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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:52 AM
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You're a racist!
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:16 AM by lwcon
You're not really a racist, are you?

But how about if I convince millions of people that you and your spouse are, attempting to cheat you out of a job by creating a deafening whisper campaign that says you are?

If you fight back, I'll create another whisper campaign saying -- with the cruelest of irony -- that you'll stop at nothing to destroy all that's good and decent.

Why, you may ask, would anyone ever look me in the eye again after I did such a thing?

Because fabricating dehumanizing, reputation-destroying, hate-fueling lies is hopeful, transcendent, and unity-building change you can believe in!

(Edited to fix link)

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:57 AM
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1. How about you misremebered when you really bald faced lied???? or
or "as far as I know" to plant seeds of doubt, or I knew nothing about the underground weatherman pardons??? She herself is the hateful lie
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:58 AM
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2. Only a sexist hatemonger would attack Senator Sniperfire for her lying.
And her Rovian tactics.

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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:27 AM
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9. Truthiness looks good on you!
Faced with the evidence (see links in the OP) that the Obama camp has unleashed the dirtiest tricks in this campaign, you say "Neener-neener, Hillary is Rovian."

Well played!

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #9
21. That No Good Dirty Dog of a Man!!!
Dastardly No Good Muslim!!! RAWR!111
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:27 AM
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23. Huh? n/t
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:28 AM
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28. I thought this was Post a Random Invective Rant against Obama Day
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:43 AM
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31. Other than the links, the rational argument, and the lack of invective
Sure.

With apologies to Charles Schulz...

Why isn't there a Post a Random Invective Rant Against Hilary Clinton Day?

Because every day is Post a Random Invective Rant Against Hilary Clinton Day!

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:45 AM
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32. Hooray it's like an Unbirthday !
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 11:47 AM by Moochy
"Because every day is Post a Random Invective Rant Against Hilary Clinton Day!"

I'm off to celebrate! :party:

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
51. Here's how BHO manufactured the race issue against the Clintons. Unfortunately many are too stupid
to understand it. And the media played right along. Fools!


-snip-

A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.

-snip-
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:14 AM
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6. How about Obama's falsely and continually...
... claiming that the old speech that's the linchpin of his presidential run was made during a hotly-contested U.S. Senate campaign? How does that not matter, yet HRC's misremembering or embellishing the circumstances of her visit to Bosnia is a cardinal sin?

And please rebut Eric Boehlert's massive takedown of the "AFAIK" bullshit:
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803110002

Oh, and not that it matters of course, but even if your arguments were substantive, how do they justify the Obama camp's use of race-baiting lies... and the deafening silence of his supporters about this sleazy maneuver?

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:57 AM
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18. Congratulations. You're a shill.
You're not advancing "truth," you're just trying to smear, and you're using the same lame right-wing bullshit to do it that Clinton has based her entire campaign on.

Congratulations. This is what it feels like to be Republican Lite.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. Congratulations
On having zero ability to make or rebut arguments.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #6
37. Poor Nell! Where's Dudley when she neeeeeds him??
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 12:50 PM by TahitiNut
:nopity:

Obama goes on a whistlestop tour and Hillary ties herself to the tracks. OMG!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:21 AM
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54. "As far as I know" was a Drudge edit of "60 Minutes" that only a political newbie would fall for.
It is straight out of the 1972 CREEP manufacture attacks from one Democrat against another Democrat strategy guide that Pat Buchanan wrote up for Dick Nixon to divide and conquer the Democrats so that no one would be McGovern's VP. Worked, too. Even KO fell for it, because all he pays attention to is sports. I am ashamed of the people around here. You should read Media Matters more often.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:59 AM
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3. Link to "hate-fueling lies" doesn't work.

That makes a statement unto itself, does it not?
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:14 AM
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7. No, it doesn't. I'll go check the link. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:59 AM
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4. Hillary Clinton's own words in the Philadelphia debate:
"It wasn't only the specific remarks, but some of the relationship with Rev. Farrakhan and giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas to put a message in. These are problems, and they raise questions in people's mind. So this is a legitimate area, as everything is when we run for office."



A whispering campaign isn't needed to see the game she is playing.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:27 AM
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25. WHAT exactly is UNTRUE about what she said!!???????????
Barack DOES have an association with Farakhan! Through his MINISTER who PRAISED him as the epitome of GREATNESS!!!!


WHEN are you people gonna STOP BLAMING HILLARY for BARACKS own probnlems!???That HE created!!!????

It's not Hillarys FAULT who BARACK associates himeself with!

If it were HILLARY with those associations!??? HAH!!!!!!! yeah. Blame your man Barack for HIS BAD JUDGMENT - it's got NOTHING TO DO WITH HILLARY.
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marlo Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. Uhh...So does Hillary also have an "association" with...
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 12:14 PM by marlo
Farrakhan by virtue of her surrogate Ed Rendel praising Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam when HE ADDRESSED THEM during his tenure as the Mayor of Philadelphia. What, don't believe me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

When are you Clinton supporters going to get your collective heads out of your asses?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:05 AM
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5. Here's Something Interesting I Found on the ObamaBlog on the Official Campaign Site
Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 11:40 PM

South Carolina's largest African American newspaper announces their endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

....

In her eagerness to point out how white presidents can get things done, she in effect relegated Dr. King's sacrifice for racial equality to nothing more than a supportive role.


As we know, Hillary Clinton didn't say "It took a white president ..." But that's what some Obama supporters heard, and his campaign did everything they could to encourage that interpretation - going so far as to reprint the above.

http://africanamericans.barackobama.com/page/content/afamhome
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:16 AM
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8. The accusations have been disgusting
The smear campaign - constant assaults on Clinton's character. Wild supposition now readily passes for "fact" if it's thought to be damning of the Clintons.

And all under the guise of "new politics." What a sham.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:32 AM
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10. CHEAT?
Cheat? As in changing the rules after the elections were held cheating?

If there is any cheating going on I think you may want to look at your own candidate(s).
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:42 AM
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15. So, because HRC wants there to be an agreement...
... that enfranchises the voters in vital swing states Michigan and Florida, she's cheating? She agreed to a re-vote, which may reduce her vote count from what she already received there in those elections that you note were already held.

Obama, though, tried to cheat by proposing he be assigned half of those states' delegates even though he is demonstrably unlikely to earn that many.

And, even if your argument were substantive, how does it justify the Obama camp's race-baiting lies?

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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:33 AM
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11. Another Clinton Campaign Lie
The original observation that - The majority of Clinton supporters will vote for me but she will not be able to get the majority of my supporters to vote for her - and somehow the Clinton Clique reads this as racist because they all know that Obama is only supported by ...errr... African Americans.

and as for "hate fueling" surely the hate that Hillary spouts about "obliterating" countries is bad enough without the constant whines, moans fantasies when her latest "mispeak" (copyright GW Bush) is brought into the public eye.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:36 AM
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12. THANK YOU
That is EXACTLY what has and IS happening to the The Clintons.



REC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:38 AM
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13. The dishonesty is in the following:
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:39 AM by mmonk
Cheat you out of a job. How so?
When has the Obama campaign claimed Cinton is a racist?
The Obama campaign did not put the insinuations that the Obama campaign is like the reverand Jackson's campaign in South Carolina.
The Clinton campaign has put both the idea that Obama is somewhat a radical AA candidate and joined the republicans in misrepresenting the Rev. Wright and morphing his speeches into something different. The Clinton campaign dishonestly tried to link Obama to Farrakhan and Hamas to push the fear, terrorism and xenophobic card on uneducated whites.

As I said before, NO whispering campaign needed. The Clintons are doing that on their own.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:46 AM
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17. Since -- as you insist -- the whispering campaign isn't necessary...?
Why are they doing it, blatantly twisting innocent comments into racism (see links in the OP)?

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:27 AM
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24. I can do a post of her quotes concerning Obama
complete with links but it is a waste of time. If one can't see it one can't see it.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:32 AM
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29. ** Crickets **
Still waiting for you to address the smears linked to in the OP.

The "fairy-tale" smear: pure bullshit.
The "needed a white president" smear: pure bullshit.

Both sourced to the Obama campaign.


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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:25 AM
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55. The twisting is being done by the Clinton campaign
They twisted a comment (after Bill's little errrrr "Misspeak") about how not everybody who would vote for Obama would vote for Hillary. Somehow this is interpretted as "playing the race card"

But what does the Clinton campaign know about truth and loyalty in racial matters? Not a lot, if their treatment of Rev. Wright is anything to go by.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:40 AM
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14. K&R I believe, I believe!
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:43 AM
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16. EVERY TIME
Barack loses or some other of HIS OWN scandals break wide open the Racist remarks start both HERE AT DU and against The Clintons from his surrogates!

IT'S BULLSHIT! ABSOLUTE BULLHSIT!

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:58 AM
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19. As long as you apologize....
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:07 AM
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20. True, the Clintons have been put on the defensive...
... over trumped-up issues and the foibles of minor staffers.

Your point being?

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
34. "Trumped up charges"..
do not require a laundry list of public mea culpas, for an endless list of infractions.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:44 PM
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36. Well, they do when an disinformation campaign puts you on the spot
And do you deny that there was a disinformation campaign coming from the Obama organization?

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. I read the words as they appear..
on the page. There is no denying what was said, and there is no denying that what ensued was a host of apologies. It's kind of like how the Republicans blame the Democrats for all they (the Republicans) are doing.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Bill Clinton's comment...
... about Obama's Iraq position being a fairy tale was the first item that was portrayed as offensive to African Americans. That's what was on the page, a completely innocent and completely non-race-related comment being morphed into a game of race-baiting by Mr. New Politics.

You guys got a sweet little game going here. Beat decent -- and obviously not racist -- people into crying uncle, and then using it against them when they give the apologies that you demand.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:22 PM
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47. I can give you information..
but I can't make you understand it. Good bye.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:25 AM
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53. All of this came before that comment...
I think that if there wasn't already a pattern the 'fairy tale' comment might not have caused such an uproar.

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html




Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.



http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
December 13, 2007
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager.
The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."


BY ERIK GERMAN | erik.german@newsday.com; Staff writer Meli
January 11, 2008

ALBANY - If you asked the bloggers yesterday, State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo stepped on a rhetorical land mine when he used the racially charged phrase "shuck and jive" while discussing the Democratic presidential primary in a recent radio interview.

Speaking Tuesday to the New York Post's Fred Dicker, whose show airs on Albany's Talk 1300 radio station, Cuomo said of the early primaries: "It's not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can't buy your way through."

He added later, "You have to sit down with 10 people in a living room. You can't shuck and jive at a news conference; you can't just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you, saying 'answer the question.'"

The 1994 book "Juba to Jive, a Dictionary of African-American Slang," says "shuck and jive" dates back to the 1870s and was an "originally southern 'Negro' expression for clowning, lying, pretense."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nyuscuom115533466jan11,0,3011306.story
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:10 AM
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22. And anyone that thinks ChiTown politics is all tigers hugging bunnies...
Isn't just whistling past the graveyard...they are whistling into an exhumed & opened casket *in* the graveyard.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:28 AM
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27. Amen.
All one has to do is look at the historical facts to see what really happened in SC and now what will happen in NC (Clyburn is back out just in time--coincidence?)
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:40 AM
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30. Facts?
Facts are so 20th-century. Why do you hate enthusiasm and ponies?

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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:35 PM
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35. Thanks, lwcon. Many of us have seen it exactly like this for quite some time.
Many more are starting to see it now.

Excellent post.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:38 PM
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38. For a nation created ...
by genocidal racists, why deny their heirs their just rewards?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:43 PM
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40. Who is whispering? Most honest people I know are speaking right up.
But, nice try.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:46 PM
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50. "honest" is debatable
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:58 PM
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41. Yeah like this...
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 02:59 PM by barack the house
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:59 PM
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42. 'cheat you out of a job' - why, did it have your name on it?
Sounds like an out-of-control sense of entitlement to me.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:52 PM
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44. How low can y'all go?
Someone runs an orchestrated campaign of lies that destroy the reputations of two fine public servants... and thinking that's a problem is an "out-of-control sense of entitlement"!

Goll-dang, I love this transcendent new politics!

I gotta fix my bookmarks. How the hell did I end up at freerepublic.com?

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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:12 PM
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43. She's definitely aiming for the racist vote. Anyone can see that.
Its not about what Obama says. Anyone can see what Hillary Clinton is doing. If you look at Clinton's campaign, its pretty clear she's stoop to anything to win - even courting racial fears if necessary.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:05 PM
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46. "Stoop to anything to win." You can keep robotically repeating the meme...
... but it doesn't make it true.

As noted in the links in the OP, it was Obama -- in the wake of losing the NH primary -- who decided to abuse the race card and destroy the Clintons' reputations for his own selfish gain.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:46 PM
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49. And, that would be untrue. Again.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:36 PM
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52. The race card is an invention of racists...
If Obama never once mentioned anything at all about race, would that mean that there would be no race issues in this election?

How absurd is that? Every time he steps onto a stage, one could argue he is playing the race card. He's BLACK! Hello?

Tell you what. If there were no racial issues to play on in this election, Hillary Clinton would have had to drop out months ago.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:43 PM
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48. Good thing John Edwards dropped out
or you'd be smearing him for the dirty ways he opposed Hillary.
From your TNR link
"Obama's campaign aides (as well as John Edwards's) immediately leapt on Penn and chastised him as an inflammatory demagogue for using the word that Obama ..."

And Obama's bad for not defending Hillary's remarks about MLK that offended other black leaders, while Hillary is completely justified in openly calling Obama's bitter remarks "elitist".
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:29 AM
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56. No white people are. White people tell me so.
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