DU this CNN Rev Wright POLL

[OregonBlue]

http://www.cnn.com/

[zerostar]

1. Looks about right to me....

Divisive is how I would describe him...

[donheld]

48. Did you even watch the interview?

[MethuenProgressive]

2. Done! Divisive is far ahead! Thanks!

[Name removed]

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[fedupinBushcountry]

57. This is not a scientific poll

Don't get all excited over a stupid vote as much as you like CNN (it's the media, stupid) poll. Is that chill going up your leg? Sheesh!

[MyNameGoesHere]

3. wow. you supporters of unity hope and change better run over there

and give it some loving. i still do not see why he gave this interview. minds were already made up about the reverend w<R>ight.

[stillcool]

12. You don't understand why...

someone would want to defend himself and his church following a public lynching? He is the media's favorite dog to kick whether he lays down and takes it or not. I think regardless of the consequences, it is important to stand up for oneself.

[guruoo]

24. Which is more important, defending his church, or taking back our country?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

26. his church and his book sales of course

I voted "descriptive" only to try to tilt the poll.

I think he screwed up royally.

[stillcool]

34. Reverend Wright is defending his church...

who is it that is taking back our country?

[guruoo]

36. Who would you like for it to be? n/t

[stillcool]

37. the people?

who else is going to do it?

[guruoo]

43. Which do you mean? "The people" through their elected representatives, or "the people" through

overthrow of the government? O8) :evilfrown:

[stillcool]

47. What do I mean?

I mean that as Senator Obama so aptly puts...change will not come from the top down, it must come from the bottom up. I advocate the "overthrow" of the government through elections. I advocate that 300 million people do more than rely on any one person to do it for them. I advocate that people in their respective states demand that their elections be accurate and secure. Or not. Sometimes people have to hit rock bottom before they are willing to change. Maybe countries do too.

[MyNameGoesHere]

41. Sure stand up and let the thing be opened again?

Surly you have to admit that this is probably something the Obama camp could do without? I am more convinced that w<R>ight is more self serving than ever. Besides I want to hear from Obama's sequestered grandmother. w<R>ight is old news.

[guruoo]

46. IMO, it could go either way at this point...

There's a chance that Obama could turn this appairent disaster into an opportunity.

[stillcool]

49. So bomb threats and death threats...

to a Church that has a membership of over 10,000 people is acceptable because a Presidential candidate frequented the Church? You call that "self serving"? Typical that Obama's grandmother, who is ill and has requested her privacy, is more important to you than the Iraq War, a dead economy, and the crumbling of our society.

[keep_it_real]

4. Done

[Catchawave]

5. 68% divisive

Can DU save him? :silly:

[Tellurian]

17. we'll have to wait until episode # 167

when Rev Wright continues demonstrating his altruism aiding Obama's campaign keeping him afloat.

[guruoo]

44. Divisive, yes. But then again, one doesn't have to be wrong to be divisive.

O8) :evilfrown: :nuke: :grouphug: :nopity:

[Catchawave]

63. Like on the DU ?

:banghead:

[ClassWarrior]

6. Ahhh, so the Freeping is underway...

NGU.

[newmajority]

52. Ah, but it it all Freeps? Or is it Freeps AND Hillbots??

I suspect RimJob & friends had a little help this time. And that's really sickening, if it's true.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Once again, I'm forced to hide every thread that mentions Wright.

Shiny!

[me b zola]

8. Descriptive

[Marlongo]

10. So Wright accurately described 9-11 as the chicken coming home to roost?

Wow.

[Texas Hill Country]

13. which is actually a quotation of Malcolm X, who was not exactly a unity kind of guy.

[me b zola]

23. Again, someone who either didn't listen to the entire sermon

or is being willfully ignorant. If you listen to the sermon, Rev Wright was quoting an American ambassador.

[me b zola]

42. I went and found a link to the sermon for you

Journalist and CNN contributor Roland Martin posted the audio to the sermon.

Listen to Rev. Jeremiah Wright's 9/11 sermon

~snip~
This sermon was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001 and is titled, "The Day of Jerusalem's Fall." Note that the "chickens coming home to roost" comment was attributed not to Wright but former Ambassador to the Iraq, Edward Peck. It comes around the 20-minute mark.

~more @ link including audio to the full sermon~

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/03/listen-to-rev-j.html

[Doityourself]

53. guess, you didn't study Macolm's whole life huh? Go back read how he felt after his trip to Mecca!

[ClassWarrior]

16. So what was 9/11 in your opinion?

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

28. Ahhh, a hit and run by someone with less than 10 posts.

Nuff said.

NGU.

[Adelante]

18. Do you think American foreign policy plays no part?

Has no consequences? Wow.

[Doityourself]

54. Exactly. Some times some Americans arrogance and denial is astounding.

[stillcool]

19. What do you think?

accurate or not?

Blowback
excerpted from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

p8
The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.
p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors that is, terrorists from one country attacking in another."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a CIA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
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Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
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"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowback. Empire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.

The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed
And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it has been throughout history."

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

[me b zola]

27. Thanks for your post

I was just searching for a link to Chalmers Johnson bookBlowback when I scrolled down to see that you have posted it. :hi:

[me b zola]

20. Did you listen to the entire sermon? I did.

Rev Wright was quoting an American ambassador.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Actually, he was quoting a white guy on Fox News.

Funny shit.

[Skip Intro]

9. Wow - 33% Descriptive to 67% Divisive.

Looks like you really cant fool all of the people all of the time.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. looks like most americans disagree with the obama supporters on here

Descriptive 33% 21933
Divisive 67% 45460

[ShortnFiery]

15. No, it just means that the HillBots & Freepers let "that hate" make them flock faster.

to vote in this NON-SCIENTIFIC poll. Or do you also believe in Lou Dobb's questions? :evilgrin:

[Marlongo]

22. What you don't say is that scientific polls also find most Americans disagreeing with Wright

a Rasmussen Reports poll conducted in mid March found that:

Seventy-three percent (73%) of voters say that Wright’s comments are racially divisive. That opinion is held by 77% of White voters and 58% of African-American voters. In addressing the issue, Obama warned against injecting race into the campaign .

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/people2/just_8_have_favorable_opinion_of_pastor_jeremiah_wright

[blogslut]

56. R.I.P.

[stillcool]

21. No. Looks like Americans...

disagree with Reverend Wright's supporters here.

[Upton]

25. 1/3 are Repubs 1/3 are Clinton supporters

both camps are living in the world of sound bites. They could care less what Wright says, they just want it to hurt Obama. The Repubs are expected, the Clinton backers ought to be ashamed.

[shayes51]

30. And both these groups will vote in November.

[ClassWarrior]

33. And considering that we've consistently drawn THREE OR FOUR TIMES the voters...

...that the Rape-Publicans have this election cycle, so what?

NGU.

[TexanDem]

29. 2 to 1 devisive -- why? Should he just sit back, say nothing?

[ClassWarrior]

31. Don't you know? Progressives need to shut up and pretend to be RWers if...

...we EVER want to be elected to ANYTHING.

:eyes:

NGU.

[redqueen]

39. Wooooooooo! Go DLC!

x(

[hokies4ever]

32. Are you still beating your wife?

The CNN poll is dumb. It assumes that inspiration and division are mutually exclusive. I think that parts of Wright's sermons are inspirational. How can anyone listen to his Audacity of Hope sermon and say otherwise. However, some of his comments are divisive. Divisive sells, inspiration bores, so the media will always loop the division over inspiration whenever they can.

[hokies4ever]

35. How's this for poll wording:

Is ALL of Wright's life works, including his HIV/AIDS, homeless shelters, senior citizen efforts, etc. divisive and direly hurting his community?

Do you think that Wright has ever inspired anybody in his life?

Bottom line, is division is more clearly defined than inspiration, and they are not polar opposites.

[me b zola]

38. They took the terms from Wright's speech last night

Wright was mocking a local pundit who had his tightie-whities in a bunch because Wright was going to speak and called the good Reverend "divisive". Wright addressed this and said that he is not divisive, he is descriptive.

IMO, this is one of the fairer polls that cnn has conducted, especially in light of how far cnn has gone to create division. What the poll results reveal, however, is just how far we have to go in this country.

[NoPasaran]

40. Thanks for the link!

Voted for Rev. Divisive!

[Bensthename]

45. Clinton News Network is loving Wright coming out..

A bunch of Old white guys running the show.. They will not stop till Obama is done.

[dugggy]

51. Rev Wright is an A-hole, Obama should break off from him

IMMEDIATELY, before more harm accumulates for the GE.

[BlooInBloo]

55. It's precisely what I would expect of America.

[BobbyVan]

58. Voted "Divisive". Thanks for the link!

[IndianaJones]

59. lots of typical white people voting in that poll. nt.

[WA98296]

60. done. Thanks. It needs help.

[indimuse]

61. HUGE DIVISIVE~

..

[TexasObserver]

62. Rev Wright is the designated whipping boy for the racists who love having one.

They do love to find someone they can appoint as the temporary whipping boy for all their pent up racism, the kind they can't unleash in public any more. If it isn't Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, it has to be somebody.

When a white preacher speaks, he's just exercising his religious right, but when a black man does it, he's speaking for a candidacy.

This is typical of the way the white controlled media hyperventilate about a black man who doesn't "stay in his place." Oh, they do love to trot out a handful of squeaky clean Uncle Toms on the cable news to denounce the big talking NEGRO. If you are black, wear a suit, and are willing to go on TV and castigate Rev Wright, our corporate white media has a job for YOU.

This story is a story for white racists and the handful of blacks employed by white corporate media, whose lives are about being toads for major media concerns.

[dugggy]

64. Rev Wright lives in a white gated area !

Hypocrisy anyone?