How is Obama's crazy pastor more relevant to his campaign than Hillary's adulterous husband?

[JackORoses]

He was only the 2nd President in the Nation's history to be Impeached.

He perjured himself before a Grand Jury.

Adultery is usually an immediate disqualifier in Politics, however, because Bill was President and everybody knows what he did, he seems to get a pass.

This will certainly come up in the General Election, so by Hillary's logic, it might as well come up now.

Just because your dirty laundry has been out in public for years doesn't mean it is any cleaner.

Hillary wants to play hardball, so let's play.

How can the American People send a Liar and a Cheater back into the White House?

[Oregone]

1. We allready talked about that for 10 years, and are now bored of it.

We need new material to pastorbate to.

[movonne]

7. You may be bored with it but the repugs are not...

[otohara]

23. That Vision of Bill Getting A BJ

is seared into their tiny brains forever.

[Oregone]

39. I wish I could get a bj in the Oval Office.

My wife would never go for it.

[movonne]

74. I would think that would be any man's dream...and just think bill

got to do it....

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. I'm bored of it, AND I don't want to live through anymore BIll DickGates. n/t

[WillyToad]

66. Republican talking points are becoming the mainstay of Obama supporters

I believe that they have been poisoned by the freepers amongst them.

[roguevalley]

78. this isn't obama people talking, this is the whole country. you are

not paying attention if you don't believe they will dredge the sewer and with time going by, consider with technology what they also have beyond that. This isn't just repug talking points, this is rating points for the news.

[QC]

91. I think that a lot of people here who claim to be Obama supporters are nothing of the sort.

It's just protective coloration.

[crimsonblue]

93. Pot. This is kettle. And you are black, too.

[book_worm]

2. Frankly, neither issue should be used against either candidate

but since so many Hillary supporters take such heart in the Rev. Wright situation I guess you have a good point. He disgraced his office and lied about it. Rev. Wright was Obama's pastor and Bill is Hillary's husband.

[xultar]

3. Skinner, you gotta love what your board has morphed into. ROFL!!!

[redqueen]

She said Wright and the Flag Pin were "issues".

Now Obama has gone on record as changing his mind and agreeing... I wonder what's coming next...

Just remember, if/when the kitchen sink comes flying her way... she opened the door to this herself.

[olkaz]

36. I couldn't agree more.

Karma's a bitch.

[QC]

9. Lol. Some folks here are even more fascinated by The Clenis

than the ones on that other site that this one has come to resemble so much.

[xultar]

34. And the Clentoris.

[QC]

38. And The Clintoris's possible girlfriend.

Did you ever imagine that you would find this kind of shit on DU?

[WillyToad]

71. Creeping Freeperism...

[QC]

75. It's not creeping anymore: it's galloping. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. This Thread Is Already Linked And Lauded At The Other Underground

They are suggesting the original poster is their kindred spirit...

We are not allowed to link that thread here or I would...

[QC]

86. I think they are right about the original poster

and have for some time now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. The Ironic Thing Is Bill's Pecadilloes Are Old News

It doesn't have legs...

Those that hate the Clintons already hate em...

[QC]

90. Yeah, normal people are not still getting upset

about a president who left office over eight years ago having a girlfriend.

But some people, and we know who they are, are still furious about it and can't let go of Bill's pecker.

It's very telling, isn't it?

[JackORoses]

45. nobody cares about Bill's dick

but when the Highest Office in the Land is dishonored on the World stage, there are repercussions.

Hillary says it took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, but she is mistaken.

It took a Clinton to fuck up so bad that this Country was willing to elect another Bush.

[QC]

47. You seem to care about it a great deal, given how assiduously

you have been posting freeper crotch-sniffer trash here.

[JackORoses]

52. You don't like to discuss Billy's Big Fuckup, do you?

It has more to do with his rampant dishonesty than his prick.

He took Al Gore's chance for a landslide victory away, and delivered us into the hands of George W. Bush.
Does that not distress you in the least?

[ellisonz]

92. nobody really cares about Barack's crazy pastor either

[Bake]

12. No sh*t, xultar!!

Who would have EVER thought, in a zillion years, that DU would be the place where sanctimonious pricks made Bill Clinton's marital history an issue? Sounds more like that "other" web site ... which shall not be named.

The haters should be very proud of themselves. They're killing DU.

Bake

[duhneece]

43. Maybe not killing, but hurting DU

This thread subject offended me more than any other I can remember in a long time. I cannot picture a Democrat saying anything like that. Maybe I'm just short on imagination-

[JackORoses]

46. the Marital History of every Presidential Candidate is an issue

Hillary should stand and answer why Bill lied to a Grand Jury, and why she lied continuously in his defense.

Their Marriage is built on dishonesty.

This is a very real factor in whether they are fit for the Office or not.

[lwcon]

13. Sad, sad, sad

But that's the cost of hope and unity, I guess.

Don't you feel ever-more hopeful and united when you see fellow Democrats trading in old, completely irrelevant, GOP slime?

It's worth it in the end, 'cause we're all gonna get ponies!

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[redqueen]

16. Wright is irrelevant GOP slime.

What... irrelevant GOP slime is only "OK" for Dems to vomit out if it's not OLD GOP slime?

:eyes:

[lwcon]

31. Obama says Wright is relevant

He's long and frequently cited the guy as his spiritual mentor, so that mentor's philosophy has come under scrutiny.

Is this topic overblown? Yes.

Does your frustration with it mean we should try to use Hillary being cheated on as if it's her sin and anyone's fucking business?

WTF is wrong with you people? freerepublic must be missing some devils.


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[redqueen]

37. He didn't before... now he does.

I didn't say we should try to use that. Please do try to read what people say instead of putting words in their mouths.

As for his change of heart on whether this is an "issue"... perhaps this is a sign that we may be seeing some return fire from Obama... I hope not... but others do...

[JackORoses]

44. he has you and your goon platoon to thank

No more Liars and Cheaters!!

[HamdenRice]

4. Because the rethugs are SAVING Clinton adultery till after the nomination

They're keeping that powder dry. But trust me, if Hill gets the nod that stuff will become very relevant.

[mindfulNJ]

55. Yep

If Hillary gets the nom she will become Mrs. Clenis overnight...mark my word.

[WillyToad]

67. As if anybody cares?

During the 'impeachment' Bill Clinton was at 70% positive ratings, only freepers and a few Obamites care about that ancient crap.

[BlueIdaho]

83. Two Points.

1. I doubt Bill Clinton could get a 70% approval rating for anything he does today.

2. What makes you think his serial adultery is a thing of the past?

[QC]

94. I think somebody let that particular cat out of the bag

a long time ago.

[Indenturedebtor]

5. Why bother

The nominee has been chosen. Any slander of her now will hurt Obama in the GE - guilt by association. They've spent a lot of time together in debates and in the Senate.

It would be best to just focus on McDeath at this point.

[Maddy McCall]

6. Wow. The Wright thing must still be stinging, eh?

Y'all usually lash out at Hillary with the right-wing stuff when you're afraid.

Looks like it's going to be another bad day for Obama supporters.

You need a hug. :hug:

[JackORoses]

48. It's not right wing stuff. It actually happened.

Bill lied under oath.
He lied directly to the American Public on National Television.

Hillary has continued this pattern of dishonesty.

Can't we bring a little Honor back into the White House?

[Eurobabe]

8. I'm sure the RNC/GOP is locked and loaded for Clinton bear

should she, in her wildest fantasy -- get the nomination.

[redqueen]

10. Of course they are.

They are salivating at the thought of it.

[lwcon]

17. Boy, they'll have her dead-to-rights, too

Is there anything more despicable than a woman whose husband cheated on her?

:sarcasm:

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[redqueen]

19. Just because the OP chose that BS "issue" to name...

does not mean that that's the only slime the GOP will be able to dredge up to coat her with.

[JackORoses]

50. how about a woman who lied continuously to defend her cheating man to defend her political future

You can "Stand by your Liar", but don't ask the rest of us to.

[graycem]

20. That's what's so funny..

it is no secret they've been waiting for her run. They always knew she would YEARS ago. Apparently before she did. Since she had no idea she would run (ha ha), and they all suspected she would in '04. I can't even imagine what they've unearthed since they left the White House. At least if she gets the nomination, it'll be an interesting vetting ride. She's right about one thing, we haven't seen dirty yet, they're saving it for a nice sunny day in August.

[Eurobabe]

65. or one hell of a heinous OCTOBER SURPRISE!

[joeybee12]

11. Bring it on!

It backfired in 1998, and it'll backfire again.

[redqueen]

18. It won't happen.

Not from the Obama campaign, anyway... not from his mouth. He won't stoop as low as Hillary.

[joeybee12]

28. Trust me, he has stooped already...

...been trying to get the press to cover this for months...foolish move, people have already decided what they think about that, and they don't want to hear any more about it.

[redqueen]

29. Who's been trying to get the press to cover what?

Bill's affairs? Where? When?

[JackORoses]

54. Bill was at appeared Presidential in 1998

He has lost that lustre and is now covered in pigshit.

You'd be amazed at how less likely people are to defend those who are covered in their own filth.

[suston96]

14. Has adulterer Bill Clinton ever said "God damn America"? And by the way, what does that mean?

Does "God damn America" really mean "God damn white America"? It certainly doesn't mean "God Damn black America"!

I know, I'll check the context. That context will show me what that means ! Sure it will.......

And that "adulterer" bullshit? Ask Uncle Jeremiah Wright to tell you what Jesus said about throwing the first stone....

[IndianaJones]

15. typical white people only. nt.

[Lady-Damai]

21. Huh.....

What do you mean by that?

[IndianaJones]

24. what do you mean? nt.

[mythyc]

41. "we love you Indy!!"

you're our hero ... :loveya:

[JackORoses]

57. no, he said,"I have never had sexual relations with that woman!!!" and it was a bald-faced Lie

do you support adultery and perjury?

do you support Lies as long as they get you what you think you want?

[Marnieworld]

22. Million dollar question

As if the Republicans wouldn't mention it and use it against her. She's the one campaigning as a Republican to prove that he can't handle their hardball tactics. He cheated on her IN THE WHITE HOUSE while she was home. NO will mention this? Please?

[Redbear]

25. Probably because the man left office with 66% approval ratings

and the 31% who disapproved of him are already solidly in the McCain camp.

Sen. Obama is being attacked over Wright because there is very little negative to say about Sen. Obama himself.

There are many ways to attack Sen. Clinton without ever mentioning her husband.

[JackORoses]

58. his ratings are far lower than that now.

In the eyes of the public, he is no longer that lovable country boy who occasionally told lies.

[ampad]

26. Not only Monica

but the other women will come out as well. I think Bill has provided them with all the ammo they need with his adulterous ways. Ohhh Rev. Wright is fascinating but not as fascinating as numerous affairs conducted by a former president who's wife is now running for president. At least if Bill started messing around with new women from this time period we will be spared the horrible dynasty hair from his ladies in the 90's.

[MNDemNY]

27. Apparently, yes, yes it is.

[Larkspur]

30. It's not the sexual adultery that's the real problem with Bill. It's the...

political adultery Bill is committing with Dubai, Columbia and other nations that want to buy America up. The Clintons are as willing as the Bushes to destroy our democracy.

[Benhurst]

32. Maybe because many worry that Obama may agree with, to use your

characterization, "his crazy preacher," while only the lunatic fringe think Hillary was pleased with Bill's adultery.

As for an adulterer not being allowed into the White House, as a spouse and not even as president, do we really want to adopt crazy Republican born-again standards for that office? Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, to name just recent presidents, would have, by those standards, never served a day in office. Perhaps that is why Clinton was not convicted and achieved some of his highest approval ratings on the day the Senate refused to go along with Gingrich and Livingston, two adulterers who were forced to resign for their hypocrisy shortly thereafter.

I personally disagree with you on your characterization of Obama's preacher as "crazy." But I can understand how those who don't might find Obama's associations with such a man as worrisome.

[gateley]

33. It's not the adultery that should be an issue --

it's the Clinton Foundation secrets that are VERY troublesome.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120908058761543293.html

[demo dutch]

35. It's all irrelevant, Let's just worry about the Dem nominee beating McCain, whoever it may be!

Both are capable!

[grrr050]

40. Stop blaming Hillary..........

And her supporters just because Obama's taking a beating from the media? Direct your anger to where it belongs....either towards the mediawhores or towards your stupid selves for supporting a candidates who happens to have a 20-year old association with a radical pastor.

[ecstatic]

42. I agree. Others can save the self righteous faux outrage

If Wright is relevant, then BC's behavior present and past sure as hell is too. Clinton has set the women's movement back decades by sticking by a serial adulterer's side.

[Perry Logan]

49. Check it out: Bill Clinton's was the CLEANEST two-term administration of the 20th century.*

*As measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations within his administration.

By this fairly objective measure, Bill Clinton's was the cleanest two-term Presidential administration since Teddy Roosevelt.

This will sound surprising to those weaned on the Clintophobic U.S. media. Every Democrat should read "The Hunting of the President" to learn about the bogus Clinton scandals.

[BenDavid]

51. well if you are christian i assume you believe in forgiveness. What

is is 7 times 70 and turn the other cheek. if you cannot do that then yu are not practicing your christian beliefs. I would say that Bill asked forgiveness for his transgressions and I say he truly meant it when he asked this from Hillary and also Chelsea.

if you going to break bills balls every time and bring up this monica crap then it would be right that we brought up the transgressions of obama and his drug dealings. Did he sell crack? Did he sell any type drug? You see, whenever you bring up something like that then you better have a candidate that is like ivory 99.4% pure......

[oasis]

53. A persecuted and maligned Monica Lewinsky never said "God damn America". She

was never Bill's spiritual leader and advisor.

Rasputin Wright is seen by many as a possible threat to our country.

[JackORoses]

62. Monica did nothing wrong. It was Billy Boy.

You may not want to discuss that, but he is far more influential on Hillary than Wright is on Obama.

Hillary has wholly bought into Bill's way of doing things.
In their world, appearances and lies are more advantageous than substance and truth.

Their Ends always justify their Means.

[gal]

56. I totally agree, but its all of their history. Investigations and all.

And yes some of us that remember this may be tired of it but you have a couple of facts here that people need to think about.
What happened and how it was handled is relevant.
There are many many young people that were to young and don't know the situation. To me they deserve to know how each acted and how they responded while in office.
As her husband Bill Clinton is going to have more influence over her than anyone else in the world... you think his actions aren't important? He has been influencing her longer than Wright has been influencing Obama.

She is running on experience...this is part of her experience and the Clinton package.

[BigDDem]

59. Go for it Jack!

Good luck with that.

:rofl:

[Life Long Dem]

60. Don't worry about it.

Rev. Wright is a good distraction and the Reverend is clearing his name from this angry preacher. He could be clearing his name and is coming off as bit loopy or it could be he is just star struck, but I think we will take loopy over angry anytime. So Obama was associated with a loopy preacher. Is that a bad thing?

[Cha]

61. He's not...I don't want that

fucker bil clinton roaming the halls of the Bosnian Sniper LIAR's grab.
They both lie as easily as they spew venom.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."


<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[cottonseed]

63. What's she going to say when she slides Iran down our mouths?

I did it... because I could.

[VotesForWomen]

68. i don't know that adulterous husbands have any policy implications. nt

[JackORoses]

76. lying ones do, especially when under the influence of Rich Donors

[jonestonesusa]

89. It certainly had implications for liberal Democrats running for office,

wouldn't you say?

[uponit7771]

69. He black

[bigwillq]

70. Neither are relevant.

Clinton's adultery was a private and personal matter, that imo, had no bearing on policy or how he ran the country.

Obama cannot be faulted b/c of the views of his pastor.

[knixphan]

72. bingo.

Somehow I think Monica is on a train to Siberia right now...

[JackORoses]

77. bullshit

He accomplished little in his second term mainly because of his adultery.

If he had not done what he did, there would have been no Impeachment.

And we would have had 8 years of Al Gore.

[bigwillq]

79. Gore received more votes.

And it took a Supreme Court ruling to hand the WH to Bush.

[JackORoses]

80. Gore would have won without any question if Bill had not been Impeached.

There is no question that Bill's fuckup cost Gore votes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. He Stopped Ethnic Cleansing In Kosovo In His Second Administration

~

[Stephanie]

73. It's her husband's paychecks that concern me. Millions from billionaires, Dubia, Saudi Arabia

That's what scares me about the Clintons - who have they sold their souls to this time around? and for how much?

[Apollo11]

81. If you want to use "zero tolerance of cheating" as a criteria for presidential candidates

then that is your choice. Hillary has always said that voters - not candidates and not the media - are the people who get to decide what the criteria are.

[samsingh]

82. actually what is relevant is mccain's stability and the repug lies

within our party, whoever gets the most support should win. i think both Hillary and Obama are decent people and either would make a Great President.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. THEY LOVE YOU AT THE OTHER UNDERGROUND

We are not allowed to link that site here...

[MyNameGoesHere]

95. Well she didn't disown him. But see the candidate of hope, change and unity

is ..gasp JUST A POLITICIAN!!

[dailykoff]

96. Bill nothing, Hillary is living in a glass castle

make that a glass love shack.

:rofl:

[pompano]

97. Actions speak louder than words.

One person that isn't even going to the Whitehouse says GD America in a fiery speech, another implies GD America with his disdain and disregard for Americas Court System and lies to a Grand Jury's face. One says it, another does it.

I never thought until now how many times one has to use the word lie in writing sentences about the Clinton's. They're synonymous.