Hillary Uses Holocaust Reference To Jobs Lost in Indiana

[slinkerwink]

The New York Times reports from one of Hillary Clinton's campaign stops in Indiana, that she used the famous Niemoller quote as an allusion to jobs being lost in Indiana. The original quote from Niemoller goes like this:

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Socialist,” goes the version inscribed on a wall at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. “Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Jew,” it continues.

The way Hillary Clinton took this quote and altered it is listed below in the excerpt:

Mrs. Clinton’s version went like this: “They came for the steel companies and nobody said anything,” she intoned. “They came for the auto companies and nobody said anything. They came for the office companies, people who did white-collar service jobs, and no one said anything. And they came for the professional jobs that could be outsourced and nobody said anything. So this is not just about steel,” she finished.

I thought the use of the Niemoller quote in this way was rather classless. Equating the lives of six million Jews lost in the Holocaust with factories going overseas?

[anonymous171]

1. Hillary+NAFTA=perfect attack ad

[Muttocracy]

2. She was 1st Lady and Senator. Did she "say anything"? nt

[slinkerwink]

5. I don't think so

[FrenchieCat]

8. Yes she did. But now, she's saying she didn't say what she did.

In other words, we was one of the "THEY" that comes for you.

[slinkerwink]

11. her husband was the one that lobbied for NAFTA to pass. He came after those people.

[butterfly77]

56. She left out that...

they came for our young men and women for an illegal war and hillary said YES,YES,YES...

[City Lights]

13. Bingo.

:thumbsup:

[Dr.Phool]

39. Uh, Hillary your husband was president when the steel industry collapsed .

He wouldn't impose tariff's to protect it from foreign competition because it was against WTO rules.

Obama should remind people of that.

[anonymous171]

44. Yes, he should.

She's leaving herself sooo open. I'm wondering if she wants Obama to attack her, or thinks he won't attack her or something.

[CoffeeCat]

70. I was thinking the same thing...She wants him to attack!!

My guess is that everyone sees how she bloodied him up in PA, and that she's behaving
like a loony toon ("I'm really winning!"), so if she attacks him---she'll suffer for it.

However, if she can get Obama to attack her---she can come back swinging at him and defend
herself and then step up more attacks.

She'll make it look like he started the attacks, and well....if he's an attack dog, then
she should be able to be an attack dog too!

In my opinion, she just needs to STFU. I really have no patience for her anymore.

It's useless to respond to sheer lunacy that makes no sense. It just needs to stop.

[slinkerwink]

60. that should be an important reminder

[spoony]

3. You've got to be fucking joking.

If you really think that's what she was doing, you've gone beyond partisanship and into full on stupidity.

[jeff30997]

16. What was she referring to?

The Bhagavad Gita ?

[spoony]

22. So, you really think, your political aims aside

that she was, "Equating the lives of six million Jews lost in the Holocaust with factories going overseas?" Instead of, oh I don't know, using a familiar (and way over-used) saying that is quite often co-opted by all sorts of people for all sorts of causes? Really now?

[slinkerwink]

36. yes, it's a very bad construct she used

[nebula]

4. The worst dem candidate in US history

[jeff30997]

21. Bwahahahaah!

:rofl:

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

46. Oh my, that's a scorcher...

[Lady-Damai]

67. Thanks for the pic...

n/t

[nichomachus]

6. Well, nobody in her crowd "said anything"

The elite never do. But there were plenty of people saying things when they came after the mills and the working people.

What a stupid, out of touch thing to say.

Nobody said anything? Sheesh!

[Skittles]

7. um.....when she says NOBODY said anything

that kind of includes her doesn't it? :o

[slinkerwink]

9. I believe that it does.

[Skittles]

18. I never heard that much from ANYONE, just like she says

they're now squawking about the effects but to see people campaigning on what they WILL do, knowing none of them did much of ANYTHING - it is truly sickening

[Skidmore]

10. And Bill signed the legislation that opened the gates for "they."

Hillary did not speak out about alot--then and recently. Remember IWR?

[anonymous171]

14. Obama should hit her on that.

"She had the chance to say something, but didn't. In fact, she supported the administration's efforts."

[slinkerwink]

15. that should be a TV ad.

[QC]

29. He knows better than to do that,

given his own support for "free trade" and the fact that he has the likes of Austan Goolsbee whispering in his ear.

[slinkerwink]

31. you also forget that same story mentioned that Obama would put environmental and labor protections

on any renegotiation of free trade deals. Also, that Clinton campaign contacted Canada about this too.

[QC]

37. Bill Clinton also said he would add labor & enviro. protections to trade deals.

We can see how well that worked out.

Neither candidate has any room to be talking about the impact of so-called "free trade." They are both ardent free traders.

[anonymous171]

33. It's not about support/non-support, it's about her integrity and willingness to lie.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

12. Hillary the lying toad supports NAFTA

how can she sleep at night and if she is now using the Holocaust then she is not worthy of being the nominee.

[slinkerwink]

17. it is rather shameless of her to equate the Holocaust with the jobs going overseas

[cali]

19. she's often surprisingly tone deaf

it's justs a wee bit tacky.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. she is undergoing 'bunker mentality'

[slinkerwink]

45. It's just plain insensitive

[Rosa Luxemburg]

48. Maybe members of the Democratic Party should write to Howard Dean

we as Democratic Party members should write to Howard Dean because this is getting out of hand!

[QC]

20. Is this today's manufactured outrage talking point from Obama hq?

If so, it's a really lame one.

[spoony]

24. Three threads from now, they'll be saying she's a Holocaust denier

It's astonishing how far people will stretch to trash each other at this point.

[QC]

32. A couple more threads and she will have been the commandant of Auschwitz. n/t

[jeff30997]

51. Meanwhile in Hillary land...

Three threads from now, they'll be saying she's Mother Teresa.

[grantcart]

23. I just heard her say "I never intended to run for public office" on Cspan

saw some threads but didn't know what they were talking about.

I now believe that she could stand up there and state in a straight face< "I am from the planet Grotoon and if you don't vote for me the planet will be incinerated".

[anonymous171]

25. SHE'S SWINGING SOOO WIDE!

OBAMA ATTACK HER!

[jeff30997]

34. But,but...

She IS from the planet Grotoon! You don't seriously think that she's human do you ? :P

And about that quote:"I never intended to run for public office".Yeah right.Somebody twisted her

arm to force her to run.Gee!

[newmajority]

26. If you're going to compare the loss of jobs in this country to the words of Niemoller, Hillary....

Then who would that make you and Bill, the ones who embraced NAFTA and other such trade "blitzkriegs"??

**Must resist.....urge....to...Google.....pictures..........**

[slinkerwink]

27. it's a bad construct for her to use

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[nebula]

68. The woman is unhinged.

[zulchzulu]

28. Is there video of this? It sure would make for a nice commercial

She actually thinks her audience is STUPID.

[Maribelle]

30. Hillary's detractors are merely attempting to make it sound like Niemoller, who talked about attacks

In Milton Mayer's book, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (Chicago: Univ. of Chicago Press, 1955, 1966), p. 168f quotes a German professor in "Kronenburg" (probably Frankfurt/Main) whom Mayer interviewed between 1950 and 1954, as follows:

"Pastor Niemöller spoke for thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something--but then it was too late."

[jeff30997]

47. Sure.

Everybody have heard about that interview.And if she had said:

"a date which will live in infamy—the United States of American was suddenly and deliberately

attacked by corporation forces of the Empire of Japan." She wouldn't be referring to President

Roosevelt's quote isn't it? She would be talking about the interview of Joe Schmoe about his book

on WWII.

[dipsydoodle]

38. Rather classless ?

Totally fucking tasteless more like. I have no recall of such an appalling use of paraphrase. Woman needs locking up.

[Arkana]

40. Way to go, Hillary.

Why don't you tell them they'll be obliterated next.

[Pisces]

41. She has become the Enquirer of canidates. She is nothing more than a shock jock.

[madrchsod]

43. fuck that shit--we were fucking screaming and no one listened

since the mid 70`s and i`ve watched my industry go overseas or to mexico..

we heard--- retrain! retrain for the jobs of the future..well where are those jobs? they never existed.

we have had presidents come and go and each time we lost jobs and the last straw was the trade agreement with china and nafta. her fucking husband pounded the last nail in the american workers coffin.

we cost to much for the fucking money class in this country...so buy your fucking cheap shit from china and when it breaks throw it in the trash...

we have as much worth as that cheap ass ten dollar toaster from walmart.

will this shit ever end ........

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. in other countries there would have been all out strikes

the problem is apathy. In other countries for other reasons they've taken to the streets, marched and successfully overturned. The workers could have taken the whole country to a standstill but no, they don't want to be disturbed they don't want to miss the football and American Idol!

[madrchsod]

53. or as in argentina we would go back and restart the factories

well i must admit the problem with that is they sold all the machines to south east asia and what they did`t want they melted down.
we can not make a nuclear plant in this country because we no longer have the machines or material to make them. it is this way across our entire industry..

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. China basically owns us

how can we be in this situation owing billions to the Chinese and we basically depend on them for our goods?

[kenny blankenship]

50. So who does Mrs. NAFTA think is responsible for this holocaust ?

[jeff30997]

52. The evil Japanese Empire of course. n/t

[madrchsod]

54. nah-- it was ourselves who stripped this country of the machines

and the labor to produce "things"......

[undeterred]

59. Best.Name.Evah.forHillary.

[jeff30997]

64. Eva ?

Yea I'm sure that after she loses the nomination she will have her own Broadway musical and sing:

"Don't Cry for Me America".:)

[McCamy Taylor]

57. The Nazis were an extreme version of American corporate fascism.

We see the same kind of genocidal treatment here of African-Americans who are denied equal education, health care, clean environment in which to grow (so that they start life with health problems) and the emotional problems that come from being poor in a land of affluence and who are incarcerated at insane rates. Latino immigrants who live without civil rights are also treated this way. So are women, So are Native Americans---deliberate attempts were made to destroy their cultures. So are gays. The treatment of each group varies somewhat. However the underlying motives are basically the same---consolidation of power in the hands of a few.

In Nazi Germany, the Holocaust included Jews, gays, communists, Gypsies, the physically and mentally handicapped. The purpose was not merely to "purify" the race. There was the same goal as above---the consolidation of power in the hands of a few. The Jews became a convenient scapegoat. Consider that Jewish men married to nonJewish German women were exempted at one point from being rounded up, because the German women applied so much political pressure on the government---they needed and wanted their breadwinner husbands---that it would have been politically untenable for the Nazis to take these men away----and you will see that there was a high degree of political calculation involved. It was not the "Jewishness" that was being punished. It was the otherness. People who were not part of the system were being removed so that the Nazis would have perfect control. Jews became scapegoats, just as the US has had many different scapegoats---often the poor themselves are scapegoated in this country.

Many of the worst acts of inhumanity in recent times have come as a result of capitalist greed. The money owning classes attempting to acquire all the good and wealth, persecuting vulnerable groups because fear will make the masses give up their rights and poverty makes people desperate and desperate people will work for low wages in miserable conditions.

By showing the inhumanity of a system that has rejected the needs of so many Americans, Clinton does not disrespect those who died under Hilter---or Stalin or in Rwanda. She shows that money is the root of all evil. And she draws a line between herself and her more pragmatic husband.

It is no wonder she can not raise money. The Chambers of Commerce put a $60 million bounty on Edwards head when he talked like this.

[undeterred]

58. When are they coming for the Jews at the steel mills?

And who are "they"? Now I'm so confused. :freak:

[slinkerwink]

61. I suppose she's referring to free trade deals

[undeterred]

62. She's either much too tired to be writing her own speeches

or shes gotten into the slave trade. :shrug:

[cottonseed]

63. Perot said something.

And everyone laughed him out of the room without listening to a word he had to say. I don't think he should have been President, but it goes to show that even 16 years ago there was no substantial discussion of subjects (which disproportionately screw the middle class) by any of the crappy news networks whether they be in Cable or the Networks.

One thing I'd like to see during an Obama presidency is a LONG, HARD look at our press in this country. They are not the 4th estate, they are a propaganda arm of the rich and powerful.

That being said, Hillary's use of the quote in this way is insensitive and stupid.

[mmonk]

65. I wouldn't have done it.

Since the Clinton administration was NAFTA, should she have said we instead of they?

[1776Forever]

66. Boy what is next? She is such a lier - take a look at what she did to Buffalo NY! Tata is coming!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3286710&mesg_id=3286786

[unblock]

69. oh come on. neither niemoller nor the 6 million jews own that paragraph structure

unless there's a very key component to this that you've omitted, there is no "equating" going on here.