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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:58 AM
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I just heard on NBC news, Hilary is getting the “women and white working class votes”
And Obama is getting the "black and educated white votes".
If that is the case, how is it, he's winning? Not to mention, their statement doesn't make sense, since women make up half of the black population.
This is my theory on why most of the media is trying to make it look like Hilary still has a chance. With the exception of Faux News, there is nothing really sinister about it. I don't think it is some diabolical right wing conspiracy.
I think it just comes down to, plain and simple, RATINGS. And of course, that comes back to money again. It's all about making a buck.
If the ball game is close, people will keep watching, and the sponsors will be happy.
Well, that's my humble opinion.
By the way; I'm a working class white woman who doesn't have a college degree, and I’m voting for Obama. So take that, NBC! :mad:
Ps. Please don’t ignore my post just because I only have 260 some post. I’ve been here since 2001. I just don’t have that much time to post but, I do read a lot. It's OK to ignore my post for other reasons. :)
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:02 AM
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1. I agree with your analysis. BTW: I'm a working class white
woman without a college degree & I voted for Obama. So much for their stereotypes.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:09 AM
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6. I'm a Senior AA women and I don't count in the Count
of women.

:puke:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:10 AM
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7. Well, you don't exist.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:10 AM by baldguy
NBC said so.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:04 AM
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2. I'd never ignore you for post count
I've been here since 2001 , also, and only reached 1000 posts recently. I am a white male, educated, successful businessman, reitred at age 45, and I support Clinton. Not everyone falls within the brackets of these polls.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:05 AM
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3. Working people
is what this party should be about. Hillary has NOW behind her.

I'm a retired college graduate who is for any candidate who supports working class issues.

Neither candidate can claim they represent working people with their NAFTA and globalization support.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:13 AM
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12. I'm with you!
I am retired too, and I want to see a president actually change something for the tax-paying, blue-collar American, other than reduce the amount of real income they have
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:24 AM
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13. Amen! No one in this race deserves working class support. n/t
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:29 PM
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24. You are so right
The leadership of our own party took that from us.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:35 PM
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19. Where's JOhn Edwards when we need him?
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LawSchoolLiberal Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:05 AM
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4. Don't worry...
You're not the only long term member with low post numbers.

Oh, and GROSS oversimplification from the MSM? Inconceivable! :eyes:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:07 AM
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5. they do typically qualify the women as white
but even when they don't they are clear in the implication. And numerically, black voters outnumber white women (especially low income ones) in democratic primary electorates in several states. That is why she is losing.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:12 AM
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8. Why should this surprise you? The media always oversimplifies things...
...I will say, however, the one demographic that you could probably say each has a clear advantage over is age: Hilary gets the older voters and BO the younger ones...this has held true in most (if not all )of the contests.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:12 AM
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9. AA women don't count as far as "framing" goes.
And the call that Obama doesn't get working class white women is framing as well. All you have to understand is this is about power and corporations. The media is now part of that structure. They have to create "realities" in order to make their prognostications true and their candidates victors.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:12 AM
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10. The thing that makes them salivate
Is the opportunity to hack us all apart along racial, gender, ethnic, age, whatever lines, desperately seeking divisions. Probably the most absurd example was one of the channels analyzing PA results between groups that included "bowlers," "beer drinkers," "Catholics" and a couple of other groups, which I'm sure would never overlap in PA!

:shrug:

Next we'll hear that Obama is winning all the left-handed Puerto Rican people, and Hillary is winning everyone who has blue eyes and was born between midnight and 3am on a Tuesday.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:13 AM
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11. The latest meme is "women over 50"....
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:14 AM by Breeze54
:eyes:

And that's being toted by people on both sides!!! :grr:

And repeated on the airwaves by people over 50!!

Some talking heads and pundits need an ass kicking,

as do many in both campaigns!! Asshats!

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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:35 AM
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14. Do you all think it could be just about the ratings?
I think it is because, for a while it seemed like most of the media were for Obama, and it was a great story, this outstanding young Senator coming out of no where to take on the heavily entrenched establishment. But, when it looked like he was gonna run away with it, they turned on him. I don't think it is, because they don't want him to win (except for FoxN), they just don't want the race to end so soon. What else would they talk about, except maybe, the real news?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:33 AM
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15. it's all spin, innuendo and smear
I include Andrea Mitchell's whisper of how Obama may be a muslim or he doesn't have his hand on his heart for the pledge of allegiance. They repeat these smears as news. Obama has collected over 250 million dollars, much of which is from small donors on the internet who have sent in an average of under $100.00 bucks. He would have to be pulling large numbers of the American people to be able to do that. McCain has only pulled in 57 million, he does not have mass appeal.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:26 PM
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16. Not this older white woman. Never, evah!....n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:27 PM
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17. I know, they're trying to McGovern him.
Even though his coalition also includes independents and republicans.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:28 PM
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18. Just count me as another working class white woman for Obama.
Our Liberal Media is so awesum!!1111!!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:51 PM
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20. Because the media is full of right wing hacks and they lie to create perceptions. Thats their
purpose because they are owned by corporations, and these corporations are not going to allow truth to get in their way of making their almighty dollar. PERIOD.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:00 PM
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21. Looks like more spin pulled out of their asses as usual.
I really wish there was a law making lying, innuendo and propaganda spin subject to fines for those news media outlets and maybe even loss of licensing from the worst offenders like FOX. I believe they have something like that in Great Britain. That's why Murdoch can't put out as much outrageous yellow journalism there as he does here.
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:42 PM
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22. Once upon a time, wasn't there a law like that, here in America?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:13 PM
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23. Maybe they think she is a better candidate than Obama?
And maybe they think Obama is a better candidate than McCain? Coming in second to Hillary is not a disgrace nor does it automatically make you a weaker candidate than the Republican.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:35 PM
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26. Maybe the m$$$$fm is covering up
for hilary? Maybe they don't know she said she would nuke Iran?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:34 PM
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25. Bullloney...hilary's getting the votes of
those who aren't paying attention to what a world class liar(snipers)she is..and the m$$$fm is covering up for her..

It's a story that the American media totally ignored. Our wonderful "independent" reporters collectively decided last week that it simply wasn't news that Hillary revealed she'd be nuking Iran if they attacked Israel, and that it wasn't news that she'd like to extend the US nuclear umbrella to Israel's neighbors. That means we'd be nuking Iran if they attacked Jordan, Egypt, maybe even Saudi Arabia. Show of hands: How many Americans are willing to start a nuclear war for the Saudis?

Well, it seems even the Saudis aren't too keen on the idea. They criticized Hillary this week, we learn via a Boston Globe editorial entitled "Hillary Strangelove" (the Globe is one of the few American papers to even write about this issue). They said she was as stupid as Bush: The Saudi paper called Clinton's nuclear threat "the foreign politics of the madhouse," saying, "it demonstrates the same doltish ignorance that has distinguished Bush's foreign relations."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5708629
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:41 PM
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27. Hillary is going after the scared old ladies and angry redneck/racists
True, she will pick up some who are not, but those other two are the ones she's aiming her codespeak at these days..


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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:52 PM
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28. How insulting.
Women of all ages support both candidates for whatever reason.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:55 PM
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29. I repeat..with emphasis..(in case you missed it)
True, she will pick up some who are not, but those other two are the ones she's AIMING her codespeak at these days..
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:38 PM
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30. You imply that those who vote for her are racist and senile. This is getting common at DU.
This division within the ranks has got to stop. It is something that the RNC is helping to foster. The Freepers on our board are nurturing it like crab grass.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:49 PM
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31. No, I SAID that she is going AFTER ..as in AIMING her message
at "those groups"..but like buckshot, she will no doubt get some people who either don't GET her code-speak, or who will accept her as a candidate for other reasons..

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