I found no passionate denunciation regarding Rev. Wright from Obama today.

[Tennessee Gal]

I saw and heard a lot of hmmmmmmmmmmms, ummmmmmmmmms, and ahhhhhhhhhhhs.

People who are truly passionate about what they are saying have no need for such. They speak with a conviction that requires no pauses.

[anamandujano]

He was just pissed that the guy turned on him, not about anything

he said.

[mac2]

49. You have to be careful who you chose to help you run

for President. Both candidates have seen some go. Obama's minister is just another of those things which got out of control (thanks to the media). Rev. Wright loved the attention and money too.

I agree I didn't see any denunciation from Obama regarding Rev. Wright.

There's another questionable person in his campaign.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/919177,CST-NWS-pritz28.article Obama campaign financial adviser.

Hold on the kichen is getting pretty hot. What ever the reason or plan, they are always there. It might be the power which attracts them don't you agree?

[Tennessee Gal]

107. Yes and it showed.

[jefferson_dem]

1. Disgustingly stupid post.

n/t

[rodeodance]

17. The only thing Obama got OUTRAGED about was when Wright said he would do anything to get elected!!

[Yossariant]

23. Absolutely!

Wright on Moyers Show: "He's a politician, I'm a pastor. We speak to two different audiences. And he says what he has to say as a politician."

OBAMA, today: "And what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing...

[dionysus]

84. your act is stale, maybe you need a nap

your banky maam'

[SeaLyons]

130. I agree, Rodeo..

The only time he speaks out is to save his candidacy. No sincerity whatsoever!!

[file83]

73. Agreed. Totally stupid post.

Had Obama been "passionate" then they'd say he was "frazzled" or "irrational".

But if he gives a mature, respectful, and clear message, they call him "unpassionate".

WHAT THE FUCK EVER. They just don't like Obama, so anything he does they won't like.

[JI7]

2. his hmmmmmmmmmms, ummmmmmmmms, and ahhhhhhs, sound more passionate than anything

Hillary has ever said.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Does trumped up school-marmish outrage not impress you?

How about faux weepy concern about "falling backwards"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmyrGBw5jFg&eurl

[cliffordu]

3. Blah de blah de blah blah blah. We got it, on to the next, please.

Find something new to slime the next President about, will ya??

The thing I like about Hillary the most? Tuzla.

[virtualobserver]

9. I like the fact that she took a hit of LSD before she hit the tarmac

[cliffordu]

27. You mean locked and Loaded??

[symbolman]

79. Sheesh!

You know when you see her without makeup she looks just like Robocop with his helmet off :)

[TheDoorbellRang]

4. Next time he'll call Hillary's drama coach for advice.

She's got the whole gamut of emotions nailed -- a new emotion every day. Quite impressive.

[gateley]

29. To steal from Dorothy Parker --

she runs the gamut of emotions from A to B.

[TheDoorbellRang]

78. LOL

Gotta love Dorothy Parker. That was one I hadn't heard.:thumbsup:

[gateley]

94. She said it about

Katherine Hepburn early in her career.

[Hepburn]

91. Snark....

...:hi:

[gateley]

95. Coincidentally,

she said it about Katherine Hepburn! It was early in Hepburn's career.

:hi:

[CakeGrrl]

5. As opposed to a slick-as-you-please, clearly articulated LIE about ducking sniper fire.

Yeah, that's much better.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

45. she has publicly apologized. mature folks have accepted that apology.

[CakeGrrl]

62. Yeah, apologized after "misspeaking" 4 times, but that's beside the point.

I find some irony in the OP going to such petty lengths to find fault with the delivery of a non-rehearsed statement by Obama, when the sheer content of Hillary's statements provides true discussion fodder.

[rodeodance]

68. only for some petty DU obama fans.

[DarienComp]

6. Mmmmmmm, substance-y!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Or they can lie like a pro. Like your candidate.

Ummmm......ahhhh....you.....suck.....Tennessee Gal.

:thumbsdown:

[Tennessee Gal]

33. How nice.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

83. Fuck you. You're the one with the shitty OP mocking someone's speech.

Eat shit.

How's that for "nice"?

Asshole.

[Tennessee Gal]

108. Brilliant aren't you.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

119. I'm right about you. nt

[JeffR]

8. Thanks for the cogent, deep, startling, searing, bold, clear analysis

Much appreciated.

[EFerrari]

10. I can't believe you're still posting here. n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

20. Been posting here longer than you.

[StevieM]

22. But you're a Hillary supporter which means that you have somehow become the enemy

The Obama people have declared us persona non grata. Good luck to them with that in November, if Barack is the nominee.

Steve

[emilyg]

25. Keep posting.

[EFerrari]

31. Yes, you have. Maybe I shoud rethink this whole proposition. n/t

[uponit7771]

11. Would you vote for Obama if he were passionate? Thx in advance

[Tennessee Gal]

40. My state plays no part any longer in who gets the nomination.

I voted for Edwards in early voting, but on 2/5/08 Tennessee went for Hillary.

[Tennessee Gal]

12. Some people just cannot face the truth.

A true denunciation from a political candidate faced with the likes of the things said by Rev. Wright would not have needed any pauses to think about what he or she was saying, especially when those things were a threat to his candidacy.

I have lived long enough and followed politics enough to know that for a fact.

[DarienComp]

18. Here, use this.

It makes it easier.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. Just because almost everybody disagrees with you doesnt mean youre right.

:*

[Tennessee Gal]

42. No kidding.

[Swamp Rat]

13. And Hillary did not denounce N.C. Gov. Easley for saying: "Hillary Makes Rocky Look Like a 'Pansy'”

She stood on the stage smiling and accepted his support.

[BenDavid]

15. T. Gal you are right on point there my friend. Plus, these questions

remain: Why did he stay a member of the congregation? Why didn't he speak up earlier? And why did he reward Rev. Wright with a campaign position even after knowing of his comments? Furthermore, after knowing about some of these sermons and having serious problems with some of their messages, why did Mr. Obama still decide to appoint Rev. Wright to his official presidential campaign religious advisory committee?(oh, I forgot obama forced him to resign)

Tenn. Gal you remember a few weeks ago obama said for the first time that had Rev. Wright not recently resigned as pastor of the church, he would have withdrawn. But that only reraised the same questions: Why didn't he act before the resignation? obama is big on the kennedy clan but he would have failed Robert Kennedy's test when one sees and hears bigotry."No – this is unacceptable." and "one that hears and sees bigotry or racism in any form must speak up then and not wait to do so". obama waited for 16 years to say anything and only after he had dug a hole so damn deep he cannot get out of it.

I say obama is more of a flawed candidate now and should just bow out and leave at least with his name intact.

Ben David

[Swamp Rat]

16. Hillary should have divorced Bill Clinton, and gone back to using just Hillary Rodham.

Now SHE wears the blue dress.

She cannot win the GE.

No way in Hell.

[Traveling_Home]

19. !!!!!!!!!!!!!HO!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[mac2]

125. Guess Hillary was right to call it a "Right Wing Conspriacy"

attack on her family. The sex story hid the real event...NAFTA and consolidation of the media. The Americas and open borders to follow.

[JoFerret]

21. He was outraged at being disrespected

.

[Tennessee Gal]

43. He did not show it.

[JoFerret]

76. Seems an odd thing to be "outraged" about

however he shows it.

[mac2]

126. Does he have a temper like McCain?

[Armstead]

26. I suppose you prefer he acted like a shreiking harridan?

[DarienComp]

30. "Shame on you, Jeremiah Wright! Meet me in Ohio!"

Maybe that's more along what she was expecting?

[Armstead]

32. Sumpin like that

Or maybe a little bit of finger wagging. "I did not have sex with Jerimiah Wright. That's a lie!"

[Why Syzygy]

112. lol!

[Tennessee Gal]

35. No, I would prefer that he spoke with the passion of outrage that was convincing.

He did not.

I have done it myself in much less important circumstances and/or forums.

When people are truly convicted of what they are saying it is easy to do.

This man is running for President of this country. He should be able to speak with an amazing amount of conviction. He did not do that today.

[Armstead]

56. Talk softly and carry a big stick

I think Obama made it very clear how angry he was. Just because he is understated and is not a Drama Queen doesn't mean he can't convey passion and conviction.

I'd rather have someone who is that way than someone like GW or Hillary or Bill who are histrionic.

[Tennessee Gal]

63. Passive objections are not convincing.

[graycem]

97. Yes

So then he could be framed as an angry black man... one of the morning shows were holding up a newspaper this morning, with him looking "angry" with FURY! splashed across it. They get more disgusting every single day.

[Tennessee Gal]

109. He has a right to be angry and it has nothing to do with race.

[emilyg]

28. He didn't have a teleprompter.

[Tennessee Gal]

37. He should not need one.

[mac2]

55. From now on he might just do it to come across as

confident in his message. He can go off it if he wants.

[emilyg]

105. I was being sarcastic.

[Name removed]

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[Tennessee Gal]

36. Too bad for you.

I pity you that you do not understand ethics.

[Forkboy]

53. I think I have a better grasp on them than you do.

If your OP is any indication.

[Tennessee Gal]

65. Really? You don't know me.

Shame on you for such a generalization.

[Forkboy]

67. Save it. Your OP generalizes about how passionate people must speak to be believable.

Shame on you for such a generalization. And a totally shallow and sophomoric one at that. Do you really judge someone because they say "Umm" a lot?

Look in a fucking mirror sometime before whining about my comment, because you're doing to Obama EXACTLY what you're complaining to me about doing.

[Tennessee Gal]

111. Good presidential candidates do not need to say ummmm... when they are

defending themselves or showing passion about something they truly believe.

[Forkboy]

118. You're a deep one.

:rofl:

[Tennessee Gal]

131. And you are shallow.

[Forkboy]

132. LOL...after you whine about HOW someone says something instead of WHAT they say?

:rofl:

First good laugh I've had today. So at least you're good for something.

Lord know analysis isn't it.

[Name removed]

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[Tennessee Gal]

46. No. I am not a teacher.

I teach professional ethics in my field.

[Hepburn]

93. Hint ~~ find a new career.

If your OP is any indication of your talent, it is clear you are in the wrong field.

[Tennessee Gal]

113. LOL! My peers chose me to teach ethics.

[mcctatas]

39. When I am speaking about something that is personally

painful to me, or that I feel a little conflicted about, I hmmmmmmm, ummmmmmm and ahhhhhhh. Of course, a politician who has no loyalty or conscience left would have come out with a carefully prepared screed, but sometimes, (gasp) politicians are still human!

[Tennessee Gal]

47. Come on now! In such a position even I could speak coherently with conviction.

[mcctatas]

58. So now you're emotional pokerface is the standard that we

have to measure our candidates by? I thought it was assinine when Obama supporters beat the Hillary crying in NH thing into the ground, because even if she isn't my first choice, she's better than McCain, and your opinion on this is equally full of shit!

[last_texas_dem]

41. I don't think speaking abilities are a fair way to judge someone's passion

Some people are totally full of it but can successfully convince anyone that they believe what are they saying 100-percent. (Some of them are sociopaths...)

Others sometimes stumble over every other word even if they're speaking straight from the heart. (I've had this difficulty at times myself.)

I can't say what I think of how Obama came across because I haven't seen this speech. I just think that, in general, the way that someone comes across in a speech is not necessarily the best way to judge their honesty/passion.

[Tennessee Gal]

50. GWB has shown us that.

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[Tennessee Gal]

51. Very eloquent response.

[stillcool]

48. Sorry Senator Obama did not display...

enough emotion for you. Jesus Christ what is this world coming to? It's almost like you want him to apologize like Bill did for screwing Monica. "I did not have sex with that Preacher"!

[Tennessee Gal]

54. I said nothing about emotion. I said conviction.

There is a difference.

[Secret_Society]

52. He does ummmm a lot

He'll have to work on that. You would think 21 debates would have helped, maybe he needs a 22nd.

[Seabiscuit]

69. It was excrutiatingly painful to watch and listen to.

The words that finally came out here and there between the seeming hundreds of uuuuuhhs.... ummmmms.... ehhhhhhs... were about anger but they sounded hollow the way they were delivered without any sense of conviction. I got the impression Obama was feeling crushed over the media's response to Wright's outlandish performance before the press club and in that interview with Bill Moyers and was just fumbling around onstage in a fog trying to say something that might help him get this albatross off his back.

[MadBadger]

57. Somebody tell me how I can just turn off ALL the fucking morans at once?

[GoldieAZ49]

61. They keep all the people with no problems in one place

the cemetery.

Short of that we live with and around people that are a diverse group. It keeps life from being boring.

[dionysus]

86. in other news the shillbots have a crush on you

from BlackVelvet;

I know why he isn't posting in the guest forum. He's a coward who like a cockroach needs the dark to operate.

I never made a secret of starting this forum....I posted the link right on D.U. I even gave guests a place to post their side of things without having to register. What I didn't do was open the front door and invite them into our living quarters.....not out of fear but because I don't want to deal with constant flame wars on this board.

hnmnf is so busy congratulating himself on being too smart to post here to realize he has exposed himself for the coward and rat that he is.

I can respect people who disagree with me but I have no respect for cowards and bullies.

[GoldieAZ49]

59. It was LAME He was pathetic and wimpy.

Wright made Obama and he has taken him apart.

The End

[mac2]

123. No speech writer or TelePrompTer?

[barack the house]

60. So baying for blood is classy oh dear me.

[Tennessee Gal]

66. I guess in your opinion there is no middle ground

between a passive denunciation and baying for blood.

[chill_wind]

64. I think he needed to cry a few FAUX TEARS. For the gullible who also bought it in NH.

No wait---- a signed affidavit of his conviction in BLOOD. Would that do if for you?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

70. Obama said, he could no more denounce the Rev Wright then he could denounce his white grandmother"

[rodeodance]

71. Obama got ticked off that Wright was saying obama would say anything to get elected......

Faux outrage---It was all bout the big ME.!!

......
"He's a politician, I'm a pastor. We speak to two different audiences. And he says what he has to say as a politician."

[CADEMOCRAT7]

72. This is not true, perhaps in your experience, but not in my experience.

It seemed to me that Obama was "pained" at what has happened and showed true emotion. It was obvious that he was suffering.

[eridani]

74. I haven't heard Hillary denounce her own Hitler-admiring shitstain of a spiritual advisor n/t

[RichardRay]

75. Is everyone required to express their emotion the same way?

It seemed pretty deeply felt to me. That's possibly because I tend to speak the same way when something is coming from my feelings without a lot of preparation on the rational side. Maybe it's a guy thing? Anyway, I tend to speak with long pauses and make space filling noises while I'm waiting for the next words to find their way out. I've been told (by my former wife, for one) that it's quite difficult to listen to.

So, unless you're willing to tell me that I never speak from conviction, on that basis alone, then your OP doesn't hold up. Perhaps you can make an argument instead of just a claim?

[Buzz Clik]

77. Let me say this with conviction:

You're a phony.

[NJmaverick]

80. I have found Hillary supporters see and hear what they WANT to see and hear

[yourguide]

81. Just because he didnt denounce...

in the same way Hillary Clinton denounced Mark Penn, IE: We are firing him (but not really, we are keeping him on the payroll) and instead of actually firing him she paid him DOUBLE in March what she paid him in Feb...

Oh stop.

[symbolman]

82. Bet you make fun of the dyslexic

and retarded people too, huh?

To people in the Midwest people like you, and I use the term "people" loosely, sound real funny too.. Like you got a lot of rubberbands in your mouth.. Coming from some people its kind of charming, others not much..

Go to a shrink, mention the word Sociopath, he might be able to help you...

[jeffrey_X]

85. No..he's pissed that our stupid fucking political system and MSM have decided to focus

on this issue. A FUCKING NON ISSUE!

[Hepburn]

87. Are you stupid....or do you just play a completely stupid person on a message board? n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

114. No more than you.

[livetohike]

88. People who read their teleprompter instead of speak from their

heart sound like zombies.

[yardwork]

89. If Reverend Wright is bothering you this much, you might be a racist.

Just my opinion.

[Tennessee Gal]

115. Wright is not bothering me. Obama's response about this is not

what I would expect.

[mac2]

124. Racist for not liking a big mouthed preacher? They come

in all colors, I believe.

[marshall]

90. What more can he do?

He's denounced his statements, distanced himself from him. Must he tar and feather the man on Fox News?

[nomaco-10]

101. Maybe he should openly weep or ....

cackle at inapropriate moments, or start every sentence with "you know".

[JimGinPA]

92. Everyone With An IQ Over Double Digits Did Though...

Must be why you're drawn to the scripted shrillness of HRC.

[graycem]

99. Maybe she likes

people who talk...

like a typewriter...

and have to use their hands...

to emphasize every word...

so she is taken seriously...

and begins nearly every sentence...

with the words "you know"...

:eyes:

[Tennessee Gal]

116. And your insults accomplish what?

[AllentownJake]

96. Really

The headline in my morning Paper was Angry Obama.

[nomaco-10]

98. Channel surfing this am ....o'reilly........

was on the faux morning zoo by phone, the moronic morning "cast" tried really hard to get o'reilly to say obama wasn't "sincere" just like the op, to which he replied "I thought he was very sincere and, in fact, I was one of very few people that respected him for not throwing wright under the bus".

The morning morons were aghast, but deferred to o'reilly with their dead silence. It was strange.

[reflection]

100. Delivery over content. Got it. n/t

[chill_wind]

102. I'm sure you would like him to do it over again tomorow. You know, just to "get it right."

And the day after. And the day after that.

Not bloody likely.

[NYCGirl]

103. And here's Hillary's home town paper:

[mac2]

122. That's not the big newspaper in Chicago.

The Chicago Tribune and the Sun Times are read by most people in the area. I don't believe the readership of this star rag type publication.

[TexanDem]

104. some people just want to criticize everything. Stupid post!

[Tennessee Gal]

117. I know what I expect of the next President.

[mac2]

121. The President of 2008.

For President of the world's most successful Democracy we don't want...

-A Hitler who brings genocide and world war for an elite rule.

-A Caesar who wants "unending war" to rape and rule the world leaving many societies far away destroyed and destitute for many hundreds of years.

-A Neapolitan who wants to unite all of Europe against their will.

-A Nero so self involved and selfish he ignores a crisis that destroys his great city while he fiddles.

-A Attila the Hun who murders everyone is sight to create fear thus forcing them to accept his rule.

-A Medici who feels he can have absolute power and wealth saying God appointed him.

-A king like Nicholas Romanov Tsar of Russia who lives lavishly and in arrogance while his citizens starve.

-A Stalin who murdered millions of his own people for power and a political philosophy.

-A Hoover who left people begging in the streets for food and homes because of his "do nothing" policy in a time when our country needed leadership.

Here's the historical first for the world…

-A Bush who pollutes and destroys forever the earth’s environment and resources for profit and power.

When you think about it, President Bush has done a little of all the above to America and the world. He should be impeached and tried at The Hague for environmental damage,war crimes against other countries who did not attack us, and breaking international treaties (signed by previous Congresses). He can not change those without Congressional and citizen approval.

We must learn from history not repeat or even add a new horror to the world.

[izzybeans]

106. .

:rofl:

[Why Syzygy]

110. nt

[Barack_America]

120. What, just because he didn't threaten to "obliterate" Wright?

Not tough enough for you without ludicrous threats?

:shrug:

[Tennessee Gal]

127. Who said anything about threats?

I was posting about the way he speaks. Not what he says.

I am not impressed with the way he speaks.

[zulchzulu]

128. Halfwits are always behind the curve

You for example...

[Tennessee Gal]

133. You for example.

[casus belli]

129. Conviction like "I landed under Sniper Fire, it was hell" n/t