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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:17 AM
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"Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery.
"Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery. And he didn't make me this color."
-Pastor Wright on Farrakhan http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/596275.html

Nobody put Wright in chains.

Nobody put Wright in slavery.

Wright's color is due to his Negroid and Caucasoid genes.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:17 AM
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1. Wright is not part of Obama's campaign, is not in any way related to his campaign.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:20 AM
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3. Not any more
but so what? He was Obama's pastor and spiritual mentor for 20 years. He's going to be discussed no matter how much it pisses you off.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:48 AM
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28. Doesn't piss me off. He tells the truth, folks get all upset and shrill....
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:55 AM
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40. You go to thread after thread after thread
posting your one-line explanation of why you think this issue shouldn't be discussed.

Clearly you don't want this issue explored.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:56 AM
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41. Funny
I see you saying the same shit in thread after thread after thread as well.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:10 AM
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47. neener neener neener.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:30 PM
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60. There is no issue. Sheesh. Fucking Rovian politics.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:45 PM
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62. Seems to upset Obama though
Fleet of buses?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:18 AM
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2. Whoever recommended this drivel should get a pizza.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:22 AM
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5. Really?
Now you want to ban people who rec threads that aren't flattering to Obama?

You guys are really melting down.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:24 AM
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8. I'm sick of the racist concern troll freakshow.
If you are part of it you are a cell in America's cancer.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:25 AM
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11. I don't see any racism in it
and I think people who DO are really grasping at straws.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:26 AM
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14. Then you are at least oblivious, insensitive, selfish, uninformed, and naive
Notice I didn't say racist.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:48 AM
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29. And you're ridiculous
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:49 AM
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30. Oh wow, good comeback. That really hurt. That really hit home.
You are SOOOOO trenchant. You should take those quick wits on the road.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:54 AM
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38. How is it any different from your attack?
It's just more succinct.

Not everything involving race involves racism. It's ridiculous to think this wouldn't be an issue if Wright were white, or if Obama were white. This has to do with their relationship and with Wright's words over the years. They'd be controversial no matter the race of the people involved.

To cry racism over this is just dumb. So far today you guys have blamed the Clintons, racism, the MSM, and the Olsen Twins for this controversy - that's just stupid. Blame Wright for reviving this controversy, nobody else.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:55 AM
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39. Bull fucking shit. If Wright were white there would be no attention
whatsoever paid to anything he said as the pastor of a candidate's church--especially if the candidate were white as well.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:24 AM
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9. Now Wright's words are drivel? Yesterday Obama supporters were hailing the brilliance of the man.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:25 AM
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12. Your words are drivel
and you aren't fit to quote a man like Rev. Wright.

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:44 AM
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25. Wright, the man who is causing more death in the African-American community?
Literally killing people.

STUDY BY RAND AND OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY FINDS CONSPIRACY BELIEFS AMONG AFRICAN AMERICANS DETER CONDOM USE
http://www.rand.org/news/press.05/01.25.html
“These beliefs are widespread and demonstrate substantial mistrust of the health care system among African Americans,” said Laura Bogart, a RAND Health psychologist and lead author of the study. “For HIV prevention efforts to be successful, these beliefs need to be discussed openly, because people who do not trust the health care system may be less likely to listen to public health messages. This includes messages about HIV prevention.”

African American men who agreed with conspiracy myths were significantly less likely to report that they use condoms regularly. This was not the case among African American women.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33695-2005Jan24.html
"The whole notion of conspiracy theories and misinformation . . . removes personal responsibility," Wilson said. "If there is this boogeyman, people say, 'Why should I use condoms? Why should I use clean needles?' And if I'm an organization, 'Why should I bother with educating my folks?' The syphilis study was real, but it happened 40 years ago, and holding on to it is killing us."

More than half of those surveyed believed there is a cure for AIDS, but it is being withheld from the poor.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4468151

Allerton said the key to better prevention is more involvement by the black community, including church leaders. Also, messages about prevention need to be targeted to specific communities.
http://sexualhealth.e-healthsource.com/?p=news1&id=523594
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:47 AM
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27. Another amateur sociologist confusing correlation with causality
What a big surprise.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:49 AM
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31. What the fuck do YOU know about the south side of Chicago?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:57 AM
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42. Wright had himself tested for AIDS during a sermon on 12/3/2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncgG5Bic-0

You owe your readers an apology.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:36 AM
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51. Apology for what? I didn't accuse him of personally having AIDS and passing it along.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:59 AM
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56. Eye-opener. Thanks.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:25 AM
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13. No, I think that was a description of your OP. What's your opinion of Ed Rendell?
Should Hillary reject and denounce him?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:27 AM
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15. No.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:40 AM
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21. I still think he's brilliant:
I love the way he brings the ignorance out of racist trolls too.

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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:46 AM
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54. Water seeks its own level
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:00 AM
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57. You overuse the word "racist."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:21 AM
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4. "Thank you Nation of Islam"
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:41 AM
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23. What's wrong with the Nation of Islam??
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:50 AM
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33. dude, that guy's on your side. Read the link.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:00 AM
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43. Oops, my bad.
That's one


FAIL

For me today.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:22 AM
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6. Hillary's friend Rendell LOVES the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:24 AM
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7. She's not black, so people won't care.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:25 AM
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10. Logic 101, he is saying that someone who enslaved him or put him in chains would be his enemy
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 12:25 AM by Levgreee
not that an enemy of his had already done it
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:28 AM
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16. How about the person who made him that color?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:33 AM
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18. In case there is anyone smart but ignorant reading this...
I will respond, but not in the hope of getting through your skull.

The person who made him "this color" ("black") is white America. If you look at the actual person you will notice he is not the color black. The blackness of African-Americans is a cultural construct originally designed to keep them separate and unequal. The strategy to defeat this may reclaim and embrace the idea of "black" (which is more Wright's domain) or fight to move beyond color (which is more Obama's). It is by no means inconsistent for people of both views to attend the same church, because they believe in the same God and the same idea of justice. It is a tactical difference.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:52 AM
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36. OMG, you are a racist. Period.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:12 AM
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48. Why?
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:31 AM
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50. Not racist.... Just misinformed about race and complexion. n/t

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:32 AM
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17. Wait... which one of these guys is in the primary???

:shrug:

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:35 AM
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19. Wright is open for VP.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:41 AM
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22. I'm open for VP too
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:42 AM
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24. If Hillary steals the nomination over this:
I'll write in Wright's name for president.

And then move out of this country.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:45 AM
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26. Oh for the love of God. He was MOCKING the chin-drooling press. n/t
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:50 AM
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32. Secetary of State?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:51 AM
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34. That would be "secretary" I think....
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:52 AM
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35. oh shit.
oops.

my bad.

thanks.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:39 AM
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53. How's this: Find me ANYONE who could be a bigger disgrace than the one we have NOW. n/t
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:58 AM
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55. Racist.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:05 AM
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58. Lame.
eom
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:29 PM
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59. pfft. Yeah right. So are about 5 million other people.

This OP is flame bait BS that has nothing to do with the primaries except that it is a blatant attempt to falsely link Wright's views with Obama.

Desperation is so difficult to watch. Sad that people have to sink to such low standards.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:36 AM
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20. And this means something because?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:53 AM
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37. Keep digging that hole
n/t
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:05 AM
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44. Do Hillary agree with Governor Rendell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

Did you missed this in Pennsylvania.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:38 AM
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52. Your subject line is a trap!
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:07 AM
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45. Well isn't this novel another anonomous racist poster, bet you woulnd't say that in Wright's church.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:15 AM
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49. Say what? That he wasn't a slave, wasn't in chains and Farrakhan
had nothing to do with his color? That's controversial?
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:07 AM
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46. Wright's color is due to his Negroid and Caucasoid genes

Huh? What does fair skin have do with Caucasoid genes? Eurocentric classifications are so thing of the past. Get with the program of progress.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:43 PM
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61. It's all about Wright
.
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