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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:33 PM
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Schism Grows Between Obama and Liberal Bloggers
I sure hope the Obama Campaign understands the disappointment or should I say get the message


Schism Grows Between Obama and Liberal Bloggers

Liberal bloggers are expressing outrage over Barack Obama's appearance this weekend on Fox News, accusing the Democratic presidential front-runner of kowtowing to the network's conservative viewers, and throwing his online supporters to the wolves.


Obama broke a self-imposed embargo on the Rupert Murdoch-owned network that lasted for more than two years when he sat for an interview with Fox News' Chris Wallace on Sunday.

Ahead of the appearance, an Obama spokesman told TPM Election Central that Fox has "been the tip of the spear when it comes to repeatedly broadcasting some of the most specious of rumors about Obama." Promising on-air fireworks, the spokesman said that Obama "is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on."

Instead, Obama was decidedly non-combative, and calmly addressed all of the issues thrown his way by the show's host. He even highlighted some of his differences with liberal blogs, singling out Daily Kos by name while discussing John Roberts' nomination to the Supreme Court.

"Although I voted against him, I strongly defended some of my colleagues who had voted for him on the Daily Kos, and was fiercely attacked as somebody who is, you know, caving in to Republicans on these fights," Obama told Wallace.

The reaction from the blogosphere was quick, and largely critical.

"To be clear, Obama wasn't obliged to go after Fox," wrote TPM's Greg Sargent. "But a senior adviser said Obama would, as a way of quieting criticism of him. And he didn't.

"This will likely further dismay liberal bloggers who had worked very hard to get Dems to boycott Fox as a way of delegitimizing the network and who already criticized Obama for agreeing to appear in the first place," Sargent continued.

"If you don't like that Obama steps on you, speak out," agreed Matt Stoller of OpenLeft.com. "It was a mistake for us to endorse Obama, just as it was a mistake for us to do nothing against Clinton after she accused Moveon of intimating her supporters at caucuses."

"By going on Fox News, Obama made the right-wing press legitimate," wrote Daily Kos diarist "Bonddad" Sunday morning. "Simply put, I cannot vote or support anyone who participates in this medium."

Some liberal bloggers, though, didn't find fault with Obama's placid approach. "Well, I can't speak for all liberal bloggers, but this one quickly came to peace with Obama's decision," wrote the anonymous blogger behind the Jed Report. "This all is just another reason I'm looking forward to the primary ending -- there's a much bigger fish to fry."

Blogger Jerome Armstrong at MyDD thinks Obama may have highlighted his disagreements with liberal bloggers in order "to make room for the pivot to 'the center,'" and to erase the perception that he's an angry, combative, netroots-endorsed, left-of-left political candidate.

In context, though, Obama's Fox News appearance seems part of a wider plan to cultivate a conciliatory tone, as he faces an ongoing controversy over pastor Jeremiah Wright's combative sermons.

History suggests that's a wise course. Howard Dean lost the presidential nomination in 2004 because of his perceived rage. Voters, it turns out, are turned off by anger, even if bloggers are craving a little ire from their candidate.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/obama-distanc-1.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:34 PM
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1. I hate Faux Snooze, but how many times has Hillary appeared there?
Lots of times. Why aren't they giving her shit about it?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:36 PM
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5. She didn't make a big deal about NOT going on there.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:31 PM
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27. and why would she? once you go Goldwater, you never go back
are you excited to see her on O'Reilly?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:15 PM
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19. As President, Obama will have to represent ALL Americans. ...
...and while I can understand a Dem not wanting to be on Fox News, I certainly understand if they do appear, as long as they us the opportunity to reach out to conservatives to try to include them in the discussion.

I have confidence Obama will be the uniter on Fox, like he has been throughout his campaign.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:57 PM
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37. The liberal bloggers...
who mostly support Obama have been giving Hillary shit over every little thing for months.

They are upset with Obama because they had him up so high on a pedestal they thought he was God. It's so disappointing when God goes on Fox after he says he won't. It's the lying...you know?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:35 PM
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2. They arent going to vote for Hillary, so politically, he can do this.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:35 PM
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3. The Clinton's have Drudge and Fox on SPEED DIAL
this is a total crock of shit
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:36 PM
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4. I don't get the problem. Do the bloggers want Obama to win?
Or are they just interested in playing games? Do they realize what it takes to win the presidency?

I really have no patience for this childish nonsense.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:50 PM
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14. We are them of whom they speak.
Who all here is outraged? Not me.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:51 PM
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15. Me neither. I'm not seeing a lot of outrage here on DU about this.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:56 PM
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16. It seems they care more about THEIR golden goose, opposition to FAUX
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:57 PM by votesomemore
than they do about the serious concerns facing us. Childish and egotistical. I am LEFT, LIBERAL, some even say RADICAL. But blowing FAUX out of the water is not my number one priority.

edit to add: We DO have to take on the media. But there are WAYS...
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:11 PM
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18. I'm in complete agreement.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:29 PM
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25. Faux News is a Fascist Propaganda Network
The were intentionally setup to promote Reich Wing values and denigrate Democrats and liberals. They took Goering's infamous saying and made it their business plan.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:36 PM
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6. More faux outrage from Hillary supporters
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:36 PM by DJ13
Want to prove me wrong?

How many of these "liberal" bloggers posted rants against Clinton's several Fox interviews?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:37 PM
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8. Did Hillary have a ticker counting how many days she was personally
Boycotting FGnus?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:36 PM
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7. well at least he hasn't expressed disdain for "the activists"
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:40 PM
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9. Liberals need tostop getting bogged down in these petty intermural spats.
It is a distraction from the real deal here: winning in the fall.

Going on Fox is not necessarily going over to the enemy (hell, Wes Clark did it). In fact, it enhances Obama's image with the folks who watch Fox and don't realize they're being duped, they just turn it on to see the "news." They see Obama as "regular" people and becomemore accepting of him...
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:40 PM
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10. Why subject Obama to a test of purity
that limits his ability to respond?

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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:42 PM
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11. This is another manufactoversy!!!
This is UNTRUE. There are many posts today on DKos by kos himself stating that Obama is gaining.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:24 PM
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21. bingo... thank you.... and ME with my hide thread function not working
grrrrrrrrr
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:27 PM
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23. Kos also repudiated Obama's visit to Faux news on Sunday
and repudiated Obama's pride in defending his Democratic peers from liberal bloggers upset that they voted for Roberts to the SCOTUS. Roberts' court is good for Corporate America, not regular America.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:21 PM
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28. Sure, Kos is no groupie who will support blindly. Is that what you are expecting?
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:45 PM
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12. what are "some" going to say about
The senator from NY going on the O'Reilly show. Will they express the same level of outrage?

Some how I think this particular group of "some" will say it's just fine with them.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:46 PM
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13. Any candidate who boycotts Fox is an idiot
Hear me out. You can hate them as much as you want. They have LOTS of viewers. Lets say they're all republicans. And lets say a candidate can change the minds of only 2 or 3 percent watching that day. Is that not worth it? You don't have to "pander" -- lay out your case and see what comes your way.

This obsession with making sure candidates are ideologically pure by boycotting Fox continues to mystify me. THERE ARE VOTERS WATCHING!!!! Pretending they don't exist is folly.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:07 PM
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17. Obama went on Faux to get rethuglican votes because he's a closet rethuglican.
Just like his buddy, Oprah.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:29 PM
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26. ugh. i hate unadulterated stupidity.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:13 PM
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31. Oh, so you hate yourself? nt
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:18 PM
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33. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hilarious.....

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:18 PM
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20. It's Going to Get Worse
When people look at Wright's transcripts and see how Obama sold his stock there when he should have held firm.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:26 PM
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22. In his shoes, I wouldn't have gone on FAUX Noise...
but I just can't get worked up much about Obama's decision to go on there.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:29 PM
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24. So... guess the fresh talking points are out! Wright's out, so... NEXT!
:rofl:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:22 PM
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29. He can risk angering them, because they arent going to support Hillary or McCain.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:25 PM
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30. Al Gore made an appearance on Fox News
It's the one time I have failed to watch a Gore interview. I regretted Gore's decision to appear on Fox after the way it had trashed him during the 2000 election, even going so far as to employ a Bush* relative to work there, and influence calls on the network, such as the winner of Florida; but it was Gore's choice.

It was also Obama's choice.

I am not such a small person I would change my voting preference over something like this. I have, however, boycotted Fox News for almost eight years now; and I do not see that changing any time in the future.

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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:16 PM
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32. Nice Try
I love CONCERN.

Hey everyone, let's diss Obama... Come on, everybody is doing it.... come on, you won't be cool if you don't...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:20 PM
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34. It wasn't exactly a love fest on Fox Noise when Obama was on
I thought he did well and if the self-appointed "Liberal Blogger" Royal Court doth beith pisseth, fucketh they.

He went on and took Wallace on and came out of it a better candidate.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:48 PM
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35. HA ha!
Kos is teh suxx0R!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:50 PM
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36. Wonder what Jerome will think about Hillary going on O'Reilly's disgusting show?
We will see if he feels the same way regarding Hillary Clinton and Fox News. Bill O'Reilly is a truly disgusting pile of humanity!
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