Ok - this is why Wright tossed Obama under his double decker sight seeing bus

[sueragingroz]

Obama joined the church for politically expedient reasons. He needed votes in that community.

His bitter comments have shown us how he really feels about religion.

I'd lay serious money on him being an atheist or an agnostic who attended Wrights church because he knew it would get him ahead in the community.

He barely paid attention to Wright lo these many years at his peril. Or maybe he did pay attention but simply didn't care.

Either way, it explains his "shock and sadness" today at the fact that Wright had the AUDACITY to be insulted by the treatment that he has suffered at the hands of his supposed protege since the campaign officially started.

Obama is a cynic wrapped in the flag of Hope and Change. And he's been playing his worshippers like a well tuned fiddle. Just like any skilled unscrupulous politician would (and if you think he has scruples - remember Rezko and Emil Jones).

Payback is a bitch. I forsee a very large fracture in his coalition of voters. Those in the AA community that support Wright will stay home in NC or vote for Clinton.

This couldn't have played out any better for the Clinton campaign. There is no reason for riots when she gets the nomination because Obama did this to himself. He has no one to blame but himself.

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[panader0]

9. I've always said

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

[hisownpetard]

14. Makes sense to me.

:hi:

[roguevalley]

74. SNICKER. that is great. Don't you just love how the OP can read

another person's mind and know their true motivations? Perhaps they can run for president.

[Rageneau]

84. Dorothy Parker likes your taste in quips.

She coined many a dandy one herself, including the one you quoted.

[Crunchy Frog]

They're apparently quite painless.

The brain has no sensory neurons in it.

[gateley]

2. What's the current daily total of Americans killed in Iraq, do you know? Thanks. nt

[aquart]

24. Deflection.

Both desperate and silly, really.

BTW, Iraq may be a huge issue with the college kids scared to death of a possible draft, but the economy is what you should be deflecting with, if you want the deflection to work.

[NNN0LHI]

32. Yea the economy

Thats the one that catches my eye these days.

Don

[gateley]

102. Thanks for the strategy, but I'm fresh off of reading an account

of an Iraqi situation that has my vacillating between screaming and weeping.

I wasn't trying to be clever. I'm pissed and at the moment just fed up with all this crap - in the big picture it's not what really matters.

Maybe you could get a job with your candidate's campaign, since you're so sharp and all.

[WinkyDink]

50. Do you?

[Political Heretic]

63. 4,057 as of april 27th.

[gateley]

103. Yes. I do. nt

[rusty_parts2001]

3. Interesting take on the situation.

Anything more substantial than a hunch?

[virtualobserver]

4. dream on

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

16. being on prescripttion meds

is a bitch isn't it. All of those hallucinations. It could be a throughback to the 1960's and 70's.





an aging hippie

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

I am sorrybushisfromtexas

[panader0]

5. "no need for riots"??

thanks for that.

[guyanakoolaid]

13. They know the mask is off. Rush only calls for riots if his girl loses the nomination to a black man

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[haymakeragain]

48. Et tu, aquart?

Projection. Hillary supporters are just as bad. Obama's campaign isn't openly supported, for whatever reason, by Rushy either.

[guyanakoolaid]

76. Excuse me, it's one of your fellow Clinton supporters saying "There is no reason for riots when she

...gets the nomination"

What kind of bullshit is that?

[sueragingroz]

37. I don't know how many times i've seen on this board that

there are going to be riots in denver if the bitch wins!


well... if there are riots now... there won't be any public sympathy.

Because he shot himself in the ass...

which is quite a feat :)

[LakeSamish706]

6. Nice theory, to bad you will never know the answer to your thoughts. n/t

[lisa58]

7. you assume too much

[sueragingroz]

36. obama assumes too much

if he thinks that he can dig himself out with another denunciation and repudiation.

it's getting old my friends.

[guyanakoolaid]

8. Speaking of turning your back on religion - seen Hillary's pastor around anywhere?

She used to pray with Prick Santorum and the neocon Stepford Wives at the Fellowship, what happened to that???

[aquart]

26. Guess she isn't touting her religiosity like your guy.

Sorry.

[guyanakoolaid]

43. Oh, but she is. It's what gave her such great strength after Bill got a blow job.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. You remind me of the person I know who listens to the holy radio

stations who today told me that Wright said America "deserved 911" not that America helped bring 911 on itself. This person also told me that Wright and the man who introduced him were on the order of the antichrist. What am I to do with such thinking?? I told him not to worry cuz man doesn't control this world, the man upstairs does so, not to worry. Heh.

[chimpymustgo]

11. Very good observation. Obama is as slick a politician as they come. And he's managed to FOOL so

many gullible souls.

[zabet]

:toast:

[babylonsister]

12. Nice uninformed spin there; got any links or is your crystal ball talking to you? nt

[ellacott]

23. It's probably a magic 8 ball

[sueragingroz]

40. What I posted was an opinion based on my observations over the past several months

take it or leave it.

I'm not running for president so I don't give a flying fart.

[babylonsister]

45. And you know what they compare opinions to, especially uninformed

ones... :think:

[Barrymores Ghost]

52. Your opinion doesn't measure up to a flying fart, either.

Funny how that worked out, eh?

[sueragingroz]

64. and that is your opinion

here's a pony

[Barrymores Ghost]

71. No, it's clearly empirical fact...tho' the stench of your horse shit is palpable.

But thanks for the pony, just the same.

[SeattleGirl]

15. A bit too much time on your hands, eh?

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[sueragingroz]

47. well... i do have better things to do

than worship at the altar of barack O-bomb-a.

[Barrymores Ghost]

69. Like worshiping at the altar of "Get a Woman Elected at Any Cost, and to Whatever End."

Your cartoon must be unintentionally ironic, given that Hillary just threatened to go nuclear on Iran last week.

I guess you probably missed that part while you were obsessing over your hypothetical, make-believe, loftier-than-your-own-farts opinion of Obama's ulterior motives for deciding to attending Wright's church 20 years ago, doubtless before you were cognizant enough to contain your farts in a public space, let alone form a lucid thought and express it there.

[Barrymores Ghost]

17. Link? Thanks. N/T

[Marie26]

18. No way

Obama an atheist? If anything, Obama is TOO religious for my liking.

[charlie]

19. He must be an atheist because you think he's opportunistic?

Blow it out your ass, sunshine. Being godless is not a requisite for unethical behavior.

[sueragingroz]

31. FYI I'm an atheist

I have nothing against atheism.

I understand how atheists think about religion.

[charlie]

42. Subterfuge is part of how atheists "think about religion"?

Apparently, you're drawing conclusions from a sample size of one. Yourself. So, speak just for your dishonest self and not the rest of us.

[sueragingroz]

53. no... cynicism is how many atheists approach religion

couple cynicism with a lack of sruples...

and you have:

[charlie]

68. You're projecting

Quit being an ass. Show me some indication, any indication that he's an atheist, other than it's what you would do if you were in his place.

[pinkpops]

62. Name the most famous athiest or agnostic politician you can think of

[yourguide]

20. Link on that?

Oh yeah, you're just making crap up...there's no link.

[sueragingroz]

41. you link your own personal opinions?

[yourguide]

56. That's not even an opinion...

it's just wild and unfounded speculation.

[wndycty]

21. Your ignorance of Chicago is appalling. . .

I live in Obama's state senate district. Given that the district has just as many white folks as it does Black folks joining Trinity was not politically advantageous to Obama.

[aquart]

27. Why? Did he have the black vote locked up before then?

[spooky3]

22. don't you think you ought to have some actual evidence before make accusations against a Democrat?

[ecstatic]

25. Obama strikes me as a more sincere Christian than Clinton

Clinton is a flat out liar, and so is her husband, and Chelsea too!

[aquart]

29. "And Chelsea too!"

And for your next performance, you will hold your breath till you turn blue, fall down on the floor and kick your feet on the carpet.

Childish much?

[ecstatic]

30. She lied when she said Hillary would be a better president than Bill

[NNN0LHI]

39. You guys crack me up

Thats why I like it here.

Don

[CTyankee]

28. Why no response from the OP?

I've gotta put this down as a "hit and run."

[sueragingroz]

33. I got busy elsewhere

:)

But I'm back.

[Marie26]

35. Worthy of a squirrel award

[K Gardner]

38. Before you embarass yourself any further with your uneducated hypotheses about the

former relationship between the two men, what attracted Obama to Wright, etc., read the fucking book.

Or shut up. God, I hate ignorance.

[sueragingroz]

44. oh that's right THE BOOK!

Yes this is a very good time to bring up

THE AUDACITY OF HOPE...


how about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzHQ_PC1uI

[K Gardner]

57. Wrong book. Gads.. pathetic.

[babylonsister]

60. Ya just gotta laugh...hysterically!

:hi:

[K Gardner]

72. Hey Babsister ! Actually, I do check in here about once

daily, laugh hysterically and sign out. Life has been strangely peaceful without this place and without the constant MSM droning.

Its encouraging to me to realize that most people don't keep up with this mess, or really care much about it. I'm just waiting for the inevitable to be declared :-) :hi:

[Skidmore]

46. Reading goat entrails, eh?

[sueragingroz]

54. tea leaves actually

that is where I wandered off to :)

[Life Long Dem]

49. Hello?

[sueragingroz]

58. Hello :)

[SoonerPride]

51. plonk

i have not time for idiocy

[backscatter712]

91. I'm with you, SoonerPride. *plonk* to the OP!

[Zhade]

55. What is this bullshit? Painting atheists as cynics, as if atheists are somehow bad people?

Such nonsense.

[sueragingroz]

59. there are good atheists and bad atheists

there are good religious folks and bad religious folks.


I am calling Obama both an atheist and a cynic.

The two are not mutually inclusive.

[Zhade]

106. Fair enough, but I don't think you have any real basis to label him an atheist.

And you say it like it's a BAD thing.

[jeffrey_X]

61. "Obama joined the church for politically expedient reasons. He needed votes in that community"

You don't have a fucking clue.

[sueragingroz]

66. and that is your opinion.

[sueragingroz]

77. from wiki

In The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known." He describes his Kenyan father as "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." In the book, Obama explains how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change."<158> He has been a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ since 1988.<159>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

you have your interpretation... i have mine.

[FrenchieCat]

65. You sound exasperated.

[sueragingroz]

78. aww the catbox getting smelly again?

Actually I have never been happier about how this nomination contest is going.

Obama has given Hillary a run for her money and she has shown herself to be resilient and managed to build a whole new voting coalition in the process.

I actually am very thankful for Obama's campaign.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And Clinton is definitely stronger and more ready to win in the GE.

[Heathen57]

93. Just what coalition of voters

Has Clinton built up? We should be able to find them pretty easily.

Couldn't be the youth vote. She doesn't think they are worth going after.

Was it the progressives? Nope she tossed them under the bus.

Maybe it is the AA crowd? She and Bill made sure to lose them as well.

The college educated crowd? Nah, she all but spat in their Lattes.

How about those who live in Caucus states? Uh-uh. Those voters don't count.

Perhaps the voters in the other states that don't usually go Democratic? Fergetabbouit. They don't count either, Those are just states you fly over to get to the only states that count.

OH, I got it now. It is the voters in MI and FL. The same ones who she agreed didn't count until she needed them. That must be it. After all there aren't too many parts of the Democratic Party that she and Bill haven't tossed under the dualies.

[FrenchieCat]

105. Probably referring to the White Reagan Democrats

who will be voting McCain. Her borrowed coalition.

[CakeGrrl]

67. Ha - dream on! The AA vote is not defaulting to Clinton after what they've pulled. -nt

[sueragingroz]

79. Give this time... folks will look at him again

and trust me, they won't be voting for McSame.

[Yes We Did]

70. the quagmire of blabber! Where did you get this? LOL some of you are HILLARIOUS

[Tactical Progressive]

73. You got everything right about Obama's cynical, dishonest politics

He spent 20 years tied to Wright, which is going to be seen as bad enough by itself.

Then he went all Schultz. 'I know nothing!'
Showing himself as the liar that many of us already knew he was about virtually everything.

Now he chucks his decades-long mentor and friend and book inspiration, pretending he never believed in any of it.
Showing himself again as a liar, and now additionally as someone with little character.

He's a grade-A phony and a panderer.


But the black community won't foreswear him for anything on this earth. You got that part wrong. They've been willing to lie through their hearts to make Bill and Hillary into racists. Obama knew that by calling the most AA-friendly President in American history, the only Democratic President in almost 30 years, a racist, even lying blatantly to do it, that he could get the African-American community to collectively turn on him in an instant and without a twinge of conscience. He was right.


Obama's problem is that he's shown his true colors. A repeatedly dishonest, pandering, backstabbing, say-anything character.
Hopefully Democrats will wake up before the end of this Primary.

The AA community's problem is that everyone is seeing how the black community will stab their friends in the back without so much as a second thought. That realization will last for generations.

[sueragingroz]

80. I give the AA community more credit

In the GE, in a Clinton vs. McSame match-up, they will vote with their concience....

and there will be a split.

They are a community like any other - with folks on either side of the fence.

Once the euphoria around Obama settles, folks will be forced to make choices... and they will take the longer view.

[gauguin57]

97. Liar. Phony. Panderer. Doing things for political reasons. You're talking about Hillary, right?

Dishonest. Backstabbing. Say-anything. Yep ... you're talking about Hillary. For sure.

[slinkerwink]

75. Dream on. The black community will stick by Obama. They know Wright was clowning around.

[sueragingroz]

81. oooh sounds cynical :)

[sueragingroz]

82. anyway, I need to go

Feel free to discuss this amongst yourselves.

Thanks for playing :)

[Neshanic]

83. Exactly. Excellent summary.

[Barrymores Ghost]

89. Woof. Another Dittohead for Hillaryous. Go figure. N/T

[Pisces]

85. Wow , you are taking heavy hallucinagenics.

[DangerousRhythm]

86. Eh.

It's just a bit of fantasy on my part, but... if you're right about him still being an atheist or possibly an agnostic, I'd probably like the guy even more, even if he did make a public show of mentioning how he "praises Jesus" while privately not doing so, perhaps slowly separating himself from the Jesus-worship once he's actually in office. I'd forgive him that because I know that the moronic masses would never vote for an EEEVIL atheist and would probably have to be shown by example that atheists aren't horrible people. I'm no fan of religion and politics mixing and having someone who could at least see that point of view would be nice for a change.

[sueragingroz]

92. you might like him more

And I might understand him a little better.

but that doesn't help him in the GE.

Both you and I know that.

It's about electability now.

He said it himself.

He also said that Wright is a political issue.

So it's fair game.

[mudesi]

87. If Obama is an atheist, than I'm officially an Obama supporter (nn)

[ecdab]

88. Wow, even Rove wouldn't sink as low as this OP. That takes some effort.

[Mooney]

90. Silliness!

[thevoiceofreason]

94. Born stupid, and learned nothing since.

[gauguin57]

95. I'd rather someone attend church for political reasons than vote for a bogus WAR for polititcal ...

...reasons, like Hillary did. She voted to OK the Iraq action because she was gonna run for president, plain and simple. And look at how many people -- both military and civilian -- are dead because of it. Look at how much the world hates us because of it.

Obama may have gone to church for political reasons, or he and Michelle may have wanted to find a church once they had a family. Or a bit of both. I know lots of minimal-believers who go to church mainly because they have kids and want that spiritual structure for them.

[AlinPA]

96. Great use of "under the bus". Double deckers are really effective.

[zulchzulu]

98. We took away your toy!

So now you think he really is an atheist... how FUCKING STUPID.

[durrrty libby]

99. Bravo

[JoFerret]

100. I wonder what Michelle Obama makes of all this?

.

[jasmine621]

101. DING! DING! We have a winner. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

104. How about Hillary tell us all about that creepy prayer cult she's been in for 30 years?