outlets continue to portray him as a fresh new face in American politics, a candidate whose speeches call to mind MLK and JFK, even Abraham Lincoln. For her part, the author of the November Time article, Jay Newton-Small, offered the following explanation to account for the bizarre love affair G.O.P. voters say they're having with an African American senator on the other side of the aisle. "It seems a lot of Republicans took to heart Obama's statement in his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that 'there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America.'"

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Obama has recited Rove's "high negatives" comment in press interviews when discussing Clinton. His often bitter criticism of her, along with other "Washington insiders", who he says want to "boil and stew all the hope out of him", represents a staple of his core political message. The other half of the stump speech, known by political hacks as the I'm-a-uniter-not-a-divider pitch, is reminiscent of the Bush 2000 campaign, which Rove managed. Perhaps that's not surprising when you discover that one of Obama's speechwriters is Ben Rhodes, the brother of Fox News VP David Rhodes. (Marisa Guthrie, of BC Beat, reported this connection.) You may recall that on election night in November 2000, it was Fox that called Florida for Bush, even though the other networks declared Gore the winner after citing the exit polls. How Fox knew the polls were wrong in advance of the vote count has never been explained.

And the G.O.P. links to the Obama campaign don't end there. The Times of London reported on March 2nd that Obama is interviewing conservative Republican lawmakers like Senators Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar for key positions in his cabinet, if he's elected in November. "Senior advisers confirmed that Hagel, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and one of McCain’s closest friends in the Senate, was considered an ideal candidate for defence secretary." the story revealed. "Some regard the outspoken Republican as a possible vice-presidential nominee although that might be regarded as a 'stretch'." Lugar is being evaluated as a potential secretary of state.

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Without the contested states in her column, Clinton may be unable to catch up with her opponent in either pledged delegates or popular vote. She has pledged to put up a credentials fight in August, and Elizabeth Edwards, wife of the former candidate, recently backed the idea of an "open convention". As Obama's image has become increasingly tarnished in the eyes of voters, it's possible that many pledged delegates will defect at the convention and vote for Clinton. Still, the road to the White House remains an uphill climb for the once inevitable New York senator. Thanks to Karl Rove and his friends in the shadows, the Democratic nominee may ultimately be determined by the G.O.P., with a big assist from the mainstream media, as well as Democratic Party leaders like Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. In various statements, the party leaders have repeatedly tried to circumvent the nominating process.

[TragedyandHope]

1. OBEY

[cliffordu]

6. LOL I like that

[cali]

2. evidence that this is going to the convention? There is none

and top dems have made it clear that they'll do everything within their power to avoid that. The odds of it going to the convention are slight indeed.

[GoldieAZ49]

3. Wrong

from the link in the OP

Dean issued a press release last month reassuring Americans that he will intervene before August if the race still remains deadlocked. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid echoed this sentiment more recently, insisting a solution would be "easy". However, the extent of their authority to subvert the Democratic process is unclear. Clinton has been under pressure from Obama supporters to quit the race, since a protracted battle (they say) is hurting the Democratic Party. Some pundits and journalists have also raised the prospect of violence at the convention should the nominee not be resolved beforehand. Both CNN and Fox were already using this "there will be blood" scenario in their election-reporting title graphics on the night of the Texas/Ohio primaries. While the rules don't require Clinton to cede the nomination until the 2025-delegate mark is reached, those who want her out of the race have pressured her to surrender, they say, "for the good of the party".

The New York senator insists she won't be bullied by anyone to stop running. In the meantime, Chairman Dean is pushing to count the superdelegate tally in early July. Such a measure would derail Clinton's plan to support a floor fight to seat the delegeates from Michigan and Florida at the convention (see below), thereby bolstering her counts in delegates and popular vote. Moreover, by separating the superdelegates from the traditional convention proceedings, the move will only fuel the public perception that the party is trying to hijack the democratic process, in this case, should Clinton get the nod. Legally, no determination of a nominee can carry any legitimacy until the first ballot is taken at the convention.

Anyone that thinks Hillary is going to concede the nomination on an illegal tally of SD's prior to the convention is a fool that has not paid attention to Clinton politics.

[cali]

4. sorry, if she insists on staying in despite his having the delegates

that make him the presumptive nom- just as mccain is now, she'll simply be the biggest national joke imaginable. Many of her own prominent SDs will flee faster than a fox before the hounds. There's nothing remotely illegal about the SDs endorsing before the convention, genius. 200 of them endorsed hilly dear before a single vote was cast. Was that illegal? duh, no. Delegates like Corzine, Frank, Boxer, Cantwell, Murray and others would support Obama if she insists on staying in. They've all said words to that effect. Her money would dry up.

Here's what would happen: Obama would walk into that convention with 2300+ delegates, win on the first ballot and hillypoo would rightfully be a pariah. And she wouldn't be able to get elected to scoop doggy doo in Central Park.

[GoldieAZ49]

5. They can endorse all they want, means nothing until the vote is cast

at the convention, same for the 'pledged' delegates.

She has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[cali]

7. She has everything to lose.

and i explained what in the post you're addressing. She'd completely piss off the the SDs if she stayed in after he reached 2024. She'd be Huckabee on steroids and nothing more. She'd be permanently through as a politician in the dem party. You truly have to be a blind idiot not to see that.

[GoldieAZ49]

you really don't get it do you?

She has been working towards this her whole life, it is now or never. She doesn't want a political life other than POTUS.

She and Bill can make more money, exercise their influence world wide without political office.

She went to the senate to launch her campaign for POTUS from elected office. (just like Obama only he started 2 weeks after he started in the IL senate)

[cali]

14. that's very touching but Hillary Clinton is not going to commit

political, social and influence suicide. Not even for you, sweetie.

[GoldieAZ49]

15. LOL, it is going to be so much fun knowing you will go off the deep end

between now and Hillary contesting all the way to the convention

so much fun :hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

16. you will enjoy the video clip some of us emailed to Dean today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mc3GQmGGms&feature=user

:rofl:

[GoldieAZ49]

13. duplicate post

[cliffordu]

8. I think anyone who quotes the GOP and especially that

Karl Fucking Rove in their "articles" here in Du need to be checked for lice from getting into bed with NEOCONS.

IF I wanted Rove's take on anything I'd open the nearest toilet and ask.

This is a new sign of desperation even for YOU Goldie -



Really sad. You used to come up with some pretty good arguments.

Reduced to Fox and Rove.

[GoldieAZ49]

9. It isn't an article by Rove, try reading

It isn't from Fox either genius

[Generic Other]

10. Everytime they say "Rezco," shout back "Did you say Arbusto?"

Great way to blunt their negative messages is not hear them, just throw them back in their faces!!

[Avalux]

11. It amazes me that this man has so much power over people.

Doesn't seem to matter how often his hijinks are exposed, he still continues to be successful.

[JoFerret]

12. Good at his "job"

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