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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:36 AM
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What do you think of Rove's advice to Obama?
If what goes around comes around - Karl Rove has some seriously nasty karma heading his way. As an architect of some of Shrub's most militaristic, arrogant, and stupid policies - he has more blood on his hands then most. Rove has now entered into the world of journalistic editorials and I will always believe he has something nefarious up his sleeve.

That being said, I will admit that his advice to Obama was an interesting read. I even agreed on a few points: 1.) His stump speech is sounding old. 2.) Spend (a little) less time campaigning and more time working the Senate. Pick a big issue and fight hard for it. 3.) Stop the attacks.

You will note Rove still makes reference to Obama's inexperience (which is bullshit) and of course can't ever bring himself to be critical of Shrub's administration. Of course, Karl Rove got his ass kicked off that payroll and yet now, he is given this huge soapbox via Newsweek. I dislike the man so much it is very hard to credit him with any advice which may make sense for Obama, that is why as always - I value the perspective of DUers.

What do you think of Rove's advice to Obama? :shrug:

Dear Senator Obama...

<snip>

HERE ARE SIX SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT TO DO.

1. Your stump speech is sounding old and out of touch. You made a mistake by not giving the bored press (and voters) something new last Tuesday when you lost Pennsylvania. Come up with something fresh that's focused on the general election. Recapture the optimistic tone of your start and discard the weary, prickly and distracted tone you've taken on.

2. When you get into trouble, pick one, simple explanation. And stay with it. Take the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. You said you weren't sitting in church when he said those ugly things. Two days later, you excused him, saying his comments didn't give "a well-rounded portrait" of him. Two days after that, you condemned his statements as "not only wrong but divisive" but still couldn't "disavow him" any more than you could your grandmother. Ten days later, you implied if Wright hadn't retired, you might have left his church. It would have been better to say from the start that Wright's words were wrong and offensive and you should have spoken out earlier. The applause would have been deafening.

3. Your lack of achievements undercuts your core themes. It's powerful when you say America is not "Red States or Blue States but the United States." The problem is, you don't have a long Senate record of working across party lines. So build one. In the coming months, say that you'll appoint Republicans to your cabinet and get a couple to say they'd serve. Highlight initiatives Republicans can agree on. Most importantly, push for a bipartisan issue now before Congress.

4. You speak of the "fierce urgency of now" that calls leaders to confront important challenges. Sounds good, but people are asking, what urgent issues have drawn your enormous talents? It's counterintuitive, but spend less time campaigning and more time working the Senate. Pick a big issue and fight hard for it. Win or lose, you'll give your argument substance.

5. Stop the attacks. They undermine your claim to a post-partisan new politics. You soared when you seemed above politics, lost altitude when you did what you criticize. Attacks are momentarily satisfying but ultimately corrode your appeal.

6. To answer growing questions about your inexperience, people need to know, in concrete and credible ways, what they can expect from you as president. That's missing now. And don't think those position papers written by academics and posted on the Web do the job. They have a check-the-box quality to them. Americans want to see your passion and commitment to things they care about, in ways that give them confidence you're up to the job. They can smell when something is poll-tested and focus-grouped, not from the heart. Also, you can't bluff anymore like you did on "Meet the Press" in October 2006. (You weren't officially running for president yet, but it's still telling.) Tim Russert pointed to the passage in "The Audacity of Hope" that says "no small number of government programs don't work as advertised," and he asked for an example. You cited Medicaid and Medicare, saying: "I think that there's no doubt that we could squeeze more efficiencies out of those systems there. Simple example, we don't use electronic billing for Medicare and Medicaid providers. Now there's no other business on earth that still has people filling out paper forms to get reimbursed, especially for a system that large. We could drastically reduce the costs of those systems."

complete article here:

http://barack-obama-news.newslib.com/story/634-3240390/
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:38 AM
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1. No offense to the OP.. But who really gives a rats ass about Rove?
If he were to die today or tomorrow it would be one less slim ball in the world.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:38 AM
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2. President Obama's advice to Rove..."You better hide piggy cuz' if I find you you're going' to jail"
...Fuck that porcine sack of shit...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:39 AM
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3. I don't see how anything Rove "advises" with respect to any democrat would be relevent.
One good thing about Karl Rove: you always know where he stands. And he has a dream to destroy the two-party system by eliminating one party: the democratic party. He has never made this a secret, never denied it. It's been with him since before Nixon.

So knowing what we know, why should he be considered at all? Kinda like the old joke of "Hi! I'm from the IRS and I'm here to help you!"
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:39 AM
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4. Advice to Rove..
Get a mind and a heart. You really
can overcome your reptilian instincts.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:39 AM
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5. Rove should be in jail seeking Obama's legal advice.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:42 AM
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6. Rove only serves the RW
If you keep this in mind, his comments or suggestions to Obama can be viewed in full light. I hope people are doing this, or better yet, don't even read it. Rove should be a non-topic.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:50 AM
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10. He has manipulated his way into Newsweek
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 10:50 AM by RiverStone
And though I condemn the man as a rat bastard who deserves to be locked up, I also think he is skilled at subtle and overt fear mongering which will make its way to millions of viewers.

I may be in the minority opinion on this, but I don't think we can simply ignore him. He will offer a few tibits of advice which makes sense, only to lure readers into believing he makes sense. Like I said in the OP, I think Rove's only agenda is a bad one.

Yet is it best to ignore or respond to such an architect of evil when in particular, he is given such a wide soapbox to spew his opinions from?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:12 PM
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15. Rock and a hard place
I subscribe to the know thine enemy theory of thought, without question. I'm just so sick of him my knee jerk reaction is to NOT listen or read anything. But you are right, of course, we need to fully vet everything he says and nip all the lies in the bud.

He is like the devil himself, offer some sense to lure, indeed.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:42 AM
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7. It's a hit piece regardless of the flowery words. I would
never have posted one word of 'advice' Rove has for either candidate, because we know he has motives for doing so.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:57 AM
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11. Light is the best disinfectant
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 11:00 AM by RiverStone
Should the Dems have a response when the corporate media whores are sleeping with the enemy?

I understand your point sister, my Op's purpose was to acknowledge that Rove and Newsweek have created a partnership and like it or not, this gives a master manipulator huge access to TV's. We know Rove's agenda, but we pay attention.

My concern is that John Q. public will actually believe because Rove is no longer employed by Shurb, that he no longer works for him. Yea right! :sarcasm:

Do we call him on it or not?

Know thy enemy...

In any case, this thread will likely sink fast - so Rove will be off the front page in a minute or two.

peace~:)
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:45 AM
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8. Only Good For the Republican Party
Rove cares nothing for Obama. Don't deal with the devil.....
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:47 AM
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9. Rove wanted Obama to beat Clinton. The GOP is drooling over having Pastor Obama as the opposition.
2. When you get into trouble, pick one, simple explanation. And stay with it. Take the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. You said you weren't sitting in church when he said those ugly things. Two days later, you excused him, saying his comments didn't give "a well-rounded portrait" of him. Two days after that, you condemned his statements as "not only wrong but divisive" but still couldn't "disavow him" any more than you could your grandmother. Ten days later, you implied if Wright hadn't retired, you might have left his church. It would have been better to say from the start that Wright's words were wrong and offensive and you should have spoken out earlier. The applause would have been deafening.

3. Your lack of achievements undercuts your core themes. It's powerful when you say America is not "Red States or Blue States but the United States." The problem is, you don't have a long Senate record of working across party lines. So build one. In the coming months, say that you'll appoint Republicans to your cabinet and get a couple to say they'd serve. Highlight initiatives Republicans can agree on. Most importantly, push for a bipartisan issue now before Congress.

5. Stop the attacks. They undermine your claim to a post-partisan new politics. You soared when you seemed above politics, lost altitude when you did what you criticize. Attacks are momentarily satisfying but ultimately corrode your appeal.

Sounds there like Rove knows BO better than Axlerod does.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:02 AM
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13. You are so
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:25 AM
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14. I repeat: "Sounds there like Rove knows BO better than Axlerod does."
Rove, Drudge, Novak, FOX, Bloomberg - nah, no pattern there!
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:02 AM
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12. I agree with #1..
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