IT'S A SET UP! Jeremiah Wright's disastrous NPC appearance was organized by a Clinton supporter!

[kwenu]

It appears the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's abominable appearance at the National Press Club was organized by an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter. Is Wright acting as a shill for Hillary? Is the media wrongly assuming that Wright is an Obama supporter instead of a Hillary supporter?


Link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/louis/index.html

[Indydem]

1. ITS' A LIE - Do a little research next time.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0408/Press_Club_President_responds_Reynolds_pitched_Rev_Wright_two_years_ago.html

"National Press Club president Sylvia Smith responded today to a Daily News article reporting that club member Barbara Reynolds, a Hillary Clinton supporter, organized yesterday’s breakfast talk with Dr. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

Smith said by phone this morning that she still doesn’t know if Reynolds supports Clinton, and doesn’t care either way.

“Reverend Wright is newsworthy, period,” Smith said."

[TexasObserver]

3. Wrong. That's not a rebuttal. It's an equivocation.

Of course Hillary's storm troopers are behind this latest flap.

[Indydem]

7. She pitched the idea for Wright 2 YEARS AGO! To hurt a freshman senator from IL? Hardly. n/t

[kwenu]

8. No she pitched it recently. The fact that she put him up years ago wasn't deemed newsworthy.

Now, it suits her political views. And she became the point person for getting it done. I ask you like the others. WHO DOES WRIGHT SUPPORT IN THIS ELECTION?!

[Indydem]

9. This is such BS. This was not designed as a hatchet job on Obama!

"An ordained minister, Reynolds, teaches at Howard University School of Divinity, and knows Wright personally. So she was the ideal contact person for Wright when the controversy broke in mid-March."

She pitched the idea because she thought he was a worthy news figure, not because she thought it would hurt Obama! What if she had voted for Kucinich or Edwards? Would you be making the same demonizing accusations? I highly doubt it.

[kwenu]

12. Answer the question. WHO DOES WRIGHT SUPPORT IN THIS ELECTION?

The only BS is a staunch Hillary supporter ensuring that a Hillary talking point gets a chance to make a fool of himself to benefit Hillary. If she was a Kucinich or Edwards supporter, I would say that there is no apparent conflict of interest here.

Well, there damn well is a conflict of interest.

[mac2]

15. I don't care. He isn't a Super Delegate

[Indydem]

17. Who Wright supports (if anyone) is irrelevent!

What makes him news-worthy is the role he has played in the life of the current front-runner for the Democratic nominee.

Thats it! His insane views and crazy talk reflects badly upon Obama's judgement.

He is newsworthy.

[kwenu]

24. By your own statement it's absolutely relevant.

You can't logically say his behavior reflects upon Obama when in fact he may have animosity towards Obama. It may very well be that he knows the media teat is feeding the public garbage and he chooses to be as outrageous as possible to stay in the spotlight. All the while the media doesn't vet him or ask him why he acts the way he does and whether he is supporting Obama. No sane person could examine this behavior and conclude that he is supportive of Obama.

[Indydem]

You may be correct...

But the simple fact remains, what the media has already churned up about Wright is enough to question, definatively, Obama's judgment; all this new drivel out of Wright is just icing on the bad-judgement cake.

[kwenu]

28. Does the media have a duty to follow journalistic ethics and integrity?

If so, then some very simple questions to bring a fair perspective should be in order. It seems all news media has become "fair and balanced" in the tradition of "FIX News."

[Indydem]

29. In what way are they violating ethics or integrity?

Post these "simple questions" so we can all bask in your wisdom!

[kwenu]

47. I thought you were leaving. But to put it simply...

If a journalist raises an issue, and there are very few journalists left, they have an ethical duty to do it in context. Showing sound bites out of context and then "creating" the news because you have nothing exciting to talk about is unethical. Attributing the bad behavior and statements of one person to a second person, when you KNOW that there IS NO bad behavior or statements on the part of the second person that suggests ANY belief in the bad behavior or actions of the first person is evil. It is conscious evil and the conscious act of "framing" a person. The media shouldn't be FRAMING people and then try to convince us that they are performing a sacred duty to inform and tell the people truth.

The media has no ethics. It is an entirely corporate and profit driven enterprise with the purpose of selling airtime to commercial interests to push products to viewers/listeners/readers. The TRUTH has become subordinate to the dollar.

[Tellurian]

38. nope, it's part of Kerry and Kennedy's Operation Chaos Plan

keep the public confused while they slip the knife in.. and you fell for it!

:rofl:

[mac2]

57. Dog and Pony Show?

[TexasObserver]

16. Things happen because someone with an agenda makes them happen.

You can't be as naive as you present yourself.

Also, you're an obvious Indy staffer for Hillary, transparently trying to plant stories or rebut themes you and her campaign don't like.

This will be the last of my posts to you.

[mac2]

58. It's planned that way.

Franklin D. Roosevelt said: "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

[democracy1st]

61. I tell you whats BS your girl Hillary getting with Richard Mellon Scaife

[leftynyc]

67. How many times do I have to link this

before you answer a very simple question. Why would Rev Wright join an African American Leadership Committee on Sen Obama's campaign if he supported Hillary? Simple question or are you now simpering under your desk without an answer?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/wright_removed_from_obama_advi.php

[ccharles000]

44. I disagree.

No matter who invited him he was not forced to go on a book tour and give speeches.

[kwenu]

4. Did the research. What's the lie? This woman has a conflict of interest a mile wide.

And we DON'T know who the Rev. Jeremiah Wright supports. Do you know?

[MonkeyFunk]

11. How is it a conflict of interest?

This criticism is just stupid.

She didn't make Wright say what he said. She didn't have sole authority to present him. She had no way of knowing if Wright would help or hurt Obama in his speech.

You guys are really stretching.

[kwenu]

19. Is it as stupid as accrediting the statements and behavior of one man to another?

Could you answer that for me?

[Indydem]

21. Are you for real? Do you really have to ask this question?

He's Obama's Pastor! He married him. He baptized his children. Obama joined his church, and sat in his sermons for nearly 20 years.

WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT OBAMA THAT HE NEVER LEFT THE CHURCH AFTER THAT MUCH HATE!?!?!

That is what this is all about, if you can't make that simple connection, I'm not sure there's hope for you.

[kwenu]

25. It says that you don't go to church because the church is the superior body. The pastor is HIRED!

Excluding Catholics of course who have a top down system. No one I know of leaves the church necessarily over a pastor.

[Indydem]

26. He specifically joined that church because of Wright and the impact he was having on the community.

n/t

[kwenu]

30. Lies. He joined the church because of the church's impact. Wright was the pastor.

Are you telling me that Wright did all the community outreach on his own? Of course not. It's the CHURCH!!!! It's not a one man organization.

[Indydem]

33. TRUTH!! Do some freaking research you lazy bum!

"A young Barack Obama was searching for answers, and perhaps a place to belong, when he decided to visit a fast-growing church recommended by friends. What he heard left him in tears.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preached that day about suffering — about the seemingly endless problems of the world and of individuals. But he also talked about the importance of hope, the audacity of believing things can be made better.

"Hope is what saves us," Wright said.

That message moved Obama to embrace Trinity United Church of Christ, along with its philosophy of translating faith into action."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hYL_ICCVB3g8UAtMxocStkw0uwOgD8VQEMF80

HE JOINED THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF WRIGHT AND HIS MESSAGE. End of story.

[kwenu]

36. Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is understanding.

Indy's cited passage:

"A young Barack Obama was searching for answers, and perhaps a place to belong, when he decided to visit a fast-growing church recommended by friends. What he heard left him in tears.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preached that day about suffering — about the seemingly endless problems of the world and of individuals. But he also talked about the importance of hope, the audacity of believing things can be made better.

"Hope is what saves us," Wright said.

That message moved Obama to embrace Trinity United Church of Christ, along with its philosophy of translating faith into action."





Did you even understand your own post, Indy? Lies, indeed. And you call me the lazy bum?

[Indydem]

37. It was good back-and-forth posting with you. You obviously have an agenda and will not be swayed.

Take care.

[kwenu]

39. Of course I'm not going to be swayed because I'm right. When I'm wrong, I admit it.

However, I don't expect others to live up to the same standard.

Take care.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. no one did accredit those statements to Obama

that's another ridiculous argument your side keeps making.

[kwenu]

27. BS.

To say that Hillary isn't accrediting Wright's behavior to Obama is as much a lie as saying if she stays in the race she could overtake Obama. It's shameful behavior. How low can the Clinton campaign sink. Apparently, there is no bottom.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Show me a quote from Clinton

In fact, why don't you list ALL the occasions in which she's attacked Wright, or attacked Obama over Wright.

[kwenu]

43. Neither necessary nor worth my time. If you've been paying attention

to her at all, the media or even her performance in the last debate, you know this. If you haven't been paying attention, I suspect you're not going to start now.

[MonkeyFunk]

49. nice dodge

the fact is, you could only ever find ONE quote from Clinton regarding Wright, and that was in the editorial board interview where she was asked directly.

You guys BELIEVE that Clinton is out there trashing Wright every day, but in fact, it's just another Obama fan lie.

[kwenu]

50. I don't think she is trashing Wright everyday and you're wrong about her supposed one statement.

Apparently, you didn't watch her last debate or the clips of her stump speeches. Wright isn't running for office by the way.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. Neither is Bill Clinton

Geraldine Ferraro or Mark Penn. :shrug:

[kwenu]

62. On that we agree.

I don't consider any of those people to be alter egos of Hillary. Hillary is Hillary in the same tradition and standard of every other candidate for the presidency except of course, Obama, who has been described by the media as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Except Obama's Mr. Hyde is an independent person.

[Vattel]

54. last debate she responded to Gibson's stupid question with this:

"I was asked a personal question, Charlie, and I gave a personal answer. Obviously, one's choice of church and pastor is rooted in what one believes is what you're seeking in church and what kind of, you know, fellowship you find in church. But I have to say that, you know, for Pastor Wright to have given his first sermon after 9/11 and to have blamed the United States for the attack, which happened in my city of New York, would have been intolerable for me. And therefore I would have not been able to stay in the church, and maybe it's, you know, just, again, a personal reflection that regardless of whatever good is going on -- and I have no reason to doubt that a lot of good things were happening in that church -- you get to choose your pastor. You don't choose your family, but you get to choose your pastor. And when asked a direct question, I said I would not have stayed in the church."

I don't see any accrediting of Wright's remarks to Obama, nor do I see anything wrong with what she said. Thank God for Monkeyfunk--always a dose of reality around here.

[earthlover]

41. Isn't it true that when Bill Clinton needed spiritual help, Wright was one that was tapped?

The more I think about this fact, the more interesting it becomes....

[Windy]

5. How does that make it a lie? Reynolds clearly supports Clinton

and she arranged the conference.

[mac2]

14. It makes sense to me that Hillary would know Rev. Wright.

He is a famous black minister from Chicago. Hillary was raised in Chicago. Her husband knew him. So did the powerful in the party. Wright loved it. He also knew Obama for many years.

Wright made himself "newsworthy".

You are angry he isn't just Obama's guy?

[Crooked Moon]

2. did she feed him talking points, too?

[kwenu]

6. Did she have to? Who does Wright support in this election? Answer that for me.

[leftynyc]

63. He supports Sen Obama

Or do you have an explanation for his being on his African American Leadership Committee. Here's the link for when he was removed from that position. You sound like you're foaming at the mouth on this issue. You're wrong, why don't you just admit it.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/wright_removed_from_obama_advi.php

[leftynyc]

65. I want an answer to my question

Or are you too much of a coward to admit you were wrong after figuratively jumping up and down and screaming that it was a Clinton plot

[Raejeanowl]

13. Did She Force Him To Parrot

Quotes he has previously made from the pulpit? Shocking!

[Lucky 13]

10. Hillary had NOTHING to do with this!!!

as far as I know...

[mtnsnake]

18. I think it was all Bill's fault (snicker)

[Peregrine Took]

20. Bottom line: Obama has poor judgement and you can't blame HRC for

that.

[kwenu]

32. No. No. Hiding a law firms billing records for 2 years after same records were subpoenaed is poor

judgment. Attending a church with an eccentric pastor is no big deal. There clearly is a difference factually and legally.

[hell-bent]

45. Holy crap, you Obamatrons have your tinfoil hats

on and tuned for some crazy shit. Surely you jest about this wild Clinton conspiracy! Have you consumed too much of that special Kool-Aid? WTF!

[NEDem]

46. No tinfoil here.

Maybe you don't remember, but she really did hide the records.

[kwenu]

52. Exactly. It isn't even in dispute. She did it.

[wileedog]

35. She voted for the worst foreign policy decision in our country's history

Clearly her judgment is better than someone with a kooky pastor.

[JMDEM]

22. K & R. NT

[Ronnie]

34. Did she also put the words into his mouth?

[suston96]

40. Actually it was a set-up - between Obama and Wright - think about it....

....Wright telling Obama: throw me under the bus after I say what I say....Trust me...It will work.....and the media will help sell it

[kwenu]

48. I thought about it. I've decided to trust my eyes and ears.

[dailykoff]

42. It's possible.

He's being manipulated, that's obvious. Whether he's purposely feeding the media red meat I can't really tell.

[QC]

53. Did she hypnotize Wright, or replace him with a pod person? n/t

[Ramonna Villota]

55. And I thought

The KGB was bad...

[autorank]

56. I can't fathom why this doesn't have 100 recs. We knew didn't we.

What a cheap trick in this campaign of cheap tricks. This is a deliberte tear down of Obama. It's
based on nonsense and inuendo except when the rhetoric soars into new levels of smears like the
inference that Obama is not qualified to be president and that Obama doesn't love his country - sneaky,
nasty stuff designed to smear but, at the same time, be plausibly denied by the perpetrators.

I'm not a fan of Obama's platform but I find Clinton's rhetoric and, more importantly, her campaign a disgrace.


Shame, shame, shame ....

[leftynyc]

64. Why would Rev Wright join

Sen Obama's campaign and serve on an advisory committee if he supported Sen Clinton? You all sound nuts.

[ClayZ]

59. I wondered if that would be the case.

Damn, what a horrible thing to do.

[FrenchieCat]

60. I just think that our media is dishonest

and they are in charge.

Hillary will not become President in my lifetime. Period.

[Texas Hill Country]

66. omg - this hunk of crap again?