Hillary is attacking Obama worse than ....

[Blarch]

Mccain will in the GE.

Hillary hasn't figured out what McCain already knows. Attacking Obama swift boat style doesn't work...and only will hurt your own campaign.

I predict that all the spin about how the 'republicans will tear him apart in the GE' ...is just that ...SPIN. We are seeing the worst from hillary.

You heard it here first.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/12/obama_wideweb__470x418,0.jpg

[tekisui]

1. That excuse: "The pukes will do this anyway" is despicable.

If the pukes were shooting at our candidates from rooftops, would the Clinton Campaign join in?

[splat]

2. It's not McCain who'll attack, it's the 527 groups like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Surrogates will do McCain's heavy bombing for him. And it will be far nastier and "coded" than anything you'll hear from a fellow Democrat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. Precisely. But that does not excuse all the Hillaryboating she's doing to Obama.

[Maribelle]

3. It's not even Hillary or McCain you should be worried about. Vis-à-vis North Carolina.

Buckle up.

The nasty hate mongers of the right will be showing you that what Hillary and/or McCain have or will do will be considered baby food by the time the nasty hate mongers of the right are finished.

[tekisui]

4. They are locked and loaded for Obama or Hillary.

It's gonna be nasty for sure.

[bunkerbuster1]

10. Rude Pundit called the nastiness two years ago...

And the "re-niggering" of Obama has McCain's paw prints all over it.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2006/02/re-niggering-of-barack-obama-watching.html

The Re-Niggering of Barack Obama:

Watching Chris "Behold My Lipless Shit-Eating Grin" Matthews and John "I'm Not On Your Side" McCain, who happen to be white, discuss the dust-up between McCain and freshman Senator Barack Obama, who happens to be black, on My Balls Are Hard last night was uncomfortable, in one of those "oh-shit-I-just-saw-my-sister-naked-and-she's-hot" kind of ways. The two pasty-faced assholes chuckled and chortled about the letter that McCain sent to Obama, essentially treating a fellow Senator like a syphilitic Saigon whore. You can read the letters on Obama's Senate website; he's posted them without comment, which is the subtle way of saying of McCain, "God, what a wad of fuck."

Beyond the issue itself, that of how to proceed (not even on what to do, but what steps to take to get to doing something) on "ethics reform," which will be gutted and fileted like a mercury-ridden trout by the House before it's over, the whole kerfuffle seems to be over McCain misreading Obama. It's all about McCain's posturing, a little dance he can do, a happy, if gimpy, jig before the GOP faithful, where he can sway and say, "Look how I can take out the uppity negro."

The racial politics are impossible to avoid on this. Would McCain have done the same with Joe Biden? With Hillary Clinton (who, let us remember, is also still in her first term in the Senate)? Of course not. He'd've taken them aside, clarified, tried to put aside any bitterness. But Obama's the star, man, charismatic, more fuckable than any other big ass sittin' in that chamber (sorry, Rick Santorum), the very real contender for the vice-presidency now, and he's a real moderate, too. It's fuckin' scary for the GOP. So it must be demonstrated that he is just another nigger, the "boy," if you will, and that he must be put in his place. He's a selfish Sambo, McCain is saying by the end of his letter (which was written in response to a "thank you" note from Obama), questioning Obama's motives for even being in the Senate: "I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn't always a priority for every one of us."

Obama's reaction letter to McCain's spittle-ridden bit of enragement (the penning of which surely caused the Arizona Senator's first full erection since his last syphilitic Saigon whore) is so classy, so mutedly firm and resolute, that if any in the media, like, say, Chris Matthews, brought it up, it'd take the glow off McCain's red, shiny head. It'd also put the ethics scandal clearly back in the Republicans' court, despite the GOP's best efforts to bob and weave and deceive.

[Blarch]

6. I disagree.

swift boating will backfire, the republicans know this.

The repubs will attack on the issues ...not made up lies and spin.

McCain doesn't want to be seen as a liar like hillary is, they all closely watched what has just happened to hillary.

[Maribelle]

16. They are not watching Hillary. They have complete their own stratigic designs and development.

Republicans do not hardly believe their swift boating will backfire, even if you do.

[QC]

5. Is this your first campaign? n/t

[Blarch]

7. Hillary just used the republican playbook for her campaign.

and lost.

She is now seen as a lying loser. Trust me, the repubs are taking notes.

[QC]

13. As others have said here, it will not be McCain who goes nasty.

He will play the gentleman, and many will be taken in by it, as some even here were when he called for the N.C. GOP not to run that negative ad. (You'd think they had never heard of good cop/bad cop.)

The "independent" groups, on the other hand, will do the dirty business, and it will most assuredly be dirty, no matter who gets the nomination. What doesn't work well in a party primary can work just fine in a general election, when the GOP will be trying to turn out the sort of people who would never, ever vote in a Democratic primary. These people like ugliness, and for the kind of people who can accuse Max Cleland of being a coward it's no big deal at all to engage in some racism or sexism.

[Toucano]

20. And Obama doesn't?

The game is played thusly: reinforce the negative ideas voters already have about your opponent. It is vastly easier than changing their minds about their ideas about you.

Every political campaign in the modern era has done this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Hillary is a just Rethug in Dem clothing.

[cali]

8. utterly ridiculous

and as others have pointed out, McCain will use surrogates to mount vile attacks. He'll still be culpable as hell. And his campaign itself has been attacking Obama in some very nasty ways. Grab a fucking clue; the pukes will pull all kinds of shit in the general.

[Blarch]

11. Why would McCain want to

run the very same course hillary just ran ?

I think the repubs will lie and spin to the American people ...they will swift boat the truth....but not Obama himself.

[graycem]

26. Because..

while it makes fellow democrats recoil, the Republicans love it...cheer it on. Sure a few may be turned off by it, but most will love it, and it will be business as usual. They just want to win, and they don't care how. You only need to look back at John McCain when he ran against Bush to see they don't even have qualms about doing it to their own. He saw he couldn't win, so they convinced him to suck it up, support Bush (kiss his ass), and when Bush was done, they'd guarantee him Republican support. Sure enough, that's what has happened.

John McCain is just another liar, and he is trying to have it both ways. That's why he wants to taunt/force Obama into taking public financing so he'll be at a disadvantage against the 527's and precisely the reason Obama shouldn't. He will have a money advantage. However, just because they will smear him and it will be nasty doesn't mean anything. They would do that no matter who we nominate. And if we're worried about that, I guess we shouldn't run anyone. Look what they did to Kerry. The counter attack is what matters. I think Obama will answer quicker and more efficiently than even Senator Kerry admits that he did.

[GoesTo11]

9. She's breaking the ice and testing themes, so Repubs don't have to

That way, McCain won't be perceived as running a negative campaign, because he'll just be bringing up issues that were already brought up in the primaries (by a Democrat!). And he can be focused on those issues where Hillary has found some traction, while not having to waste time attacking where Obama has shown he can easily defend.

[4themind]

29. True although..

perhaps weeks and weeks of consecutive attacks, will "innoculate" the public and maybe even induce tedium for hearing even more of it. This is where obama's exhortations to end "this type of politics" could gain some traction. Just another possibility.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. Naivete At Its Finest.

[Blarch]

15. Then I guess the McCain campaign is also naive..

"I would simply be uncomfortable being in a campaign that would be inevitably attacking Barack Obama," said McCain adviser Mark McKinnon in an interview with NPR's "All Things Considered." "I think it would be uncomfortable for me, and I think it would be bad for the McCain campaign."

[splat]

19. They are p.r. pros -- the candidate always looks blameless and doesn't do the dirty work himself

This is basic and timeless.

[boobooday]

25. McKinnon said this as part of a statement

about why he would not work for McCain if Obama is the nominee. He is a Democrat who has been working for McCain, and seems to be feeling a pang of conscience over it.

Just for some context. So he will most likely be replaced with someone who is "comfortable" attacking Obama.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. And Even More Naivete At Its Finest.

[Toucano]

17. I never thought I'd see that word used to describe Clinton.

Next someone will be calling her "innocent" or "fresh". :)

[shadowknows69]

14. Hillary is helping McCain streamline his campaign

He's taking notes of what attacks work and what don't. He won't go after Obama on things that have proven not to hurt him.

[Maribelle]

22. Obama himself is the one helping McCain-who has already used the 'cling to god and guns' caricature

Sorry.

[ClassWarrior]

27. So he helps McBush by speaking the truth, but she...

...revs up her own RW smear factory, and that's just ducky?

NGU.

[rodeodance]

18. You lie. Did you listen to her speeches this week?--She dug into MaCain good.

She did point out some policy differences with Obama--but her focus was on McCain.

You are using the fear card.

[Blarch]

21. Jeeesh. go lay down.

[Maribelle]

23. Perhaps it is Obama's followers that need to wake up, yes?

[Blarch]

24. Ya we all know...

you think Obama has run a dirtier campaign than hillary.

and then you tell Obama supporters to 'wake up' ....oh the irony.

[rodeodance]

38. more insults from Obama fans. figures.

[LeFleur1]

37. Yabut...

You never, ever disagree with Obama on anything. You don't point out a way that isn't his way. If you do you are a traitor to the party. If you have disagreements with his plans (whatever they are) that would make you a vicious bitch (if you are a woman), even if your plan was better.

If you are Hillary and you point out where McCain is wrong you are a dumb c*&^ who is just pretending.

Most of the Obama supporters do not want to hear any ideas that might be better than Obama's. They are going to support him to the bitter end. And if he gets the nomination and loses to McCain because of the plans they wouldn't allow to be discussed and critiqued, it's Hillary's fault.

[Life Long Dem]

28. MSM won't attack him anymore than they are now. n/t

[splat]

32. Well, MSM were huge fans till he started losing, and he still has Keith

[Life Long Dem]

35. No, they have always been an issue.

Something Clinton supporters should join in on with us, because we have seen this so often before. We have seen the media blackouts on important issues. We have seen them take down good men and woman. Kerry and Dean during the last Presidential race for example.

Now, if you can find it that Clinton is not going to win (and lets not play games here). Then we all need to get behind the candidate and fight MSM before they take down another good man. I would do it for Clinton if she was in the position Obama is in, and I would hope all Democrats would do the same.

[splat]

40. Many were publicly rooting for him, but turning on him is always a possibility

Hillary supporters were complaining about the male media's embrace of Obama while writing her off.

How to woo the media is always a campaign's big puzzle.

[GoldieAZ49]

31. BS the primary contest is a game of pattycake compared to the GE

If Obama cannot handle a hotly contested primary then forget about a GE

[jaxx]

33. Obama's handling Hillary quite well.

He's winning. McCain will be handled the same.

[jbm]

39. LOLOLOLOL

So far all you've seen is the seed of truth stretched into a fabricated story. (Both Obama and Hillary have done this equally, IMO). With the repubs you'll see crazy ridiculous lies made out of nothing. At that point, the disadvantage goes to Obama. He's less known, and it will be easier for the repubs to 'introduce' him to the voters.

[splat]

41. I think that's the meme that may grow