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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:31 AM
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something for the defenders of Wright ;at DU there were many
There were plenty here who defended Wright, probably until Obama gave him the gate

this is certainly not an anti Obama piece

http://www.observer.com/2008/blame-wright-s-enablers

bill from ct
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:40 AM
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1. Rev. Wright snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with his press club speech.
IMHO, he'd redeemed himself with the Bill Moyers interview.

If he had then shut-up, I for one would probably still be defending him.

That press club speech was WAY over the top.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:44 AM
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2. If one is a Roman Catholic or Sunni and attends the same church and mosque for 20 years, others
have considerable justification for believing that person accepts the teachings of that religious group.

I seen no difference with the Trinity United Church of Christ.

For someone like that to deny accepting the Roman Catholic or Sunni or Trinity teachings calls into question why that person falsely appeared to practice that religion for 20 years.

It is difficult for me to believe someone brilliant enough to graduate from Harvard's law school could be fooled for 20 years. :shrug:
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:49 AM
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3. I still defend Wright, regardless of what Obama does.
And I am a Clinton supporter.

Wright is about 95% right in what he says. A few things are over the top, but very few. This is mostly a media-manufactured crisis that isn't one.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:56 AM
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4. fair enough
but Wright hasn't been standing on Hillary's neck

Obama waited too long for his latest take on his pastor

he knew him very well and should have known better

bill from ct
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:08 AM
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7. This will pass. I don't think Obama waited too long.
Obama was responding to what Wright said on Monday, on Tuesday.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:31 AM
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9. disagree
Then maybe you can tell me why Obama scrubbed him from his event after being blessed in private.

Even us Hillary supporters know Obama is not stupid

He knew all along much more about this guy than the public knows now

Is his judgment that bad?, or maybe he was afraid, or maybe this latest dust up was premeditated

bill from ct
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:21 AM
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11. The truth is that Wright is not that bad.
and things that can be said within the black community and heard in perspective there don't travel well in the white world that doesn't understand it.

This is all about a culture gap that Obama doesn't have, but most whites do.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:42 AM
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13. agreed
but the super delegates were getting nervous and this was 100% political

there was nothing honorable about what Obama did yesterday, pure, naked, politics

bill from ct
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:09 AM
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8. Me too - an I'm an Obama supporter- although I also believe Wright went overboard on ego
and was insensitive to how his actions would effect Obama's campaign- and for that I am not supportive. Obama refused to throw Wright under the bus initially in spite of the first wave of concerns eminating from the famous "Damn America" soundbite-- but this time, Wright went too far.

With that said however, after listening carefully to his words, I can certainly understand why Obama was drawn to him- Wright is a brilliant and insightful man and has a lot to offer the world and yes- the media was a major factor in this drama.

When are they going to start playing soundbites of Hagee by the way? Oh yes - I forgot-- they don't like to do bad things to McShame-- he's their guy...
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 AM
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5. I can't figure out what defenders of Jeremiah Wright want.
On one hand, Wright's defenders think that everything he says is brilliant. On the other hand, they agonize over the fact that he is in the news. Who can figure this shit out?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 AM
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6. Rev. Wright. threw Obama under the bus Monday.
Until Wright went off the deep end who knew? God damn or God bless America was defended because Obama said he never heard those snippets in church. So I have no idea where you come from with this BS.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:34 AM
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10. do you believe that
Do you actually believe Obama knew nothing of the powerful remarks made by his pastor of 20 yrs?

That defies logic, even if he didn't hear all of them, I'm sure he heard about them. That is the nature of a community.

bill from ct
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:22 AM
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12. The remarks are wildly exaggerated, and you know it.
They are mostly controversial because they were taken out of context.

That is all. This has been shown many times on this board.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:49 AM
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14. disagree
the context made them more damaging

you and I may agree that many of Wright's remarks were undeniable, but now that the press has forced Obama to divorce himself from Wright they will be happy

but if you remember in his earlier "wonderful" speech in Philly he said he could never divorce himself from the pastor

is he now divorcing himself from the black community, those were Obama's words in Philly

the repubs are not done with this

bill from ct

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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:57 AM
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15. I still stand by Wright. So shoot me.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:48 AM
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16. where do you want it?
who do you stand behind more Obama or wright?

because Obama no longer stands with Wright

bill from ct
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