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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:10 PM
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Myths That Must Die: Voter Fraud is not Election Fraud.
This is a general discussion about elections, not about the primary.

Today the GOP-controlled media decided to spend a minute on the Supremes' decision on Indiana's voter I.D. law.

All day long (between Hannah Montana's nudity and Reverend Wright's ebonics) the GOP-controlled media tossed out sound bites about "voter fraud", without ever discussing the bigger problem of "election fraud".

I listened. I didn't hear anyone talk about how voters could be prevented from voting, but heard all day long about how voters were breaking the law somehow with all their voting.

A Washington Post oped piece talked about a study on Voter Fraud shows a vat chasm of nothing. While Common Dreams links to a study that found widespread Election[/i> Fraud].

The term "voter fraud" and the idea of "election fraud" are either the same or different as it suits the GOP-controlled media. And more often than not, the talking heads will deliberately confuse the two.

I want this myth to die.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:14 PM
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1. Voter Fraud is a Karl Rove invention.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:23 PM
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3. Exactly!
Some people may commit voter fraud (Ann Coulter comes to mind) but it is no where nearly as common as the GOP makes it out to be,
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:17 PM
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2. Voter Fraud is Operation Chaos times 50
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:24 PM
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4. Election Fraud is Operation Chaos...
...voter fraud doesn't exist to the extent the GOP says it does.

The cake (and voter fraud) are both lies.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:37 PM
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5. If ever there was a need for something "comprehensive"
this subject would be it. FIX. IT. ALL. Voting and Election fraud.

But that would make to much sense to those that want the least amount of it possible--our friends in Washington. <sigh>

Duke
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:58 PM
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6. Agreed...sorta...
...election fraud needs fixing. I don't disagree with you there.

As for voter fraud: there is so little of it that whenever it is discovered, it is taken care of swiftly.

The problem I have with this whole thing is that the GOP-controlled media deliberately confuse people so they believe the voters are defrauding election officials, when it's the other way around.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:02 AM
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7. I agree with you too, sorta...
ELECTION fraud is the most immediately impactful.

VOTER fraud is the drip, drip, drip that opens the door for post Florida-like confusion and eventually can be exploited for full-on ELECTION fraud.

I just don't believe in half-assed solutions. Fix. It. All. is my mantra for the year. Same for immigration.

Duke
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:09 AM
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8. Um...
...I thought voter fraud is when a voter commits fraud.

Election fraud is when the state (or governing agency) commits the fraud.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:14 AM
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9. non governmental concerns and entities...
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 12:15 AM by Duke Newcombe
...can involve themselves (either as proxies for Goverments), or of their own volition, in ELECTION fraud, too.

My friends and I don't want you elected for dog catcher. It's a small town, and when the call goes out for poll workers, I have my bestest 50 friends volunteer, and swipe every third ballot and check it out--if it's for you, -poof- begone!

It's not necessary for government agencies to get involved...but it helps :(

And voter fraud (register the dead guy, vote three times in the same election in the same city kind of voter fraud) needs to be dealt with two. It's okay to have priorities in this issue--we all need to work together and fix. it. all.

Duke


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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:15 AM
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10. k/r
we will need HUGE NUMBERS to prevail

then... it's war on corruption
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