Looks like Clinton DID win PA by 10 points!

[mudesi]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/25/final-returns-in-pennsylvania-did-clinton-nab-a-double-digit-win/

This time, at least, it turns out: both. According to the final tally provided by the Associated Press, which gathers precise counts for the networks and other major news organizations, Hillary Clinton won 1,260,444 votes to Barack Obama’s 1,046,220, for a difference of 214,224 votes, or 9.2871 percent — which rounds down to 9. But calculated another, more traditional way: she captured 54.6435 percent of the vote — which rounds up to 55 — to his 45.3564, which rounds down to 45, for a difference of 10 points.

:eyes::rofl::eyes::rofl::eyes::rofl::eyes::rofl::eyes::rofl::eyes::rofl:

[hobbit709]

1. There's lies, damned lies and STATISTICS!

[TechBear_Seattle]

6. I would love to see Samuel Clemens' take on the current election

I'm sure he would have an earful for both candidates.

[lapfog_1]

2. "another, more traditional way"

aka compounding rounding error.

Not accepted as correct math anywhere.

[cliffordu]

4. That's right.

[catnhatnh]

3. So the fact is she failed to meet her own "minimum"...

...but if you deliberately introduce not just a single, but double rounding errors you can lie and say she did??? She set 10% as the pass/fail standard and guess what?

[Freedom Train]

5. 9... 10...

Either way it's a blowout. And she was outspent how many times over on commercials again?

[goldcanyonaz]

8. You got it! And, in a very important state.

[jenmito]

17. Got WHAT? That Obama was able to narrow a 30 point gap to 9 despite Hillary having the homecourt

advantage, the entire establishment, and a perfect-fit demographic behind her?! :rofl:

[Cant trust em]

9. How much has Clinton spent during this entire campaign?

You can't look at Pennsylvania in a bubble.

[helderheid]

10. She was outspent because she couldn't raise enough money and campaigned poorly. A drop in 20-30

point lead is no "blowout".

[joeybee12]

11. Yeah, when BO and his supporters were screaming all night when it

was only six...9 or 10 is still big, and they're just whiners.

[Windy]

20. get your head out of the clouds. He reduced the huge margin she had going in! He outspent her

because he had the money and still does!! She is broke!!

many repubs also switched to dem to vote for her at the urging of Limbaugh... (there are statitics on the web...goggle is your friend)
http://www.webloggin.com/did-operation-chaos-rule-the-day-in-pennsylvania-primary/


She needs to pack it up!

[jenmito]

14. A blowout? She claimed Scranton as her hometown, has decades of political ties, deep roots,

and started out with a 30 point lead. The state demographic was MADE for her. She was outspent TWO to one. She needed to win every remaining state with 65%. This was her best shot and she failed.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. first media says she has to win by double digits, so they round up?

yes Leave No Child Behind also left the lying media behind.

[mudesi]

13. What's hilarious is that they're rounding AT ALL

There's no need to do any rounding whatsoever. The numbers are more precise when they're not rounded, which means that in reality she did not win by double digits!

[saltpoint]

12. She lost half her PA support inside a month and by the hour, is losing

respect among any number of party chairs.

She provoked condemnation by the NYTMES, a paper in her own state and one which endorsed her, for her low, gutter tactics.

There is also a long-term consideration of her role in the party in future events. With each passing day, her serving in that role is increasingly jeopardized, as she is not presenting as a problem-solver or circle-widener.

Her remaining opponent in the Democratic nomination race has outclassed her.

[merh]

16. The words of the one time big buck supporter of Hillary says it all

"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.

[saltpoint]

18. Hi, merh. I saw that quote. Wow. It's quite a broadside, and isn't going

to help much to keep "the Clintons" viable.

I would be curious to learn why someone of Hillary Clinton's innate perception and intelligence did not run a campaign of ideas and instead chose a campaign of celebrity.

Obama defeats her on points alone. Edwards upended her in Iowa, and she placed third behind those two. I think Edwards and Obama drove the ideas in this race, and that Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel, and Biden ALL offered a sturdier, better-seasoned, more-sharply-prepared ideas agenda than Mrs. Clinton.

[merh]

19. I can't answer why on earth she would carry on this way

any more than I can explain why so many of her supporters on DU seem so entrenched in their support they cannot see how destructive her campaign is to the party and to the candidate.

I've been very disappointed in folks that I once had high respect for, it is not because they support hillary, it is how they have supported her - the vicious attacks, the racist posts, the passive/aggressive games.

I just wish it were over with and folks would focus on beating McCain.

[saltpoint]

21. Agree -- McCain is rising like that bad moon in the Creedence song.

Well, actually, he's a lot worse.

Rising like a slime creature from a polluted lagoon. There. I like that analogy better.

[merh]

24. not only is the scum having a great time campaiging unopposed

all the party distractions keep the party from preparing from the possibility of another attempt to steal the election as they have in the past.

Smoke & Mirrors - the RNC is very good at the tactics of distract and destroy. While you are fighting the "bad guys" at the door, they have broken in to your house and now control every room in it but the one you are in and locked you into the room you are in.

[saltpoint]

25. Yes -- we have to bring McCain's unchallenged headstart to a swift halt.

I think it will happen sooner rather than later, merh. I have no clinical proof, just a hunch.

And then, when we have a nominee, we can start in with building our party up. The stronger the party presence is in red states, for instance, the more likely people like Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh will vote more left instead of kowtowing to the conservatives as they do now.

They need to come through for us to pass Obama's legislative agenda, but we need to come through for them, too, to provide cover for their "boldness."

[mikekohr]

15. Her Margin Was 9.2871% PRECISELY, That's .7129 % Less Than 10% -PRECISELY--

which traditionally would be rounded up to 1%, which means Senator Clinton by your standards only won by 9%.

But this is all about delegates. Senator Obama holds an all but insurmountable lead in pledged delegates and the Super Delegates have been breaking his way since 2/5/2008. Short of spontaneous human combustion reducing Senator Obama to a pile of ashes this race is all but over.

mike kohr

-Victory in 08-

[merh]

22. OMG - she won by 5 digits

It's a miracle !!!

[Genevieve]

23. It doesn't matter - She can't win the nomination. nt

[BlueIdaho]

26. Ahhh... I get it - you gotta use "new" math. well any port in a storm for HRC supporters I guess.

[Frank Booth]

27. This is the most idiotic quote I've seen posted in a long time.

"But calculated another, more traditional way: she captured 54.6435 percent of the vote — which rounds up to 55 — to his 45.3564, which rounds down to 45, for a difference of 10 points."

What the hell is that?? Her margin suddenly jumps from 9.2871 percent to 10 percent because they round up on the total vote count? This is the "traditional" way? The idiot who wrote this is just wrong. The margin is not the same as the total vote. It's apples and oranges.

Weren't we supposed to learn about rounding in third grade? Anything less than .5 rounds DOWN.

The American media is a complete disgrace.