AP headline; Poll: Clinton has better chance than Obama of beating McCain

[rodeodance]

AP headline; Poll: Clinton has better chance than Obama of beating McCain




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll_2


By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer Mon Apr 28, 11:10 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has a better chance than Barack Obama of beating Republican John McCain, according to a new Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable in the fall than her rival for the Democratic nomination.


The survey released Monday gives Clinton a fresh talking point as she works to convince pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.

Clinton, who won the Pennsylvania primary last week, has gained ground this month in a hypothetical head-to-head match up with the GOP nominee-in-waiting; she now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.

[futureliveshere]

1. Only in la-la land she does!!! But whatever makes you feel better rodeo.

[rodeodance]

5. The AP headline will go around the world.

[futureliveshere]

13. Nope, sorry for you but its the "OBLITERATE" dialogue thats gone around the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5720404

[rodeodance]

18. old news. mr. wright is news these days

[Hoof Hearted]

95. Is that how you get yourself to sleep? I didn't hear a damn thing about obliterate

in any of the media the voters pay attention to but R.Wright? He's EVERYWHERE.

I LOVE him!

[PoliticalAmazon]

68. ITA. She has not been vetted. Bill's DickGates and Hillary's LesbianGate will be used....

...like a sledgehammer by the GOP.

[rodeodance]

71. oh give it a REST!! stupidity reigns high with Obama fans when he polls are down!!

[PoliticalAmazon]

74. Do you deny that the GOP will use Bill's DickGates and Hillary's Lesbian Rumors Against Her?...

...They will use them in a heartbeat because a large number of Americans well remember the turmoil of the Clinton administration and Bill's problems controlling his dick. In addition, there are a large number of homophobes who will not vote for a candidate, especially one they didn't like to start with, if there are persistent rumors of being gay.

Hillary has been bigot-pandering for months. If she shoves her way onto the Dem ticket, she will be the target of bigot-panderers herself. Let's see how much she likes it.

Finally, if all you can muster is ad hominem attacks, why do you bother? Ad hominem attacks are a sign of a weak poster.

[rodeodance]

76. i think both are old news --they will try but it will plunk!!

[PoliticalAmazon]

114. Wrong. Many voters remember the trauma and drama of the Clinton administration....

...and don't want that to happen again.

Hillary, who has run on the WJC administration, will be saddled with all of the bad of that administration, too.

After all, she used HER money to pay off Paula Jones. Bill Clinton didn't pay a dime.

[JoFerret]

99. It's a headline

No need to be nasty

[book_worm]

2. In this poll, not so in others--as usual it all depends on the poll.

[rodeodance]

11. correct. but I love the HEAD LINE

[JackORoses]

3. actually she has a worse chance since you have to be the Nominee to participate in the GE

and since polls do not the determine the Nominee, she is shit out of luck.

She trails in every measure that matters. Delegates, States, Popular Vote.

The MSM is trying to force Hillary on the People.
She is being wholeheartedly rejected.

[rodeodance]

27. Thank you for you concern

[LSparkle]

4. So we're supposed to let the POLLS pick our nominee?

No way.

[rodeodance]

9. Such a silly conclusion on your part. silly silly

[LSparkle]

29. Just wait -- the polls change by the day .. by the end of the week

Obama will be beating her and McCain....

[rodeodance]

43. ~~~waiting~~

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. absolutely!!!

[rodeodance]

22. Lovely day to read the headlines for Hillary.

[bluestateguy]

7. I have never, NEVER been polled. Ever.

Who are these phantom people?

I'm going to call up one of these polling companies and demand to be represented. I will DEMAND to be polled.

[rodeodance]

51. go for it.

[SeaLyons]

8. K&R

[rodeodance]

91. :-)

[Galway girl]

10. Nice photo how old is Hrc in that ?

[rodeodance]

14. the black and white one?---I do not know. It is a lovely photo.

[ronnykmarshall]

86. The top was is w/ Mary Wilson of the Supremes this past summer.

The other was taken in 1999 or '98.

[rodeodance]

93. thanks RM

[tridim]

12. Doom, check

Gloom, check.

[Birthmark]

15. Neither candidate is doing well.

That's one poll. It's also the largest I've seen. I cannot fathom how anyone can consider either Obama or Clinton viable candidates when they are polling even with (or slightly ahead of) a Republican candidate that endorses the policies of the failed Bush Administration. It's incredible!

[frickaline]

75. its very sad but Americans just don't seem to learn

[Triana]

100. True. McSame ought to be in the shitter. That begs the question:

who controls the polls?
the media?
the dialog?
the news?
the elections?
the voting machines?
who is and is not allowed to vote and why?

not you.
not me.
not us voters....we're just along for the 'ride' - we don't get to steer this thing. not one bit.

[redqueen]

16. Were there any of these headlines when results indicated that Obama had more of a lead on McCain?

Just curious...

[rodeodance]

20. He is your candidate--go find them

[redqueen]

25. Nope! The M$M never saw fit to post a headline like that when Obama was doing better in polls.

Gee... that's pretty weird, huh?

[rodeodance]

62. tsk tsk

[spanone]

17. and tomorrow it will be....and the day after that it will be..and the.......such meaningless drivel

[Barack_America]

21. Exactly. I'm curious to see the response to Obliter-gate...

If the media ever gets around to covering it...

:eyes:

[redqueen]

23. A very small number in media will cover it.

In a few articles here and there.

While the mighty wurlitzer goes on with its full-court-press against Wright.

[rodeodance]

24. old news. its gone. sure it made some headlines. but mostly it was a DU thingy.

[redqueen]

26. Mostly a DU thingy?

:spray:

[rodeodance]

32. yup!!--for the most part is was.

[Barack_America]

28. Thanks for responding. How do you feel that your candidate threatened to "obliterate"...

...another country, causing a minor international uproar?

Appropriate?

[rodeodance]

55. It see it within the context of her strong foreign policy which recognizes we

have dangerous enemies out there.

[futureliveshere]

30. "DU" Thingy. PUHLEEZE..Didnt you read the link I posted above?

[rodeodance]

42. i had already seen most of those OLD headlines. What is your point??

[futureliveshere]

47. That it was not just a DU thingy. It resonated across the world.

[rodeodance]

56. and??

[dcindian]

19. must mean she has less than zero chance against Mcshame

since she has already lost to Obama

[rodeodance]

77. Obamabubble land is talking.

[Texas Hill Country]

31. nice!

[BlueIdaho]

33. For the moment she's a media darling

That helps with short term polling. When the media decides its her turn in the barrel again (and they will) the polls will reflect that too. We are a LONG way away from November.

[rodeodance]

67. embrace the moment.

[BlueIdaho]

89. Just don't fall in love with it.

The media loves a horse race - and the talking heads love paychecks even more. As soon as it seems she might pull this off - they will pull the rug out from under her.

[rodeodance]

92. we all know that

[BuyingThyme]

34. I wonder how much they paid for this story.

And which "they" did the paying.

[rodeodance]

39. PATHETIC --bitter post from you. No substance.

[BuyingThyme]

40. Hillbots will be using this non-stop now.

It's not a coincidence.

Neither is the fact that every time I listen to top-of-the hour radio news, they talk about things like bitter and Wright.

[rodeodance]

45. Why such a crappy posts from you?? Get a grip. bye

[BuyingThyme]

46. This strategy whereby you try to make a point by calling posts crappy

should be used a bit more sparingly.

[rodeodance]

48. stop posting crap on a positive thread and i will stop calling the post crappy.

[BuyingThyme]

50. I post truth. Truth drives some people crazy.

[rodeodance]

53. OK --what is your evidence that "they" paid for the AP story??

........Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject I wonder how much they paid for this story.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5720579#5720876
5720876, I wonder how much they paid for this story.
Posted by BuyingThyme on Mon Apr-28-08 02:50 PM

And which "they" did the paying.

[BuyingThyme]

54. I don't know if it was Hillary or the Republicans.

But the people who write these stories are generally paid by Republicans. Almost exclusively, actually.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Hillary Clinton is not a Republican -- because she is. I'm just saying that I'm not so sure she could set this thing up as easily as the RNC could.

[rodeodance]

58. There is a forum for your conspiracy theories.

......I don't know if it was Hillary or the Republicans.
Posted by BuyingThyme


But the people who write these stories are generally paid by Republicans. Almost exclusively, actually.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Hillary Clinton is not a Republican -- because she is. I'm just saying that I'm not so sure she could set this thing up as easily as the RNC could.

[BuyingThyme]

60. Not a theory. The major "news" media are controlled by Republicans.

That's why Hillary has been opening channels with the Murdochs and Scaiffes of the world. She's a player.

[rodeodance]

70. you still have given NO evidence of your specific claim.

[backscatter712]

35. That's the fascist media for you.

They're afraid the gravy train's coming to an end.

They say that Hillary can more easily beat McCain, because they know the real facts are the exact opposite.

[rodeodance]

38. get some sunshine. It is great for sour grapes.

[krkaufman]

108. Well, what I find hilarious is that one poll finally gives her a higher number ...

... and the article frames the poll as authoritative -- ignoring the margin of error and the fact that every other poll has consistently shown Obama to be the stronger candidate. The *best* spin that could have been honestly reported in the article is that Clinton *is* doing a bit better in recent days, keeping her campaign hopes alive.

The problem for Hillary is, she needs to win every primary from her on out in order to even be in a position for the superdelegates to then steal the election for her, ala the 2000 SCOTUS decision (strictly legal, but contrary to the will of the voters).

[dpbrown]

36. Of course she does... at least her skeletons have been vetted

Obama's going to get his ass handed to him by the Republicans.

[Hoof Hearted]

97. Turns out he got his ass handed to him by his own preacher.

DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!

:rofl:

[dpbrown]

109. Like the Republicans were going to just let that slide...

Geez.

[rodeodance]

37. **AP headline: Clinton highlights Obama's objection to gas tax holiday (in NC today).

AP headline: Clinton highlights Obama's objection to gas tax holiday (in NC today).


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/democrats;_ylt=AkqvPfemjrkEeb2ea6TM8qCs0NUE

By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer Mon Apr 28, 11:03 AM ET

GRAHAM, N.C. - Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday criticized Barack Obama for opposing the concept of suspending the gas tax during the peak summer driving months, ……..


………….

Obama does not support the "gas tax holiday" and has said the average motorist would not benefit significantly from such a suspension; by some estimates, the federal government would lose about $10 billion in revenue.

"My opponent, Senator Obama, opposes giving consumers a break," Clinton said, campaigning in North Carolina. "I understand the American people need some relief."

Clinton said she would make up the difference in revenue by imposing a "windfall profits tax" on oil companies.

"If we suspended it and made up the lost revenues, that's the best of both worlds," she said.

[Doc7]

41. See, I Just Love The Way They Continue To

Discount the black vote in this country. If Hillary somehow gets the nomination, which she won't, very few black people in this country will vote for her in the GE, and she'll sink like a rock.

Without the black vote, she's completely unelectable. So your poll doesn't mean a damned thing.

[rodeodance]

66. Have a nice day

[rodeodance]

44. **CITIZEN-TIMES: Hillary visits Asheville NC

Good pics and story








http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=hillary

[Hoof Hearted]

98. I miss Ashville and the Maggie Valley area. Sure would be fun to still live there now.

I miss Avon and Buxton too.


Great links!

[Beacool]

49. We knew that already!!!

That photo of Hillary on the Truman balcony is one of my favorite pics from her days at the White House. It's from the Annie Leibovitz spread she did of Hillary for Vogue.

[rodeodance]

61. Thanks for the infor about the photo. very much appreciated.

[Beacool]

102. You're welcome!!

BTW, the original is in color.

[Quixote1818]

52. And when Hillary was under attack a couple of months ago Obama was polling better

than McCain. Once Hillary is out of the race and stops attacking Obama, his numbers will go back up. Get it? :nopity:

[rodeodance]

59. I get it---you are sour grapes

.........And when Hillary was under attack a couple of months ago Obama was polling better
Posted by Quixote1818


than McCain. Once Hillary is out of the race and stops attacking Obama, his numbers will go back up. Get it?

[Apollo11]

57. Other polling organisations need to get behind this trend

Rasmussen Reports tracking poll is totally failing to let Hillary's strength shine through!

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

[rodeodance]

64. that pollster has them playing tag as i recall.

[Usrename]

104. Pollster.com

The state-by-state races are the most interesting, though.

[avrdream]

63. Sweeeeeeet!

[rodeodance]

65. yes, that is an excellant word for the OP

[MojoMojoMojo]

69. Facter in the "Bradley Effect " and its actually Mccain 60% Obama 40%

[Maven]

72. What a great picture!

Oh, and K/R. :)

[rodeodance]

73. thanks. someone upstream gives response where it came from.

[beachmom]

78. The GOP have been actively carrying water for her. If suddently she were the nominee

watch her numbers TANK much lower than Obama's.

[rodeodance]

80. oh PUF*******

[zabet]

79. k and r

:hi:

[ihelpu2see]

81. Rass. has McCain beating Sen. Clinton by 3 so take your pick. I think, looking at other

polls the AP poll is an outlier.

[bigtree]

82. what a wonderful photo of the First Lady

amazing poll. never seen that before.

[Butch350]

83. Your Gonna See Lots of Changes in the Polls B4 It's Over!!!

[Butch350]

84. Come Sister Soldiers for Clinton

Put Bill back in the WH so he can finish peckerizing the rest babes in the WH. But that won't happen!

There will be no more Clintons in the WH - youd better cozy up to that fact!

[rodeodance]

85. You text sounds like a RW smear. You are no better than them

[Indenturedebtor]

87. Wait I thought this thread was about

I thought this thread was about a Potato sack race?

Is that what they do when the primaries are over? If so I wanna play too! :bounce:

[rockymountaindem]

88. I don't believe that for a second

The number of people in the midwest and west (and I'm sure plenty of other places) who are still caught up in their irrational hatred of all things Clinton is too high for her to ever win. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[palindrome]

90. It's a good thing she didn't drop out no matter which side you're on.

It's good to still have a choice if we want to win in Nov.

I gave her 10 bucks. If I can I'll hook her up when the stimulus checks get here. Is that legal?

[crimsonblue]

94. So I guess that leading in popular vote, delegates, and money doesn't help Obama?

Sheesh.. when this is all she has to "tout", then it is time for the bitch to exit stage left ASAP.

[Hoof Hearted]

96. K & R Rodeo! Three cheers for ~THE LADY~ and OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[eridani]

101. Bullshit. The Rethugs will kill her with Tuzla

She inspires the Rethugs to vote against her, and depresses enthusiasm in Dems.

[jgraz]

106. They won't even get to Tuzla. It'll be The Clenis 24/7.

[samsingh]

103. what about the zogby poll that says the exact opposite?

[yellowcanine]

105. Truth is these GE polls are virtually worthless now. Too much can happen.

How the conventions go, what happens with the economy, the Iraq war, which issues rise to the top in the GE. And then to compare two hypothetical match-ups, it just doesn't make any sense. One thing is for sure, if Obama supporters think that he got the shaft and Hillary wins mainly on the strength of super delegates, a lot of those supporters will stay home and Hillary will have a harder time winning. OTOH, if Obama continues to lead and captures the nomination, Hillary supporters will have less incentive to stay home.

[krkaufman]

107. Love the picture of the elitest of the elite, there.

[CatsDogsBabies]

110. She is not going to be the nominee so she doesn't have a better chance

[CatsDogsBabies]

111. She is not going to be the nominee so she doesn't have a better chance

[LulaMay]

112. Of course she does! Love the picture.

[JAbuchan08]

113. THe entire media has been a giant push poll for Hillary Clinton

practically since the beginning of the election (until the voters interfered), but particularly over the last few months.

[palindrome]

115. ...right.