Reading some of these Rev Wright posts, really got me to thinking!

[Tim4319]

It is extremely funny how the words from one person can have an effect on another person. But, the words and actions of some other people do not have as much effect on themselves.

Please allow me to elaberate! Rev. Wright's statements have people on the fence whether or not they want to vote for Barak Obama. People are basing whether or not they are going to vote for Obama because of the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Not anything that Barak did or said! Not on where he stands on education, the job market, the housing market, the price of gas! But the words of his pastor? You mean to tell me that whether or not I get hired for a job depends on a few comments my pastor made? If that was the case, I believe no one would have a job.

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton can lie about being shot at, on numerous occasions. Financially mismanage her campaign, and threaten to "obliterate" Iran, and this seems to get overlooked, so that people can rush back to talk about Rev. Wright.

John McCain, who is all over the place on his issues, one time he iopposed the invading Iraq, then he wants to keep troops their for 100 years. He was against the MLK Holiday, then it took him 20 years, finally vote for the Holiday, and address it 40 years after King's death. He also has no intentions on helping out people who are in jeopardy of loosing their homes and extending the tax cuts. But these issues are nowhere near as important as what Rev. Jeremiah Wright has to say.

Can some please help me understand this a little better? If Bush can get relected after having connections to the Bin Laden family, then why not give Obama a chance? Not to mention, Rev. Wright was invited to the White House while Bill was in the middle of the whole Monica Lewinsky saga!

[redqueen]

1. Great post... I'm not sure why people are so willing to follow the M$M's cues.

Especially now, after all we've been through...

:shrug:

[Tim4319]

8. Thank you!

From time-to-time I will listen to Hannity just to see what the talking points are. What I find strange is, many of the talking points he uses, I read from the DU Nation.

[noel711]

2. Why does the MSM have the influence?

Because we allow them to...

why do we smoke?

Why do we eat fast food?

Why do we shop at WAlMart?

Because they are there.. and we are encouraged to 'partake.'

Turn it off; YOU have the power. Walk away..

And use your own brain to think.. don't let them think for you.

[Tim4319]

26. People are weak minded and lazy

People's mindset is, if I can see it, it must be true! People will not research things on their own, too much work. Just repeat what Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, or CBS news say! They are "all-knowing"!

[stillcool]

43. After seeing what happened to

ABC, I don't know if that holds much water anymore. People here are blowing it up as far as they can, before it pops in their face. It is trash and bash politics. I've been in the 'watch what happens' mode, ever since Iowa. So far the American people have surprised me, and I'm proud of them.

[SurfingAtWork]

3. Well, I for one, decided today that I will not be voting for

Rev Wright in November. Just no way I can now.

[Tim4319]

4. Me neither!

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. Some of us remember the civil rights era differently. Wright threatens

a return to urban violence with his appeal to ethnic pride.

[redqueen]

6. WHAT?!

What the fuck do you mean by that?

[Fredda Weinberg]

24. Go look up what happened in Detroit, Chicago, NY, LA in the 60's

And the threat remains. We don't need ethnic hatred stirred up for political purposes.

[redqueen]

29. That wasn't ethnic. Nobody is stirring up ethnic hatred. (nt)

[stillcool]

36. It's too late...

race has been used since the very beginning of this campaign. I think present day racism does not have the power it once had. Perhaps things changed more than people are willing to admit. When one looks back at this time we are in now I wonder what they will see. Somehow, we never know where we are, until after we have moved on, but then, some of us never move on.

[CakeGrrl]

13. "Scary black people rising up against the white man!!!!"

You know, I'm pretty sure Jon Stewart was being facetious when he asked Obama if his plan was to "enslave the white race", but the sad thing is that I knew that there was plenty of "Fear of a Black Planet" out there to make that not such a ridiculous idea to debunk.

And heeeeeeeere it is.

[Fredda Weinberg]

23. Your mockery only reinforces the threat to our party n/t

[Tim4319]

16. No, hidden inequality if doing a good enough job!

[DerekJ]

17. You again?!!!!! Did you even watch his NAACP speech?!!

[EmilyAnne]

19. Yes, I'm sure that Wright and many other blacks Americans remember the civil rights era

differently. Urban violence did not stem from ethnic pride, by the way. It sprang from exposed injustices. Now, much of urban violence stems from poverty, ignorance and drug use....NOTHINNG to do with ethnic pride. Your claim is absurd.

[sandnsea]

28. You are an ugly being

I was going to say human being, but that would put you in the same category as people with souls.

[CBGLuthier]

7. I can explain it

It's called an excuse so those who don't vote for him, once he is the nominee, can pretend that it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

And I defy anyone to prove otherwise 'cause you know in your hearts it's the truth.

[Tim4319]

12. That is so true!

[Saturday]

9. Not anything Obama did or said? Really?

I believe Obama sat in Wright's church for 20 years listening to hate speech. BO did that. I believe Obama put Wright on his campaign comittee and paid him. BO did that. I believe Obama considered Wright his mentor. BO did that. Get a clue. He is TOTALLY connected to Wright whether you want to think so or not. Bad judgment on Obama's part because now Wright threw him under the bus.

[redqueen]

11. No... cheering NAFTA is bad judgment... glomming on to McCain's gas tax repeal is bad judgment...

sitting in a church despite the fact that you disagree with some things the pastor said once in a blue moon - that's manufactroversy, and nobody's buying it but the lemmings.

[Tim4319]

38. True

[Tim4319]

14. Yes he was a member for 20 years.

As a lawyer and Senator, it was impossible for him to hear every sermon. I am no where near as busy as a lawyer/Senator and I have not heard all of my pastors sermons. Plus, it is extremely rare where we discuss the sermon more than a day or two after service, and that was if the service was extemely hard-hitting.

Plus, if you want to play the six degrees of seperation game, how come Hillary is still married to Bill? How many times has he cheated on her? What did she say about you can choose you pastor, but not your family? Will, new flash, you can choose your husbands too!

[LakeSamish706]

15. Before you tie into Obama, you need to go watch the video of your candidate.... see below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5721555

[TheDoorbellRang]

20. Calling Wright's total body of work hate speech shows you have bought the M$M lies

If you had gone the extra step and listened to his sermons or watched his interview on Bill Moyers or watched his speech for the NAACP, you would know that "hate speech" is a RW slur against Rev. Wright.

You are a sad individual.

[EmilyAnne]

21. Do you even know what "hate speech" is?

Jeez. Mentor, my ass. The world isn't Star Wars, buddy. You can have friends, you can even be influenced by those friends, yet disagree with them on many points.

[damonm]

32. "Hate speech" - have you actually ever

LISTENED to Rev. Wright? ALL he said - not just the soundbites the MSM wants you to hear?
If you have not, and you call that hate speech, then welcome to Pat Buchanan's club - in a column of his in yesterday's paper, he calls Wright "an anti-American berserker", just like he knew what that meant.

[Shine]

10. Sadly and cynically, I think it's about ratings, pure and simple.

I think it behooves the MSM to maintain the division within the Dem party, to keep things "interesting". :grr:

I think Obama really needs to focus on speaking to the issues Americans care about and not get distracted by Wright and what he is doing.

[OHdem10]

18. I hope this helps. McCain and Clinton have been around

for years. Americans have the notion that they know them.
Therefore the Media can go breathless trying to tar either
of them and a lot of it does not stick --not stick and stay.

What the Left and the Media have never gotten, or chosen not
to believe is Hilary has never been as disliked as the DC
Media wishes her to be. Believe it or not a lot of average
Americans see the Media attacking and their reaction is: Oh,
there go the Media after the Clintons again. Many see Hillary
as being treated unfairly. The same goes for President Clinton.

It is the Media and the Fundies who really hate the Clintons.
(only a small part of the Republican Party.)


Obama is new. Anytime a new Person comes onto the stage--it is
much easier to smear them and make things stick. In Obama's case
the Rev. Wright Problem and the "Bitter" incident were his own
making. Because people do not know him, there is more chance
this sort of thing clings to him.

Yes, Hillary and McCain have their own situations, but people
have made up their minds about them and not be concerned with
distractions.

This is just the way things work. It may not seem fair. Hillary
has her share of attacks over the years and so has McCain.

[Bensthename]

27. It still make no sense to attack a man over some one elses words.

The bitter issue, we just waited it out.. But Wright,, those are not Obama's words and he has done more then enough to overcome this.

And like the OP states. McCain and Hillary's OWN WORDS have not even been used atgainst them..

Something just isnt right here.

[Bensthename]

22. Ummmm, what are you doing listening in on my personal thoughts?

I've been constantly wondering the exact damn thing for a couple of months now..

It makes totally no sense.. They are out to bring Obama down for some damn reason.

He is the best we have now and have had in a long time and they want to take him down..

Is it ratings, MSM behind Hillary for some dark reason, is it a bunch of real elitists scared of his daringness to kick out the lobbyists?

I really dont know either but it is pissing me off.

[Tim4319]

34. It was something I have been thinking about for a long time.

I finally posted it! I was frustrated to the point to I posted it at this moment.

[Uben]

25. This Clinton supporter.........

......does not think Obama is responsible for anything Wright says or does. Afterall, he has no control over the fella. By the same token, Sen Clinton has a campaign manager who handles that aspect of her campaign, so to put that on her is just as ridiculous.
A lot of campaigns run in the red and make it up afterwards, that is not uncommon. The problems are being caused by every one of you here that keep harping on the two subjects. To be honest, I don't give a shit what you do. Whatever floats your boat is okay with me because this is an internet forum where everyone is anonymous.

Our candidates hold basically the same positions politically, so to a lot of us, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer Clinton because I think she is most likely to get things done for people who have been stepped on by the Bush administration. I believe Obama will work towards those ends, as well, but I believe Clinton would have more success. That, of course, is my opinion based on what I know and have read, and I fully understand that some of you have completely differing opinions.

I do understand that Obama supporters think their candidate is their best chance for change, and I applaud them for sticking by their man, so to say. Don't tell me Clinton has to drop out, she doesn't. Don't tell me this race is not close, it is. It will be over soon enough and we can all get on with getting our nomninee elected. If you don't want to participate because your candidate did not get selected, that's your priviledge.

For those of you who think it is cute to continue exchanging barbs with members of the other camp, get a fucking life! Your bitchin aint gonna change anybody's mind, and you are not going to receive any awards for being "Asshole of the week!" It only serves to make you look adolescent and ignorant. I am not addressing any one particular camp, cuz we all know it's both of them involved.

[Bensthename]

31. As an Obama supporter..

I agree with you.. Though Hillary does seem to get more of a free ride in my view.
I just cant wait for someone to win this so we can focus on McCain..

[IndependentDem]

37. well said...

your post deserves its own thread. I may not agree with everything you said but i do agree with your general message. :thumbsup:

[Uben]

39. Thanks

For some odd reason I cannot figure out, I have often not been able to start an original thread since the primaries started. It sems to happen more in times of heavy traffic here. I find threads that I can respond to where I can get my messoge in, though!

I'm an old-timer here, been around since this place started in 2001. Those of us who have been here a while have become quite used to being on the losing side, but, we don't give up. There will always be another battle to fight. Any dem in the whitehouse is better than any republican, and we really had a great field of candidates this year. I was disappointed Edwards didn't do better, but I realize this is the "first woman" or the "first African American" election year. I think he figured that out early, and did the smart thing and got out. I sure wish he would consider a VP spot, but he probably wants to spend more time with his wife, since she has cancer. My wife got breast cancer in 2003. I retired to spend as much time as I could with her because we were financially able to do so. She is now a five year survivor, and things look really good for her

[Tim4319]

40. Wow, you and your are both in my prayers!

[futureliveshere]

42. That was very well said.. I totally agree.

As an Obama supporter I don't agree with all of it, but the spirit in which you write is much appreciated. I agree that we should all look beyond this childish barb trading and focus on McConfused more.

My prayers are with you and your loved ones. I hope your wife continues to have things looking good for her.

[Vapor Trails]

30. Great post! Nailed it. n/t

[Tim4319]

45. Thank you! And welcome.

[EFerrari]

33. I've been trying to figure out all the groups that the corporate media

are offending by their behavior today.

Some possibilities:

real progressives
black people
churchgoing people
people who work in a ministry
other people of color who belong to a minority
educated people

eta: the independent media


That's a lot of people. How in the world can we ignore that those groups together are much more powerful than any of us alone? How in the world can we allow these corporate whores to isolate either Jeremiah Wright or Obama?

[Secret_Society]

35. Politics and the media cycle in a screwy real world

[futureliveshere]

41. Great post sir. This is really the question to ask.

I am thankful that at least some of us still have a sense of perspective about this.

[Tim4319]

44. Thank you!