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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:23 PM
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The Team-Hillary "big state" argument debunked once and for all.
There has been plenty of talk here and everywhere about the Hillary "big state" argument, and it always just makes me laugh at the convoluted logic she and her folks (with plenty of help from the corporate biased media) are trying to feed the public.
First, and most obvious, is the SILLY SEASON argument that since she won CA, OH, and PA (and some others) in this PRIMARY she is the better candidate in these states in the fall. Will HillFolks please stop insulting our intelligence by trying to compare the Apples-PRIMARY to the
Oranges-GENERAL ELECTION. Two very different set of dynamics. In the GE, most Dems will vote for Obama in those states (and probably more I's that Hillary would get.) So the first OBVIOUS flaw is trying to claim a Primary win automatically translates to a GE win. (i.e. Hillary won the primary vote in TX. (though not the caucus). Does that mean she will beat McCain there in the GE? DOUBTFUL! "Big" blue states like CA, NY, MA, NJ, PA will all probably go Dem no matter which of these two are atop the ticket.)

Second, in CA, OH, PA, and TX, (& others) Bill and Hill were FAR better known with far deeper local machine support. She went in with HUGE demographics advantages in these states. That Obama closed
as far as he did given the polarizations and being so unknown going in is a testament to the strenghth of his message and campaign strategy.

Third, states like WI, MO, MN, WA, CT, and VA are also pretty darn big states (in terms of population) and IMPORTANT for the Dem candidate to win, and Obama won them.

Fourth, smaller states like my state of Maine, Vermont, Maryland, Delaware, etc. are also important for the Dem nominee, and he won those.

Fifth, and VERY importantly, we need a candidate who is strongest DOWN-TICKET because we must remember that congressional races and state/local Dem races are critical ! Also, we need to maximize our popular vote totals in the red states. Obama is less polarizing in the GE than Hillary and therefore the stronger down-ticket and popular vote candidate in the GE. ***She has been FOOLISH to say, "Obama's red state wins aren't very important because we won't win there in the GE anyway." She has insulted voters in ALL the states she has lost (she has also dissed the caucus states she has lost - though not NM and NV since she won those two by SMALL margins).

So there it is. Enough of the FLIMSY "big state" argument. A dead Elephant flies further than that ploy.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:26 PM
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1. There you go with those facts and logic again ... Pfft.
If you take that text into the alternate universe (Hillary-Dimension) it turns around the other way.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:32 PM
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2. Only if you invent your own facts like Team-SPINton.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:34 PM
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3. WHAT ABOUT FLORIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA???
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:45 PM
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5. What about it? No campaigns in FL and MI. When there are, Obama will fare as well Hill.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:39 PM
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4. What about Poland.
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