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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:47 AM
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What HRC did with the Tammy Wynette/cookie-gate situation is THE SAME THING
she's doing now in the campaign, much to her detriment.

There would have been absolutely nothing wrong with her saying back then that, for herself, the choice she's made
is to follow her career path rather than be a stay-at-home mother, **which is an admirable thing to do, too.**
However, by failing to add the last part, Hillary made it seem like she was denigrating women who made the choice
to be home-makers and stay at home to raise their children.

And that's Hillary's problem now. She is entitled to tout her own talents from now till doomsday and would receive no
justifiable criticism for doing so. However, it's when she insists on tearing down the other candidate in her own party
that the line becomes drawn in the sand and people are forced to take sides. This seems to be something that
experience has not taught her.

You can give a candidate new talking points, but you can't change their basic character.
And, with Hillary, that lack of humility always seems to bubble to the top -- like little chocolate chips, baking in a hot oven.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:30 PM
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1. Lack of humility, you say?
Who's running for President, and who aspires to be the leader and director of a "transformational" mass movement?

Who has been lauded as as greatest man since Martin Luther King, possessing the wisdom of the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela combined, one of the nation's top professors of law, a paragon of personal virtue, and the only American holding elected office who is capable of transcending politics?

And who has been denounced for every enumerable human sin short of the temptation of Eve in the garden of Eden?

Politicians usually don't suffer from a lack of self-esteem. On the other hand, some of their supporters -- or disciples -- suffer from a lack of perspective. And the hyperbole that Obama "inspires" is among the most amazing I've ever seen. How many politicians are denounced with same flowery poetics ("... that lack of humility always seems to bubble to the top -- like little chocolate chips, baking in a hot oven") inflicted upon those who dare to cross the path of Obama?

There are two Democratic politicians aspiring to be the next President. One of them is a magnet for political hate who, inexplicably, still has a strong base of support among Democratic voters, much to the consternation of the supporters of her rival.

And most of the people who will be voting in November (accurately) think that Cookiegate is irrelevant and a political "gotcha".

--p!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:38 PM
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2. Most of the people voting in November also think
Wright-Gate, Bowling-Gate, baby-hate-gate, Michelle-gate and Elitist-gate are also political gotcha's and are irrelevant. Depends on who's side of the isle you are on.
Also the only people saying that Obama is lauded as as greatest man since Martin Luther King, possessing the wisdom of the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela combined, one of the nation's top professors of law, a paragon of personal virtue, and the only American holding elected office who is capable of transcending politics? are Hillary supporters who just can't seem to wrap their brains around the fact that some people actually believe Obama would make a better president than Hillary. So they come up with these stupid cult references. I expect Obama to disappoint me on many levels once he is elected. However I just think he will disappoint me less than Hillary.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:12 PM
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7. Wright-Gate will get him in trouble with the republicans
in the G.E., should he get that far. Elite-Gate will get him in trouble with quite a few people in the Midwest and rural areas. The other -Gates? are not issues.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:03 PM
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9. Wright is nothing compared to Haggee
and there is no way the Republicans are stupid enough to put McCain's pastor against Obama's. That is bullshit talk from the Hillary campaign.

Elite gate? What are you kidding? First of all there is no "gate" and second if you aren't "bitter" then you are either stupid or not paying attention. I see these "I'm not bitter" avatars and just laugh.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:04 PM
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6. You've completely missed the point.
Not that that surprises me.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:46 PM
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3. She assumed people were smart enough to get it, and most did.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 12:46 PM by Forkboy
The RW pushed this meme, and now you're pushing it. People with a brain and no agenda got what she meant. :shrug:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:54 PM
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4. You mean like Clinton supporters push the Wright meme?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:55 PM
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5. Yes, the OP is acting exactly like that.
Do you think pushing the Wright meme was cool?
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:45 PM
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8. You are saying exactly what the GOP wingnuts said about this.
Only a trodglytical wingnut would criticize Hillary for those remarks. In fact, the only reason she got criticized for them the first time was because the MSM went out of their way to find some angle from which to attack her for them. And since Tammy Wynette was a wingnut herself, it was no trouble to get her to provide them with the quote they needed to turn HRC's harmless and very true comment into a Jeremiah Wright episode.

The only thing Hillary said that day (not what people imagined her to say, but really said) was that she had a choice whether to be a traditional housewife or to use her intelligence and education to make a difference in the world, to pursue her own professional career, despite having the "handicap" of being a woman.

That's all she said. And anybody who would criticize her for that is nothing but a mean-spirited, right-wing, misogynistic twit.
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