You Obama followers owe Hillary a big apology.

[jasmine621]

When she said that Wright would not have been her pastor, she roundly criticized by the Obama cult here. Clamor, clamor...Rev Wright spoke the truth...Hillary is just playing the race card...who is she to diss Rev. Wright...she should just shut up....Obama is loyal...Hillary will throw anyone under the bus for political gain...

Now you are lauding Obama as making a great decision...he did the right thing...he had to do it...Wright is a crazy man...poor Obama having to put up with that crazy pastor for sixteen years...Obama didn't know that Wright was like that...Obama never knew he was like that...he should have left years ago...

Blinded by the hate.

[leftofcool]

1. You noticed that, eh?

The irony is just so delicious

[InsultComicDog]

34. Sorry Hillary

[cosmicsheep]

36. sorry Hillary.. sorry you voted for the war in Iraq!!

An issue that has just a teensy bit more weight than this idiocy that is passing for "news"

[nxylas]

54. This cartoon says it all

[Political Heretic]

139. I don't have anything to apologize for, for the following reasons:

1. I never engaged in that stuff about Hillary
2. Wright remains to this day, basically right about more stuff than he is wrong about
3. Wright also, unfortunately, left Obama no choice but to separate from him do to his antics. Messenger <> Message. Message was largely true. Messenger was largely self-serving.

[Mezzo]

59. sorry that Obama was for the war before he was against it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN30M6StFfk


"The only time I said..." is VERY VERY VERY differnet from "I was against it from the start."

PS. Gotta link to him ACTUALLY saying he was against that war? Not referencing it in the subjunctive mood, but the ACTUAL footage of this supposed speech? Not where he "re enacts" the speech, but it...THE speech.

[PoliticalAmazon]

99. Do you have ref. for Hillary's "against-the-war" sentiments BEFORE she was running for office? n/t

[JoFerret]

119. You will really enjoy a McCain presidency then

.

[PoliticalAmazon]

102. DifferenceL Befire Hillary was simply doing Rove "gotcha" politics...

...At that time Wright had not shown himself to be an asshat on steroids.

You are attempting to take new evidence that occurred after Hillary's "gotcha" politics and claim she was right for doing "gotcha" politics because of new information found.

Doesn't wash, but nice try.

[tekisui]

2. It's amazing to me that any of it took place.

When has a candidate ever been forced to denounce their pastor. It boggles the mind when you take a step back.

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. It is incredible what we're witnessing.

It feels like Clarence Thomas claiming that he made it on his own, without the help of Affirmative Action. Unless Obama was raised in white suburbia, I believe his support and nurturing came from a predominantely black community. That's where he grew strong. No question that Wright belongs to a generation with serious trust issues, but they are legitimate for what his generation had to experience and endure. There should have been a kinder way to cut him loose.

I wish Obama could have selected his words more carefully, because they definitely were picked to assuage the fears of white voters.

[CaptJasHook]

100. I agree. Well said, nt

[jasmine621]

114. I believe he was raised is something more akin to white suburbia.

At least his book indicated that. He was raised by his mother with much help from his white grandparents. His first real experience with blacks urban living was when he came to Chicago.

[The Backlash Cometh]

117. That explains a lot.

May the chips fall where they may.

[wrando]

3. on the money

The clinton campaign was not responsible for anything to do with this Rev.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/

bill from ct

[ccharles000]

4. I absolutely agree.

[Ashy Larry]

5. Wrong.

She should have said, "I don't comment on other people's religious affiliations." If she had any class.

[TheDoorbellRang]

21. Exactly

But then, this campaign has shown just how much class Hillary has -- none.

[RichGirl]

27. Oh please!

Do you listen to yourself? The candidate running against Obama for the presidential nomination should not point out his faults???? Why...because it's Saint Obama, the almighty, he should be protected from the slings and arrows of campaigning...sheesh!!!

Obama has said many things to make Hillary look bad, so I guess he doesn't have any class either.

I wish Hillary would point out that if he is running on his good judgement, then his judgement in his choice of minister should be considered.

[Windy]

58. why are the words of someone else a fault of Obama's?

I go to catholic church and I don't believe that birth control and abortions should be banned nor do I believe the homosexuals are damned to hell.

I thought it was sad that the discourse in the media over Wright's personal statements caused Obama to have to completely sever ties with his pastor to gain the acceptance of white america...

Yes, some of the man's beliefs are over the top, but no more than some fundamentalist pastors or roman catholic priests!

I was very difficult for Obama to take a stand like that and I respect him for it, but find it incredibly disheartening that he had to do it.

[Binka]

135. Oh Jesus The First Graders Are On The Computer Again

Try again next year honey. Maybe your RW talking points won't need training wheels then. :hi: Blessed day RichGirl. LOL!

[Dawgs]

56. Exactly. Anyone that didn't see her comments as an attack are desperate Hillary supporters.

No apology is necessary.

[book_worm]

6. Hillary doesn't deserve anything but scorn from Obama supporters

she has run a lying campaign which has sought to destroy and she will not succeed. I don't care if Obama doesn't win a single more primary, after all Hillary lost 12 in a row and didnt' get out of the race. He will still pick up delegates and for all I care this can go to Denver and be decided there. Even if she won every state left she won't have won as many states as Obama has.

[indimuse]

18. blatant liar!

!

[ingac70]

22. Lying about what?

Hill's yarn about sniper fire? The comment that if she won every race from here on out Obama would have still won more races?

[dionysus]

66. can i ask you something, are you high or just not that bright?

because you seem completely inable to post a coherant thought...

[Evergreen Emerald]

48. people keep saying that and then when asked for specifics

they cite things that are not true, exaggerated, distorted as they completely ignore the fact that Obama plays political games, pretends to be above it while his surrogates attack and of course we cannot forget SC where he shouted "Racism!" to divide and conquer.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

98. agreed

her attacks have been despicable.

[hokies4ever]

7. Perhaps we think that

a candidate's church has nothing to do with his candidacy for President. Did the country judge JFK because of views held by The Pope?

Speaking of questionable associations, what about Hillary's biggest association, President Bill Clinton? Has she rejected and denounced Bill's blowjobs in the White House? Or did she just stay married to him to secure herself a Senate seat in New York.

Sorry for getting in the way of your coronation ceremony for Hillary the Great.

[Yossariant]

17. Psst! JFK was forced to publicly address the issue of his Catholicism.

[hokies4ever]

143. Psst! Obama has already addressed the Wright issue

[Triana]

8. I think HILLARY, Wright, and Ms. Reynolds owe Obama a big apology..

...he is their common enemy and they collectively sought to destroy him politically over something / someone that NO ONE ELSE than an African American candidate would have / could have been destroyed over.

Reynolds is a GOOD FRIEND of Wrights - closer friend than Obama is or ever was. She tried to get him to speak at the NPC a couple years ago. Barbara Reynolds was told then that he wasn't enough of a media figure to be bothered with then. OH BUT NOW he is. So again she put forth his name - her good friend Jeremiah Wright - who had a beef with Obama for having denounced his "God Damn America" words, and of course Barbara Reynolds STAUNCH HILLARY SUPPORTER she is - certainly would like to see Obama destroyed and of course Hillary, Obama's opponent in this primary, would also like to see Obama destroyed because at this juncture, it's the only way she can "win".

ALL HAD A COMMON ENEMY IN OBAMA - so there they went and the lamestream media right behind them because THEY, TOO want to destroy the Democratic frontrunner - It'd be Hillary if she was frontrunner and WILL BE if she somehow gets the nom. WATCH.

THUS, I think these three people owe Barack Obama a big apology. Of course he'll never get that from them. What he'll likely get is a lot more of the same because he is their common enemy. AND the media's.

NO ONE OWES HILLARY a damned thing. THAT IS THE PROBLEM - she thinks we do. Her narcissism and self-centered worldview is only matched by Wright's.

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[jpak]

10. Please tell us about Clinton's "pastor" - and the RW DC cabal he leads...

:popcorn:

[CBGLuthier]

11. Well I will write to President Obama

and suggest maybe he owes the senator an apology.

Of course he may want to get around to solving some of the problems that the senator from NY enabled during her tenure so how's about in 8 years on the last day of his administration he says sorry to the senator.

Will that work for you?

[shaniqua6392]

12. Just the fact that we are supposed to believe Obama did not know

Wright was such a nut job, is ludicrous at best. He knew for the past 20 years what kind of person his mentor, pastor and friend was. If he did not see any of this one would have to think he does not have the good judgment credentials that he claims he has. Everything about Rev. Wright was wonderful until Obama found that it was not politically expedient to be associated with him. Then he chucked the good Rev. under the bus. I think Obama could eat a baby on live television and some of his supporters would make excuses that he was "just hungry". We need to hold our politicians more accountable.

[waiting for hope]

26. It all sounds a little Bush like to me -

20 years is a long time be be committed to one organization.

[The Doctor.]

30. Nice brainwashing you got there... Since when is Wright a 'nut job'?

[shaniqua6392]

37. That is my opinion whether you like it or not.

I think he is a nut job. I have listened to several of his sermons. If my pastor spoke like that I would have run out of the church. I am entitled to my opinion. I have researched the Rev. Wright and come to that conclusion. He does not do my people any favors when he preaches in that manner. He sets them back about 50 years. We have become better than that.

[keith the dem]

44. YOU ARE SIMPLY WRONG!

Have you really looked at what he has accomplished, have you listened to the whole of any of his sermons, Do you know anything about his denomination, The United Church of Christ.
I'm afraid you are the nut job who apparently believes everything the right wing media tells you!

The Right Wing Media has perfected the media assassination: It started and continues with Jimmy Carter, It has been well documented with Al Gore. If you are here, you should know better.

Wright has an amazing record of putting "liberation Theology" into practice...Maybe that's too Liberal for you. Maybe you prefer the "Supply Side Jesus"

His recent statements may have been a little off the wall, but after his lifetime of work reduced to a few out of context sound bites, don't you think he has a right to be angry!!

[leftynyc]

69. So, how do feel about what Sen Obama

did yesterday? It can't be described as anything other than throwing Rev Wright under the bus.

[The Doctor.]

120. Uhh... sure it can.

He's made a 'clean break' to nullify the issue.

[The Doctor.]

45. I can respect that... if you can answer a question...

What, specifically has Wright said that has 'set your people back'? And I don't mean the out of context sound bites the M$M has on an endless loop. If that's all you're going by, then don't bother.

This is a productive direction of discussion as I look forward to your convincing me of your reasoning. I'm open.

Also, I hope you don't think that being black prequalifies your position. It lends perspective, but I've seen too many people assume that being black means they are the irrefutable authority on an issue.

Like this asshole;
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53880

I'll be back in a bit.

[The Doctor.]

95. Nothing yet?

I'm sure you're busy and will come up with something by tomorrow.

[The Doctor.]

146. Still nothing. Whatta shock.

I'm afraid I can't respect an opinion you have no basis for and are incapable of supporting, especially one as negative as suggesting that a patriot who served his country 'set your people back 50 years'.

Absolute bullshit.

[bowens43]

13. We don't owe hillary anything

the woman is a despicable hypocrite. Amazing that she forgot to mention that she in bill went to him for spiritual guidance after the monica thing. Hillary is a liar who will do or say anything if she thinks it will help her obtain the power that she feels, is rightfully hers.

[Lannigan]

82. Someone please post a link

stating how Bill went to Wright seeking spiritual guidance after Monica.

the only references I've seen dragged out to Bill and Wright were when Wright was one of MANY pastors invited for a meeting at the WH.

[Aloha Spirit]

91. Not gonna happen because it's not true, but here's a politifact.com piece evaluating the claims:

last Friday:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/455/
and what Obama initially said about it:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/456/

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[mattclearing]

15. I'll apologize as soon as she apologizes for her IWR vote. n/t

[Schema Thing]

16. Wright just had his two days in the sun two days ago

things do change you know.

Wright chose to openly challenge Obama (which is his right to do). Obama chose to respond with his own thoughts on the matter.


None of this should matter in the first place, but thanks to our ever-so-responsible media, it does.

[frickaline]

19. partisan division within the democratic party makes me sick.

:puke:

[DeanDem10]

20. O owe Hillary exactly nothing. But,

she owes me an apology (many, really) for her shameful conduct of this campaign. The only big operation she has ever managed in her lifetime is this campaign and we see the nastiness of it, the chaos of it, the Mark-Penned nature of it, the shake-your-head and wag-your-finger haughtiness of it, the snarky-comment-infested nature of it. We deserve an apology for her war vote, her husband's (since she takes credit for his administration's accomplishments) nearly privatizing Social Security behind our backs. He halted that plan when the Lewinsky scandal broke. (See Joe Conason's book Raw Deal for more on this.) Note that Conason is a defender of the Clintons (written a book defending them against impeachment).

But most of all, we see the divisiveness of it. There is a huge double standard. Hillary can hang out with any religious group she wishes, including her long association with The Fellowship. But we are supposed to believe that only Barack Obama is responsible for everything his pastor or religious group does. Not Hillary. Not John McCain.

Hillary owes me an apology big time. But we'll never get such a thing. Her campaign is only about her--and taking us back to the 20th Century. I may be Hillary's cohort in age and gender, adn party, but I am not so foolish as to think going backwards into the clutches of the DLC is a good idea.

[Catchawave]

23. I see the outpouring of "unity" here.....lol

....and the defiance tells me you're right jasmine :D

[mmonk]

24. The same Hillary Clinton who had Wright help her and Bill

through thier marriage difficulties? Save the bull for stupid people.

[jasmine621]

31. SOS. That is a proven blatant lie.

I guess you are one of those folks who believed that Hillary took the WH china when they left office?

[mmonk]

43. Pardon me. That Wright was one of the pastors that Bill Clinton

called upon to help him spiritually after the Monica Lewinsky situation. I apologize. Go back to your honest work with no ill intentions towards Obama for your very honest and above board politician.

[ingac70]

46. ....

[polmaven]

105. There you go!!

President Clinton and Rev. Wright, all alone discussing Bills problems and misdeeds and looking for guidan.....Oh, wait.....WHO ARE ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE??????>

[mmonk]

51. I'll make you a deal. I'll apologize when Hillary Clinton apologizes

for trying to connect Obama to Farrakhan, Hamas, and terrorism on national television in the last debate.

[Zodiak]

77. non-sequitir

fail

[C_U_L8R]

25. Apologize nothing.

I am so tired of poseurs demanding apology.
It's such a self-absorbed exercise in delusion.
Bah.

[Binka]

123. Nah Let's Give Her An Apology "Sorry Hillary You Are An Opportunistic Asshole"

Now please step aside so we can unify this country and get to the serious business.

[yourguide]

28. Hillary Clinton owes ME an apology...

I voted for her for Senator the first time around...she voted us into Iraq.

Sorry, fail.

[melonkali]

131. COULD hillary have prevented the Iraqi war?

Honest question to which I do not know the answer with reasonable certainty. Going strictly on probabilies as I perceive them, and given the situation at that time, I seriously doubt any one senator, especially a relative newbee, or even small group of senators had any chance of preventing this war. So which, then, is the smarter move: show your ideals and make congressional enemies, or admit the inevitable and collect some political debtors in your camp, show not only the republicans but also we-the-people that you can work both sides of the aisle, accept defect when inevitable and use it later to your advantage.

[Binka]

137. Oh BULLSHIT she was a COWARD and an Opportunist Your Reasoning is disingenuous and fucked up

When the issue is life or death one does not do a political macarena. She had NO courage or scruples. Fuck her and your attempt to excuse her egregious BULLSHIT.

[graycem]

29. That's rich..

She is the epitomy of hypocrisy. Nobody owes her an apology because he was forced to do this. She still demanded that he be guilty by association, with her "He would not have been my pastor." She could've said religion has no place in politics but the high road isn't her forte. Then at the debate, she tried to tie him to Farrakhan (knowing good and well Rendell had praised Farrakhan when it was convenient and he needed the AA vote) and Hamas by extension of his pastor, she has done nothing but slam him on "associations" because she has nothing else. Apology? You MUST be joking.

For the record, everything Rev. Wright said about racism and oppression and our foreign policy is true.

[butterfly77]

92. Exactly...

plus the fact that she and bill said McCain is great but all Obama has is a speech...Apologize Never!

[pecwae]

32. K&R

[9119495]

33. Actually, Hillary owes me an apology...

All those lies and half truths...

Not to snipe at her or anything.

Again, are we supposed to give her credit for all the good things that happened during the 90s but none of the blame? No one seems to be able to give me a straight answer on that one.

[eridani]

35. When is she going to apologize for her own shitstain of a spiritual advisor? n/t

[leftynyc]

70. Link please

I haven't seen anywhere that she has called anyone a spiritual advisor.

[eridani]

73. Hot links coming right up!

And just think--she has the gall to call Obama an "elitist."

http://bendaniel.org/?p=158
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LVrQkunIZXo

This has the potential of becoming a huge story: Doug Coe, a man Hillary Clinton has called a “genuinely loving spiritual guide and mentor for many” has been caught on tape praising the personal relationships shared by Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler.

In the same speech Coe expressed admiration for the dedication of Chinese soldiers who, according to Coe, were forced to chop off the heads of their mothers as a demonstration of their commitment to the People’s Republic of China.


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehre...

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum. They get to use The Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, The Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by The Family's young women's group. And, at The Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already powerful.

<snip>

"Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

[eridani]

74. Hot links coming right up!

And just think--she has the gall to call Obama an "elitist."

http://bendaniel.org/?p=158
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LVrQkunIZXo

This has the potential of becoming a huge story: Doug Coe, a man Hillary Clinton has called a “genuinely loving spiritual guide and mentor for many” has been caught on tape praising the personal relationships shared by Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler.

In the same speech Coe expressed admiration for the dedication of Chinese soldiers who, according to Coe, were forced to chop off the heads of their mothers as a demonstration of their commitment to the People’s Republic of China.


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehre...

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum. They get to use The Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, The Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by The Family's young women's group. And, at The Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already powerful.

<snip>

"Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

[eridani]

75. Hot links coming right up!

And just think--she has the gall to call Obama an "elitist."

http://bendaniel.org/?p=158
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LVrQkunIZXo

This has the potential of becoming a huge story: Doug Coe, a man Hillary Clinton has called a “genuinely loving spiritual guide and mentor for many” has been caught on tape praising the personal relationships shared by Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler.

In the same speech Coe expressed admiration for the dedication of Chinese soldiers who, according to Coe, were forced to chop off the heads of their mothers as a demonstration of their commitment to the People’s Republic of China.


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehre...

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum. They get to use The Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, The Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by The Family's young women's group. And, at The Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already powerful.

<snip>

"Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

[leftynyc]

80. Oy Vey

Why can't we nominate an atheist??!!! This religious nonsense sets my teeth on edge and to try and pretend I understand any of it makes my head hurt.

And I already know about mccains clowns. This country will never move ahead until we take religion out of government - you know, exactly as the framers wanted it to be in the first place. I vow to vote for the first person who has the courage to say it's nobody's business and let each person decide for themselves what they can and cannot abide by.

[eridani]

122. You know very well why we can't nominate an atheist

I sympathize, believe me. Still, it really pisses me off that McCain's clowns and Clinton's clown get a pass because they are white.

[eridani]

136. She's only hung out with Coe's prayer group for 15 years

When is she going to formally repudiate him?

http://bendaniel.org/?p=158
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LVrQkunIZXo

This has the potential of becoming a huge story: Doug Coe, a man Hillary Clinton has called a “genuinely loving spiritual guide and mentor for many” has been caught on tape praising the personal relationships shared by Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler.

In the same speech Coe expressed admiration for the dedication of Chinese soldiers who, according to Coe, were forced to chop off the heads of their mothers as a demonstration of their commitment to the People’s Republic of China.


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum. They get to use The Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, The Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by The Family's young women's group. And, at The Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already powerful.

<snip>

"Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

Obama has given a beautiful speech on race and his affiliation with the Trinity United Church of Christ. Now it's up to Clinton to explain--or, better yet, renounce--her long-standing connection with the fascist-leaning Family."

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. K&R!

[Avalux]

39. Her motivation for what she said was to damage Obama. I owe her NOTHING.

Trying to even remotely compare what Hillary said to what Obama shows a lack of understanding of the situation. You are the one blinded by hate.

[symbolman]

40. as I recall during the debate she said a lot of wretched things..

and that seemed part of one of her usual run on sentences, mentioning Farakan in the same breath, 70's activist, parsing intimating that Obama's "friend" had blown people up, killed them, along with a lot of other VILE things that had nothing to do with the question..

Completely despicable, working for the Right Wing..

I wondered as I watched those wrinkly, pursed wormy lips pass that shit, if she ATE with that MOUTH.. No wonder Bill was out doing strange women, can't blame him in some ways, still immoral, and now she's damaged goods, a man hater who kept the guy who gave her one of the most Humiliating episodes in a century, kept him right there at home..

For political expediency, to further HERSELF.. Sicko..

[greguganus]

41. I'll apologize when she apologizes to all the soldiers' families after she voted for IWR. nt

[stillcool]

47. I think you Hillary followers

owe Obama a huge apology. How dare you criticize Reverend Wright, when you have Doug Coe as Hillary's spiritual adviser for the last 15 years.

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
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Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.
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Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html

[NJmaverick]

49. There is nothing honorable in Hillary's willingness to betray her friends the first chance she got

There is certainly a nobility in sticking by one's friend, until they leave you no other choice.

CHARACTER- IT MATTERS

[Dyllyn]

50. No problem I will apologize when she says sorry for the Obilteration remark

[AllentownJake]

52. I owe Hillary

Nothing.

[slackmaster]

53. Obama supporter who never disagreed with Senator Clinton on that checking in

:hi:

[JohnnyLib2]

55. Great OP!

And it obviously hit the mark.

Recommended.

[BurtWorm]

57. You might need to develop a little more nuanced sense of reality.

But so would the majority of Americans, probably, as well as the American media.

[rodeodance]

60. Thanks for having the courage to post.

[NoodleyAppendage]

61. Screw that. Hillary owes an apology to the voters of Ohio, to whom she LIED ABOUT NAFTA.

Hillary owes an apology to American consumers overly burdened by debt because of her vote FOR THE PRO-CORPORATE BANKRUPTCY BILL

Hillary owes an apology to American soldiers by cheapening the sacrifice they make because of her LIE ABOUT SNIPER FIRE.

Hillary owes Democrats as a whole an apology for ABANDONING work for the common citizen and currying favor with corporate power.

J

[Leftist Agitator]

62. I'll apologize to Hillary when she apologizes for this:

or this:



or this:



or this:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1051876891303_2003/05/03/ali,0.jpg

or this:



When Hillary apologizes for voting for the War in Iraq, I'll apologize for anything that you'd like, and not one moment before.

[dionysus]

65. well now you had to go and do it...

why can't you buy into the OP's (p)outrage? why must you post factual type thing? :shrug:

[dionysus]

63. Okay. I am sorry hillary, that I voted for you twice...

:eyes:

[Catherina]

64. Tell her to hold her breath for it ok n/t

[SeaLyons]

67. Agreed - big apology in order

Tell us Clinton supporters why you don't owe an apology.

This whole election is blinded by hate.

[dionysus]

90. lol @ "the hate card"

always the victim, you are...

[madrchsod]

68. hillary has her own problems with clergymen

i owe no one an apology

[Orsino]

71. Blinded by the hate, indeed.

Thanks for your concern.

[Shakespeare]

72. Is no one on this site capable of complex thought? Obama didn't need to denounce Wright until....

....Wright crossed a line by that disgusting diplay of ego at the NPC on Monday. THAT appearance wasn't about defending himself OR the black church; it was about challenging Obama and wanting center stage for himself. He was NASTY. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but thought Wright had gotten the shaft UP UNTIL that point (and had defended him here on DU). Then he made it personal, and ugly, and impossible for Obama to defend him.

[TragedyandHope]

76. I apologize to Hillary

for forcing her to tear down Obama and the Democratic party with a scorched earth campaign of fear and hate.

[juno jones]

78. I owe Hillary nothing

Perhaps she owes me an apology for pandering gas tax cuts like republicans do. Next she'll be promising me ponies.

[saltpoint]

79. I see your assertion the other way around.

Senator Clinton owes grassroots Democrats, especially long-standing ones, the apology.

[TwilightGardener]

81. I owe her a flaming bag of dog shit on her front porch.

That's about it.

[Milo_Bloom]

83. It wasn't her place to make that statement.

[yellowcanine]

84. If anyone needs to apologize it is Hillary Clinton - for being willing to say and do anything to

drag down Obama rather than focusing on issues that need to be focused on. She has cheapened this campaign.

[Rosemary2205]

85. I never flamed Hillary because I know she worships with the Christian Right

of course she would hate Obama's church. I expected no less.

[myrna minx]

86. How is it possible for you to make Hillary be the victim of the Wright flap?

Unbelievable!

[jasmine621]

113. How is it possible for you NOT to do so. nt

[Bensthename]

87. Hillary owes America an apology for swift-boating us.

Which lie should we start with?

[blm]

88. Of course Hillary wouldn't side with any black religion - she sides with Fascist Fellowship

and you don't CARE that the Fascist Fellowship group TRULY influences the RW agenda in DC for DECADES as you target black liberation theology as some sort of evil.

Where is Hillary's apology for misleading Democrats and her gullible voters who have no idea she has been consorting and meeting regularly with fascists since 1993?

[Seabiscuit]

89. Blinded by the hate, yes. Also blinded by the idol worship: he says "jump", they say "how high"?

[uponit7771]

93. She doesn't deserve an apology

[returnable]

94. Get back to us after Hillary apologizes for authorizing the invasion of Iraq

:hi:

[nichomachus]

96. I will apologize to Hillary when

she disavows the disgraced adulterer/perjurer who is out on the campaign trail for her.

[cliffordu]

97. TUZLA!!!

[haymakeragain]

101. That's rich. Save it for some Hillarian reunion dinner, after August.

That's all you'll have left after your charade ends.

[izzybeans]

103. .

:rofl:

You are slipping into a weird little place...come back to the light. It's wonderful out here.

[rateyes]

104. You've got it bassackwards. nt

[SoCalDem]

So sorry, Hillary..

sorry that you tried so hard and still can't close the deal.:)

and sorry that your husband's such an asshole..

sorry too that you got so far behind and felt the need to be such a terrible role model for young women..

the tips you are giving them are horrible..

1. marry an ambitious man..
2. push him to the top of the ladder
3. put up with any shit he shovels your way
4. use HIS success & claim it as your own
5. make up shit at will and lie when it suits your case
6. become HIM (with ovaries)

[Freedom Train]

106. So true!

But they won't apologize, blind, hateful and hypocritical as they are. Pathetic and sad.

[Indenturedebtor]

107. I will appologize to her when she appologizes to america

For being a lying traitorous sack of shit.

And here's your goddess of war displaying her classiness. Note the fact that she was given an opportunity by the RW to not go after the Wright thing more, but chose to be a slimy shitbag again:

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GIBSON: I'm getting a little out of balance here. Do you want to take a few seconds or do you want to go to the next question?

CLINTON: I think in addition to the questions about Reverend Wright and what he said and when he said it, and for whatever reason he might have said these things, there were so many different variations on the explanations that we heard.

And it is something that I think deserves further exploration because clearly, what we've got to figure out is how we're going to bring people together in a way that overcomes the anger, overcomes the divisiveness and whatever bitterness there may be out there. You know?

It is clear that, as leaders, we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasn't only the specific remarks but some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas, to put a message in.

You know, these are problems. And they raise questions in people's minds. And, so, this is a legitimate area, as everything is, when we run for office, for people to be exploring and trying to find answers.
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Yeah legitimise this nonsense while america drowns in problems you helped create. Go fuck yourself HRC! How's that for an appology!

[Why Syzygy]

108. They are both right. Obama and Wright. Why so exclusionary??

[BootinUp]

109. Sung to the tune of "She(He) Blinded Me With Science"

It's poetry in motion
And when he turned his eyes to me
As deep as any ocean
As sweet as any harmony
He blinded me with poetry
And failed me in honesty

When he's dancing next to me
(Blinding me with poetry)
(Poetry)
Poetry
I can hear cheering
(Blinding me with poetry)
(Poetry)
Poetry

It's politics in motion
And now he's making lies to me
The spheres are in commotion
The elements in harmony
He blinded me with poetry
He blinded me with poetry

And hit me with technology

When I'm listening close to him
Poetry
I can smell the perfume
(Blinding me with poetry)
(Poetry)
Poetry

It's politics in motion
And now he's making lies to me
The spheres are in commotion
The elements in harmony
He blinded me with poetry
He blinded me with poetry
And hit me with technology

Good heavens, Mr Obama
You're amazing

I, I don't believe it
There he goes again
He's tidied up and I can't find anything
All my tubes and wires
And careful notes
And antiquated notions
But, it's politics in motion
And when he turned his eyes to me
As deep as any ocean
As sweet as any harmony
Mmm, but he blinded me with poetry
Hhe blinded me with poetry
He blinded me with

[whistler162]

110. Sorry Hillary but you are still a

carpet bagger of the classic type.

[Cheap_Trick]

111. tell ya what

hold your breath waiting for my apology......that'll be fun to watch.

I owe Hillary NOTHING.

NOT

ONE

FUCKING

THING.

I don't OWE her my vote in November in the highly unlikely event of her nomination.

[cui bono]

112. OMG... apples and oranges anyone?

You don't really believe your OP do you? Cuz I'm sure you don't, so I'll save the time it would take to rebut it.

[JMDEM]

115. The most subtle way to lie is to conveniently leave out some context

Which the OP did.

Wright apparently made 4 bad comments in about 20,000 sermons. Obama stood by him, treating these as aberrations, which statistically, they were.

But then when Wright came out in public and started pushing these aberrant ideas over and over, Obama "divorced" him. Ah, so they weren't aberrations -- they really were the guy's beliefs. So Obama, considering the new evidence, dropped him.

What is so strange about that?

Good job, OP, in twisting the facts by leaving out some context.

[Unbowed]

116. No apology needed. She was playing "gotcha" politics. She should mind her own pastor.

Her religious connections are a Hell of a lot worse than Reverend Wright. I'd like to see her get off her high horse and start talking about The Family. Let's hear about how she is part of a religious group that is pushing a dangerous religion and government agenda.

Clinton was using Wright for political gain when she made her comments and that remains pretty low. You don't hear Obama talking about the cult-like, RW religious group Hillary belongs to. He could have easily retorted after her remark that he wouldn't belong to the Family. And boy, that would have brought the media right in on that story. Obama could have made the Family a big topic of conversation in the media, but he doesn't play that kind of politics. Obviously, Hillary Clinton has no such scruples. In fact, I haven't seen any evidence that she even knows what scruples are lately.

As far as Wright's comments go, he threw himself under the bus because of his own vanity. Saying a few insensitive things over a period of 30 years is one thing, but reiterating his comments shows that he didn't regret his remarks one iota. That wasn't defense. It was offense. That changed things dramatically. Hillary Clinton's remarks were made a while back and since she isn't prescient, Clinton had no way of knowing that he was going to do what he did.

She is just an opportunist who will use anything whatever to get what she wants. It doesn't matter to her if she lies, panders or attacks. It's all the same to Clinton.

Clinton is the one who should apologize, not just to Obama, but to all Democrats for her deplorable behavior.

[JoFerret]

118. Turncoats

.

[Maine-ah]

121. before watching RW on the tube on monday,

I would have said Obama was doing the right thing. Then I saw RW, and said to myself, Obama needs to do something about this.

and he did. I agree with him ending his friendship with RW.

[Downtown Hound]

124. Fuck Hillary. n/t

[Dr Fate]

125. She used this to make a Willie Horton style association that would push race buttons.

It's also the same reason she threw Louis Farakkan in the mix- the GOP's "Scary black man" technique...

Lee Atwater would be jealous.

[barack the house]

126. I said she should leave it alone as Obama has left her faith & home life alone mutual respct is all

I never once saw him mock Hillary voters either as he will honor and respect your vote, should only possibly he get the nomination. If there is no honor, then will they honor us, we can only hope. It's like a marriage built on trust. He's shown his trust and so I believe.

[swishyfeet]

127. I apologize Hillary, for thinking you were just a political opportunist

Clearly she only wanted what was best for Senator Obama.

I apologize to her supporters, for thinking they were just as pathetic
Clearly they only wanted what was best for the party.

[windbreeze]

128. The whole point IS....

that Wright was a non issue...I am just fucking sure I am going to vote for or against someone because of what their MINISTER does or does not say or do...what a bunch of bullshit!! Kill this already...it's over, it's done...and it's been all bullshit right from the get go!!wb

ps: sorry if I offend anyone's sensibilities...but I am SICK TO DEATH OF THE CRAP...how about we discuss THE REAL ISSUES FOR ONCE...

[CreekDog]

129. you forget why so many of us went from supporting Clinton to supporting Obama

and that's because she put a Democratic election at risk by using race as a wedge issue against Obama --that's the most important area where I disagree with her and it's decisive for me because it changed me from a Hillary voter to an Obama voter in a week.

the most important thing for me and for many of us is a Democratic victory in November. i can handle all the other disagreements, it was the way she campaigned against a fellow Democrat and likely nominee of our party that turned me against her.

what she said about Wright does not excite me, that's politics. the other stuff, where her surrogates used racial code words, much like Republicans did, stoked false rumors that Obama is Muslim, etc. etc. sent me over the edge and turned my support away from her.

so don't get excited over this and that issue, look back on DU and it's when she began doing that in January that Clinton's support plummeted at DU because DU'ers pay attention and many of her former supporters did not like what they saw her do and what it could do to our party.

[smiley_glad_hands]

130. Why does she still have her wacko pastor? She owes all Dems an apology. eom

[quakerboy]

132. Um

What about those of us dissapointed in Obama for buying this POS media conniption, And also in Hillary for playing to the racist crowd? At this point I tend to feel that Wright would make a better president than either remaining candidate. Wright is still right. Hillary is still wrong.

[jgraz]

133. Hillary can kiss my black ass.

[Lady-Damai]

140. Hahahahaha....DITTO! n/t

[kwenu]

134. I'm sorry that you've fallen and you can't get up Hillary.

[Jed Dilligan]

138. She doesn't care how we feel or what we think

That's why we're Obama "followers."

[Butch350]

141. I'm Sorry...

that you decided to run!

[Raine]

142. Sorry Hillary that I can't believe a word

that comes out of your mouth. :-(

[JoFerret]

144. Once again. Hillary

was in the lead and Obama followed behind.

[Usrename]

145. Odd how she never counseled Catholics to leave their church.

Does she think child molesters are bad too, or just those uppity black folks?

[DeeDeeNY]

147. Actually it's Hillary who should apologize

She forcefully (and correctly) stated in one of the early debates "I don't engage in hypotheticals". And yet when she was asked a hypothetical question about Wright, she took the low road and changed her tune, stating "I'm just saying, he wouldn't have been my pastor". So much for principles.