Obama should have known Wright was crackers 20 years ago? Who knew Clinton would be this way?

[symbolman]

Let's get REAL here Clinton Supporters.. Many keep screaming that Obama should have not stayed in Wright's church (which has helped poor folks etc) as did Clinton (its the Talking Point "I would not have stayed.." like anyone hears everything in church..) and he had 20 years to figure out Wright was crackers..

Well, here's a concept for you, WHO KNEW that Clinton was going to publicly announce that she'd obliterate Iran (since she can't EVER be bothered to Read an NIE, as in Iraq as well) WHO KNEW that she'd run as a wolf in Sheeps Clothing?

It appears that Clinton and Co are running as damaged Goods, its like Divorce Court, and Obama is the shiftless, happy to be free ex-husband who must be Villified now that she's too old to score another man..

Like a Divorce, WHO KNEW that you Significant Other was such a bitch/bastard? Relationships have an ebb and flow, and many stages.. In many ways this is

NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! Between a man and his Pastor..

But Clinton supporters can't have it both ways, Obama "should have known" then they Spring this Clinton character on everyone, who many MIGHT have voted for in the first place, but won't now.

Wrights been kicked to the curb, Clinton has a deathgrip on the fire hydrant, refuses to budge, and Bill Clinton is trying to play Traffic cop, but having no luck as the ladies distract him..

At least Obama had the Guts to End his Relationship, Hillary found it too Politically expedient to pass up, and would Not kick Bill to the curb, which left many with no respect for her..

But Who Knew she'd back Bush and War, and after so many of us stuck up for her all these years.. I feel as used by her as I imagine Obama feels about Wright, right now...

[Adelante]

1. Recommended nt

[leftofcool]

2. Hillary abused me post #677

[symbolman]

8. Yeah, gee.. Its the same woman we've always known

the one with the Experience who was going to FIX Healthcare (which I respected her for, then) and was turned into a fine Paste by the Right Wing and Insurance corps..

Sure, WE should have known she'd be abusive, but many didn't ...

The Parallel IS unmistakeable..

[roguevalley]

45. its a shocking this isn't it? truly shocking. I do believe we have

become a parody of ourselves. When she finds refuge in Fox, then I know I am not in Kansas anymore.

[tridim]

3. Hillary had me fooled for about 15 years.

It took a run for the WH to expose her true colors.

[movonne]

6. I feel the same way...no one was a bigger supporter of the Clinton's

than I was...but then I really wasn't paying much attention to politics..at this point I am not sure I could vote for her...I will just write Obama's name in and be done with it..

[movonne]

I feel the same way...no one was a bigger supporter of the Clinton's

than I was...but then I really wasn't paying much attention to politics..at this point I am not sure I could vote for her...I will just write Obama's name in and be done with it..

[Eurobabe]

Just watched Primary Colors

Stupid movie, but confirms the self-servedness and narcissism in the hearts of the Clintons.

[still_one]

4. and obviously Hillary knew Bill was a womanizer for much longer

the Clinton folks want to play this game, then they are going to get "bill's cheating heart" up to their neck

[PBS Poll-435]

7. Obviously?

How is it obvious?

[movonne]

10. Because some of us have memories...when he was running is when

ms flowers was in the picture...and she stood by her man...don't you remember??

[still_one]

15. She isn't stupid, and even so much aluded to issues in a 60 minutes

interview when Bill was running for president, and genifer flowers came out with her tell all letters and tapes.

[ProSense]

16. Are you trying to say she didn't? Here a jog for your memory:

Governor Clinton's Interview with Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes

[Eurobabe]

14. She better hope she's NOT the nominee

with O'Lieilly courting her, I bet the GOPers have some really bad shit they will dump on Hill/Bill, and it will be alot worse than a fucking kitchen sink!

Does anyone think that Bill (with his addiction problem and her with her dysfunctional codependency issues) hasn't been dipping his wick since 1998?

[graycem]

34. Nah,

I read an article that claimed someone associated with the campaign said he'd been put on a "diet." :P

[goclark]

29. Why does she continue to say you can't change your family?

Doesn't she realize that we are well aware of the word "divorce?"

Most modern day women would not stay in a marriage if they knew that their husband, and the father of their lovely little girl, sinned in --- their---- HOUSE.

How many men would have the nerve to do that in - their - own- house!

That is the lowest lack of respect for the wife and the young daughter.

Throw the bum out, that's what the women that I know would do.

And I sure would kick him to the WH lawn on Christmas Day!

I believe in holding the family together but that is a real stretch.

Many women have thrown the bums out and were strong enough to build new marriages and new family structures with men that truly loved them.

What did she do? She lied to protect him.

No problem with that,many women do it every day but don't go down that road anymore HC because YOU can CHANGE your family.

[PBS Poll-435]

5. Do you still have the scars from Hillary's handcuffs?

It sounds like she really did a number on you. Why did you keep it a secret so long? Were you scared?

You are a brave little toaster!

[symbolman]

20. how about you go

Pastorbate with your Heroine, sanctimonious, as usual.. Once again veiled sexism towards MEN by Clinton's "Damaged Goods" Club :)

[ProSense]

9. They ignore that Obama repudiated Wright for events over the past couple of days. Also,

Hillary has been married to (living in the same house with) Bill for longer, but claimed to know nothing about his pardons.

Obama, I believe; Hillary, not so much.

[LSparkle]

11. Agreed

I have to admit that some of the attacks on the Clintons during the '90s
had me shaking my head, but now I wonder if some were grounded in truth.
They WILL do anything to win ...

[casus belli]

12. Nobody's giving Oprah hell for being a member. Is she racist too? n/t

[truedelphi]

13. And no one is saying that any and all Catholics should

have repudiated their priests for pedophilia back in 1975!!

[Tellurian]

18. Was a memeber.. she left Wright's Church.. in 1986

[nichomachus]

40. But only after she started believing that she was god n/t

[Tellurian]

44. I'm sure, you mean Goddess~

:hi:

[casus belli]

47. She attended in the 80's and 90's, so your dates are fictitious.

Wright was a pastor there since 1972. You were saying?

The point of this is...this is pointless. Move on already.

[joeglow3]

23. SHE was able to see him for the nutjob he was

and left the church.

[symbolman]

33. But you know what?

Who CARES? Most people know that pastors are screwy just like their shrinks are nuts, most people really DON'T listen in church, having been an Altar Boy for many years I've watched them, they are asleep, ramrod straight, comparing clothing, can't wait to get out and play some basketball..

Maybe the guy said weird shit and it went right over heads while people thought about all the GOOD they were doing instead?

People are sick of phoney people creating outrage and trying to force everyone to "throw the baby out with the bathwater.."

What's petty bullshit is next, what minor Bittergate intentionally misinterpreted garbage will send the Clinton Ex-Wives club baying at the moon like a pink poodle pack of ravening sled dogs?

To can bet the MSM will trumpet it, to everyone's chagrin..

[ClayZ]

17. It is sad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5753324&mesg_id=5753745

I imagine, if I had been a Pastor for 30 years,
and I got smeared like Rev. Wright did, that I might give in to my OUTRAGE, too.

Walk a mile in his shoes and get to RETIREMENT, get shoved into a media shit storm like that.



I saw a clip of him with Hannidy. After Hannidy insulted him for the entire clip, at the end Rev Wright, said God Bless you to him three times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTGRL0OJWQ




There is still plenty of time for Obama and Wright to make amends. "Forgiveness" is something the whole world will be needing to learn.


My anger with the MSN is difficult to bear. I will be needing to let go of it.

P.S. I am not involved with any Organized Religion. I think the term is an oxymoron. I have enjoyed Rev. Wrights sermons. I believe he is a great scholar.


I HOPE Obama has been influenced by him.

Obama 44th POTUS

[Seabiscuit]

19. I for one don't want anyone running this country who listened to that crackerjack for 20 years

and pretends to finally see the light only towards the end of his primary campaign. I'd like our president to have a helluva lot better judgment than that.

[symbolman]

22. So don't vote for him my friend

Just like I won't support what I see as veiled Sexism towards men by much of Clinton's Damaged Goods Club..

It IS a Free country tho I don't recognize it anymore, and Obama's church guy isn't some Satanist drinking baby blood, he is flesh and blood himself, and I see no forgiveness from alleged Chistians either.. :)

[Sadie5]

25. symbolman

If you are the same one who has been around message boards for years-I used to have a lot of respect for your words of wisdom. Not anymore. Here...have another nice cold sip of kool-aid.

[uponit7771]

28. You know that's stupid, he makes a good point man. I & other of my black friends are SO disappointed

...in Hillary and I've NEVER EVER seen the asshole side of her.

[Cha]

50. Are you joking? Symbolman knows

facts when he sees them. Are you one of those who pumps up hilary 'cause she lies all the time so you have to lie, too?

[Seabiscuit]

27. I wouldn't vote for him even if I could.

I already voted for John Edwards on Super Tuesday, even though Edwards had already just been pushed aside by the powers that be.

[uponit7771]

21. EXCELLENT POINT! K&R and should be sent to the Obama campaign for a talking point!!

[symbolman]

24. Pretty straight up isn't it?

yeah, makes perfect sense, and seems to have touched a nerve..

Wonder who to send this to...

[uponit7771]

26. Yeap! I was VERY VERY disappointed in Hillary the second she came out with her ugliness re Obama

[ShortnFiery]

30. In a warped version of "The Stockholm Syndrome" The Clintons have morphed into what they HATED

during the 1990s. The Clintons are the Mark Penn's DLC Version of KKKarl Rove's GOP SMEAR MACHINE extraordinaire.

I have never felt more betrayed as I now do by The "Duplicity R Us" daring Duo --> Bill and Hillary Clinton. :(

[uponit7771]

31. YES! She is the person that got beat up and then started beating up others because that's all they..

...know.

[redqueen]

32. Logic? That's a tall order, symbolman.

And besides... they can just say they support Hillary not for any logical reason, but cause Obama's supporters are mean on message boards.

:rofl:

[futureliveshere]

35. Great point and extremely valid observation. I couldn't agree with you more. I adored the Clintons.

Now I can't stand the sight of them... :puke:

[uponit7771]

37. Someone who has some inside to Obama should send this point to him, this is important IMHO

[futureliveshere]

43. But he cannot use this directly. He will lose HRC supporters completely.

[symbolman]

36. little kick

in case this helps, and can get to Obama's people as a Talking Point :)

You never know...

[uponit7771]

38. kickity, this is an excellent point

[Norrin Radd]

39. kr

[Vinca]

41. There's actually a case to be made for Obama staying in the church

because the church is not the pastor. Even an atheist like me could understand how a person might enjoy the fellowship of the congregation, the mission and how it's carried out, etc. Plus, from what I can tell, it's not like the Reverend was preaching anything out of the ordinary nutty Christian stuff on a regular basis.

[uponit7771]

42. Right, If my church wasn't getting out in the community and didn't help people I wouldn't support it

[symbolman]

46. Thats a good point

most churches I've been around its all about Community, even if Father Burke is running around the Friday fish fry deep fried himself doesn't mean you shut down the church and abandon your friends there ..

Its called Fellowship, right? :)

[Mz Pip]

48. Should have known

is one of the lamest arguments around. People don't always reveal their true selves to people close to them, even if they are close friends or family.

Besides, people do evolve. Some for the better. Some for the worse.

[vegetabletasty]

49. Yes. He should have known

Those in the church say that Wright's views have always been this radical. It's not a 21st century thing from his part.

[symbolman]

51. Christ, people get Murdered all the time

by people they THOUGHT they Knew... Most killings are a Family member, someone who's been around a long time..

Tell you something else, I've worked in mental institutions and many of those folks appeared fine until something took them over the edge..

A wise woman Kubler-Ross, who created the Stages of Grieving, who was raised in a Nazi concentration camp and helped people to die for years, once said that she can be sitting at a nice mellow party and know because she's seen it that at any point in all those people's lifes anyone of the could be a Monster..

Its Reality..