Oh oh. Will the MSM bust St. Obama on his changing stories (lies) about Wright?

[jackson_dem]

With all the controversy continuing to swirl around the Obama/Wright relationship, an important question remains. What did Obama know and when did he know it? There have been many different versions of an answer to this question from Senator Obama, ranging from never hearing these sermons, to them being taken out of context, and yesterday when Obama said this was not the man he met 20 years ago.

A focal point is Wright being "uninvited" to the announcement of Obama’s presidential candidacy. In an interview with the New York Times, Wright had this recollection of the disinvitation, from RealClearPolitics:

The Rolling Stone article was from the February 22. 2007 issue and was entitled "The Radical Roots of Barack Obama", a title later changed to "Destiny’s Child." It contained excerpts from a sermon by Reverend Wright called 10 Essential Facts About America. Here are some of the "facts" mentioned by Wright:

Racism is alive and well. Racism is the American way.

Racism is how this country was founded, and how this country is still run.

No black man can ever be President.

No black woman will ever be considered for anything outside of what she can give with her body.

America is still the number one killer in the world.

We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training professional killers.

We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. And believe it more than we believe in God.



We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians, and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic.

We do not care if poor black and brown children cannot read and kill each other senselessly

We started the AIDS virus, and now that it is out of control we still put more money in the military than in medicine. More money in hate than humanitarian concerns.

We are selfish, self-centered ego egotists, who are arrogant and ignorant.

So if Senator Obama knew enough about Wright’s statements to uninvite him to his presidential announcement, why did he later say he never heard such statements? Here is a fact of my own, these words are nothing new. They reflect who Rev. Wright is and who he has always been. It all comes down to honesty and believability. There is a lesson I assumed all politicians learned from Watergate, the cover-up is always worse than the original offense.

http://www.chron.com/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=desperado&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3AdesperadoPost%3A87a00b1f-6265-442f-9e30-cedfa84a94c8>link

[Texas Hill Country]

1. k & r

[haymakeragain]

2. Get over it.

It's all over but you'all cryin'.

[ClericJohnPreston]

7. No Kool-Aid drinkers allowed

[haymakeragain]

32. to think I was an Edwards guy before choosing Obama over Hillarious

Makes me rethink what kind of people I was throwing my hat in with. Hillarious is beaten, clue in.

[jackson_dem]

36. Many Edwardians drank the kool aid

Some are normal Obama supporters but a significant percentage drank the Obama Aid.

[haymakeragain]

48. Many Hillarians were thinking "we're entitled to the nomination"

and are really bitter that she's beaten, think about how you are gonna vote in November.

[jackson_dem]

54. Both CJP and I supported Edwards

I will vote straight ticket Democratic in November, like I always do. How about you if Clinton wins?

[haymakeragain]

62. She gets my vote without hesitation.

I even find some satisfaction when I imagine her winning the GE. It would be sweet payback to the flying monkey brigade on the right, and I know she won't be a disaster like McCain. It's my only Obama hesitation, that he probably won't make enough right-wing heads explode.

[aquart]

59. As opposed to Obama supporters who think he should have it as a gift?

Please. Stop projecting.

[haymakeragain]

65. Nope, not as a gift, but what are

we doing right now? I hope when either wins there hasn't been too much damage.

[rodeodance]

90. none that I know of. The meme was a conjured up media myth and it duped you.

[haymakeragain]

94. whatever you say rodeo.

I'll take your word for that.

[Dr Fate]

I think that Hillary should make scary black people a central theme of her campaign.

Oh wait- she already did.

[ClericJohnPreston]

15. The only scary thing

is how the entire cult responds to questions about Obama.

With one word which is a NON-SEQUITUR: HILLARY.

How doees Hillary fit into the OP?

Why ask why. It's Obama logic. To understand it, drink the following:

[haymakeragain]

41. Oooh, another kool aid pic, you're smart.

Take off that Edwards logo, he wouldn't approve.

[ClericJohnPreston]

63. I didn't know

you were an intimate of John.........

[haymakeragain]

70. Don't have to be intimate with someone to know

whether or not they would approve of the connection between his campaign and the kool-aid rhetoric.

Let's ask him.

[ClericJohnPreston]

73. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes...lets.

[haymakeragain]

93. You got him on your sleeve,

dial him up, if you got the guts.

[redqueen]

77. Oh, he's dropped a few hints already!

"The Clinton campaign has no conscience," Edwards said, after Clinton spokesman Jay Carson said Edwards does no more than "read articles about people who need help and talk about them."

"The idea that everything is about them (suggests) that they have no conscience," Edwards said of the Clinton campaign, my colleague Josh Kraushaar reports. "I'm very surprised by the comments."




"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."




"I think that voters have to ask themselves is: do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican, the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry, drug companies, health insurance companies, the candidate who's raised the most money from the defence industry, Republican or Democrat - and the answer to all of those questions is: that's Senator Clinton. Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy. But I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton is your candidate."

[Dr Fate]

50. I thought we drank Lattes. Isnt Kool-aid a little too "working class?"

;)

[jackson_dem]

Keep playing the race card to defend Obama. It will do wonders for him

:thumbsup:

[Dr Fate]

44. LOL- pointing out your race-baiting tactics and language (like race card) is not racist in itself.

I hope you are proud of the fact that you use the language & tactics of every Republican frat-boy & red-neck I've ever met.

Have you EVER heard of progressive accusing folks of "playing the race card" before now? I havent. Only Republicans and media types.

Let's get this straight- when I call you guys out for using Willie Horton style association games-or using language invented by racists to appeal to racists- that doesnt mean I'm playing cards- it means you are using racist tactics that true progressives should avoid.

[jackson_dem]

60. Yeah. I heard Bill Clinton say it just last week

I heard the Obama camp say it in January. Where we you?

Wright's color does not immunize him from criticism. DR, don't you realize how harmful constantly using race as a last line of defense for Obama is to Obama?

[Dr Fate]

75. Obama used racist language to attack a member of a minority? Where?

I thought his memo predicted that the Clintons might engage in "race-baiting"- and they did.

And Bill Clinton gets the "honor" of being the first progressive on record to use language invented by racists to appeal to racists, in that context? Wow- you must be proud.

But then Bill Clinton even lied about saying "race card"- so I guess you cant be proud.

[jackson_dem]

81. "race-baiting"=saying he played the race card

Language? Do we need to get into Obama's sexist language? Ah, Obama's use of race-baiting revolves around a minority group (i.e. the "hoodwinked, bamboozled code language in MS to get folks to vote against a white candidate) so it is okay for him to race-bait. How "progressive". :sarcasm: This kind of idiocy is what is getting Obama in trouble. His cronies want to use race as a shield as well as a battering ram against the white Clintons while convenient. No wonder he has tanked with whites and Latinos.

Speaking of sexism, what about you objectifying "Obama girl"? That is "progressive"?

[Dr Fate]

86. That and using the Willie Horton style "scary black man" association games.

I dont equate language used to express concern to black voters over race-baiting with racism itself.

I DO find language and tactics invented by racists, for racists- to be suspect.

As far as Obama tanking with certain whites & latinos- that has much more to do with how Hillary/media/McCain presents the Wright story as opposed to anyone calling out the racist tactics therein. Whether it is racist to use these tactics or not has gotten little coverage in the media that I've seen.

[jackson_dem]

96. Oh. What about the "big breast object" association game in your signature line?

Obama's support was always artificially high because he went a year without vetting.

[Dr Fate]

What about it? My sig image has nothing to do with Hillary's Willie Horton style association games.

So you are opposed to pin up girls? Uh-oh- that's not gonna play well with the "working class" mechanics, etc. ;)

[jackson_dem]

20. Keep playing the race card to defend Obama. It will do wonders for him

:thumbsup:

[Dr Fate]

56. Keep talking like a typical racist Republican frat-boy- the "working class" will never abandon you..

...until McCain gets to have his turn to lie to them, that is.

Enjoy them while you can- they dont call 'em "swing voters" for nothin.

[jackson_dem]

76. The working class doesn't post at DU

Obamites need to chill. What is said here is discussion within the Dem family. No one here will vote for McSame in November. Posting here isn't about swaying swing voters because swing voters don't post here and few working folks are on the netroots--which is one reason the netroots is 95-5 for Obama...

[Dr Fate]

80. No kidding- they get their news from the pro-McCain media.

Like I said, as to many of them, enjoy their company while you can.

[jackson_dem]

82. The pro-McSame media is also pro-Obama in the primaries

;)

[Dr Fate]

87. Which explains why they agree with you on Willie Hort-errr- I mean Farrakan so much.

;)

[aquart]

61. No, Obama did that. And then accused her.

Thanks for reminding me why he is completely untrustworthy.

[Dr Fate]

78. I thought Obama's memo correctly predicted that the Clinton's might race-bait.

And then Clinton went on to race bait.

Also, Clinton accused Obama of "playing the race card"- then even lied about ever saying it for some reason.

[redqueen]

3. Yes!

Keep shopping it!

:bounce:

[ClericJohnPreston]

9. No Kool-Aid drinkers allowed

[Danger Mouse]

13. You're an embarassment to John Edwards.

[ClericJohnPreston]

19. No

your avatar is. I hardly consider the opinions of a cultist in my self-image.

[Danger Mouse]

21. I could give a rat's ass what you think.

[ClericJohnPreston]

46. I'm sure you know alot

about what rats think.

[Danger Mouse]

52. i've noticed a pattern in your posts...you have nothing but foul personal attacks to offer.

and you're calling me a rat?

[ClericJohnPreston]

72. I noticed the same about your posts where

ever Hillary supporters post. Besides, it is a play on words. Then again, I'm sure you know that...as you were the one who brought up rats.

Have a nice day :)

[Danger Mouse]

83. You can ask LulaMay, I'm a lot nicer than people give me credit for.

I'm only rude to rude people.

[XtraProudDem]

112. Jackass

For somebody who refers to himself as a "Cleric," you sure are an asshole.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. You're supporting a guy who dropped out of the race.

:shrug:

So either that's a bit cultish, or lazy like the people who still have Perot bumperstickers.

[ClericJohnPreston]

57. Actually

it serves as a reminder to people like you, that the real core values of the Democratic Party, it's LEFT WING, and activists, are still alive and waiting for the conservatives who hijacked our Party and handed it over to an unqualified moderate who embraces "bi-partisnaship", to fade away.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

71. You think Edwards is more liberal than Obama?

Talk about drinking the kool-aid.

[rodeodance]

92. How dare you speak for Edwards!! Get a grip!

[Danger Mouse]

101. Would Edwards encourage his supporters to constantly call supporters of Obama

'cultists' at every available opportunity?

[redqueen]

18. Allowed where? This ain't the super secret password only club, you know.

I'm so glad that "Fuck DU and the horse it rode in on" BS got deleted.

Crazy, ungrateful fuckers.

[ClericJohnPreston]

24. Another Non-Sequitur

Say what? I think you got Gobamitized.

[redqueen]

28. How idiotic is it to pretend that you get to dictate who can or can't post in a thread?

If the OP had said "so and so ONLY" then it might at least make something resembling a lick of sense... as it is...

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

29. LOL at that no Kool aid photo!

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[haymakeragain]

35. Real clever, you Hillarians got the same sense of humor as the GOP

flying monkeys. Pitiful.

[Texas Hill Country]

39. get over yourselves... it might be dumb, but its still funny.

[haymakeragain]

53. Funny to an eight year old. Shouldn't you be watching "Reba"?

That's about your speed.

[ClericJohnPreston]

43. Feel free to use it anywhere you like.....

I was so sick of that image in Obama supporters sigs, I figured an antidote was necessary.

[Danger Mouse]

27. Don't bother.

:hug:

[redqueen]

31. Heh... aw, thanks.

Just messin around.

:hug:

[Kittycat]

4. Awww, aren't you cute - doing Faux's job for them.

Spread those RW smears, spread'em. Because you know if HRC gets the nod, all hell is going to break loose :)

[islandmkl]

5. in the mean time....let's talk about:

WAR

ECONOMY

JOBS

FOOD PRICES

FUEL PRICES

THE STATE OF OUR NATION

[jackson_dem]

22. Good idea. Why is Obama more interesting in adoring crowds than debating the issues with Hillary?

He would rather spend time with 10,000 adoring fainting fans than debate in front of, what, 11 million people nationally (isn't that how many folks watched the last debate)? Does he need practice throwing water bottles or something?

[tridim]

6. And your obsession continues.

It's becoming pathological. Seek help.

[cali]

8. yawn. sorry desperate hilldroid.

it looks like this won't work. Obama is up in two new polls despite the Wright extravaganza. If, as expected, Obama wins, I am so going to enjoy watching your head explode.

[sniffa]

16. As will I

However, I'm always perplexed to see certain threads by certain posters, constantly get the reaction they're seeking. :shrug:

This isn't really for you, but for everyone. It's tough I know, but I restrained myself from responding to the "Obama has nothing to be ashamed of" thread despite it constantly bubbling at the top of GDP. :hi:

[cali]

23. partly it's just that the OPs threads have gotten so Baghdad Bobbish

that it's just fun to poke holes in such an easy target. My bad.

:hi:

[sniffa]

Oh, I understand completely

As I said, this is more a general announcement - some threads are posted only to needle a segment of DU, and make them upset. The threads are not there to do anything but.

When people respond in a negative/mad way, the OP has achieved his/her desired result.

Believe me, I'm a pro at it. :P

:hi:

[okasha]

116. You get the purple ribbon.

n/t

[maxsolomon]

10. shall the sins of the father be visited upon the son?

Exodus 20:5, Deuteronomy 5:9 and
Deuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:20


Yes they do
(Exodus 20:5) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
(Deuteronomy 5:9) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
(Exodus 34:6-7) - "Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."
(1 Cor. 15:22) - "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive."
No they don't
(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

[ClericJohnPreston]

38. You are sick

Thanks for going Biblical. Do you wear orange wigs and hold up signs at sporting events too?

What does the fictional Bible fairy tales have to do with politics? Are you mixing metaphors here and trying to create a parallel to Obama and his Messianic cult of Kool-Aiders?

No surprise there. Logic, the best source for factual consideration of a valid issue against the Bible......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

KOOL-AID DRINKER.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Don't you feel at least a little bit stupid?

Pretending to care about Wright?

[Dr Fate]

30. The otherwise intelligent Hillbots are in full blown, knuckle-headed, ignorant "working class" mode.

They are so busy pretending to relate to some mythological, salt-of-the-earth, "working class" whites that they have to pretend that pushing red-neck, race-button politics is a progressive value.

You and I know they dont *really* like race-baiting or dishonest association games- and they will realize this once Mccain swings a sizable portion of their beloved "working class" swing-voters back to the GOP using the exact same tactics.

[jackson_dem]

51. Pastorgate isn't about race. It is about poor judgment and values

If Clinton's pastor were a David Duke clone do you think that would not be a campaign issue?

[Dr Fate]

68. Bringing in Farrakan was about race-bait. Next you tell me Willie Horton was not about race either.

Next you will tell me that bringing in Farrakan wasnt specifically calculated to push the buttons of the angry white swing-voter.

There is a reason why Republicans push the story to their GOP base too- b/c they know their base doesnt like "scary black people" any more than some of Hillary's new swing-voters do...

[jackson_dem]

85. If David Duke or the KKK's leader endorsed Clinton that wouldn't be news?

Obama needs to ask why so many bigots endorse him, not Clinton, not Edwards. Obama, the uniter.

Dr Fate, voters didn't discover Obama is black recently. His decline isn't due to racism. The racists were against him from day 1. His decline is natural. What was unnatural was a candidate running for prez for a year, being a strong second and not being vetted for over a year. 30+ states voted before the vetting process began, very unusual...

[Dr Fate]

89. Lets stick to the facts, not hypotheticals. There are enough facts without making up new scenarios.

You know as well as I do that the Willie Horton style tactics were used to bring-out or reinforce certain fears held by angry white males who might have otherwise been ready to move forward if they had been presented with an honest debate instead of race-baiting.

I never knew about the "many" bigots that are endorsing Obama as you claim- but I do know about the swing voters who said in exit polls that they are "not ready for a black president."

[aquart]

106. "knuckle-headed, ignorant "working class" mode"

Could you be more superior and condescending?

What a great height you look down on us from.

[Dr Fate]

109. Hey, if the shoe don't fit, you don't have to wear it.

I'm referring to ignorant swing-voters who "are not ready for a black president" and the DUers who seem to love to bait them with the GOP's old Willie Horton style association games...

If it makes me "elite" to oppose the behavior of certain ignorant folks and their political allies, then so be it.

You did note that I put "working class" in quotes didn't you? Thats b/c I know that the REAL working class also includes black people, folks who are educated and folks who are not easily race-baited with "Farrakhan" and "race cards" and all that crap.

[jpertello]

12. Yesterday's news

Where have you been? That story died last night.

[jackson_dem]

25. Obama transparently lying again about 20 years of bad judgment won't bail him out forever

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Where's the lie?

You forgot to back that up.

[rodeodance]

97. You dream a lot.

[maxsolomon]

14. whoops, dupe

nt

[msallied]

17. WHO CARES!!!

[anamandujano]

42. Voters.

[LSK]

47. voters do not care

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5756185

[msallied]

58. Wrong on that, chief. Care to try again?

By the way, thanks for acknowledging by your support of this manufactured charade that you are a part of the problem rather than the solution.

[redqueen]

74. SHHHHHHHHH!

Let them do it!

It's having that boomerang effect... :evilgrin:

[rucky]

26. What should the Democratic party do with people like this?

kick 'em out, or just take their votes and send 'em on their way?

[jackson_dem]

33. Farrakhan's vote should be as unwelcome as David Duke's

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. or Geraldine Ferraro's, for that matter.

What's your point?

[indimuse]

34. k&r!

.

[Greyskye]

37. Posting comments from a Blogger...

...who writes about himself: "I am an old-school conservative/libertarian(think Goldwater). I can tolerate almost anything except stupidity and hypocrisy." Thanks for carrying the right-wings water for them! Care to contribute to the McCain campaign while you're at it? :sarcasm:

[jackson_dem]

64. These questions will be asked. What will be Obama's response?

He better have one if he is the nominee...

[Greyskye]

79. You must be very comfortable right now.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080430/NEWS15/804300383

"His (Rev. Wright's) comments were not only divisive and destructive, I believe they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate," Obama said.

[jackson_dem]

84. Are you saying Obama is a bigot and that is why he went to that church for 2 decades? For comfort?

[Greyskye]

91. No, and if you really think I did, then you are are clinically brain dead.

Damn, some people are either intentionally obtuse, or actually idiots.

Do I have to guess at your status, or are you going to provide some additional hints? :shrug:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

55. Why do I care what a self described "old-school conservative/libertarian" thinks?

[jackson_dem]

67. Because these are fundamental questions that would come up in the GE if Obama is the nominee

What is his response? Right now the MSM's crush on him has allowed him to weather the storm because they haven't bothered to call him on his changing stories (lying)...

[Faygo Kid]

66. This Rolling Stone magazine? This where the article appeared?

Gonna beat this dead horse until Barack is sworn in next January, aren't you?

[jackson_dem]

69. The source doesn't matter. The fact that O is on record knowing Wright was "controversial" does

That brings us back to square one: what did O know and when did he know it?

[rodeodance]

98. Obama KNEW but LIED:

In the debate in Philadelphia, when questioned about the disinvitation, Obama said:

"I've discussed this extensively. Reverend Wright is somebody who made controversial statements but they were not of the sort that we saw that offended so many Americans."

So if Senator Obama knew enough about Wright’s statements to uninvite him to his presidential announcement, why did he later say he never heard such statements? Here is a fact of my own, these words are nothing new. They reflect who Rev. Wright is and who he has always been. It all comes down to honesty and believability. There is a lesson I assumed all politicians learned from Watergate, the cover-up is always worse than the original offense.

[Faygo Kid]

102. Please stay off my posts and replies.

I post a picture from Day the Earth Stood Still as a harmless response to one of your posts, and you go all to pieces on me. Even get the message deleted.

I want nothing else to do with you. You are not reliable, and if you are going to scream about something like that, you are just too scary to deal with. I don't want to be involved when you break apart like that again.

So I ask respectfully: Go away. And stay away.

[TankLV]

113. OOOO - like we're gonna CARE what YOU want...

Deal with it and stop crying like a typical obamababy...

[smiley_glad_hands]

88. You guys are like cartoons. eom

[Tactical Progressive]

95. The media swallowed Obama's initial lies in a split-second

It was unbelievable how quickly they moved to protect Obama.

Obama: 'I wasn't there for that sermon.'

Media:
'That answers that! Nothing to see here! Move on, move on!
Did you see how quickly he answered his critics?
Hillary is 'throwing the kitchen sink at Obama'. She's negative.
Obama takes the high-road!'


Except of course that Obama's lies are not the 'high road' and this was never about "A" sermon. It's been about an entire set of beliefs that Obama and his wife have subscribed to for twenty years. It's about what his church and his personal friend/campaign Religious Advisor have been espousing and they've been following.

The media will certainly try to do the same thing here as Obama kicks his long-time friend and mentor under the bus to try to get himself free and clear of twenty years of it. Just today the media helped Obama portray Wright, the pastor, friend, religious advisor, personal mentor, inspiration for his book, the guy who married him, baptized his children and prayed with him as he announced his candidacy, as "a remote figure" in Obama's life.

It won't work. Sure, the media won't let Hillary touch Obama, but the Publicans don't give a shit about what the media wants, and Obama's twenty years of these kinds of beliefs, like Michelle Obama's 'never been proud of America' attitudes, straight out of this church, would be a hugely debilitating issue for Democrats from start to finish.

[TahitiNut]

99. Bigotbait.

:puke:

[RazBerryBeret]

100. "why did he later say he never heard such statements?"

the statements he said he hadn't heard were the "God Damn America" and "chickens coming home to roost" those were post 9/11 and he was not in attendance when those sermons were given...

I thought everyone knew that by now....

[rocktivity]

103. ..

rocknation

[catnhatnh]

104. Your link is as functional...

as your argument....

[emilyg]

105. k/r

[izzybeans]

107. I should of done this long ago.

[bcoylepa]

108. you sound like fox news

I do think that far too many people on this board act and sound like they are interviewing for fox news - if you cannot see that you are doing their work for them - then we have nothing to talk about

Obama was talking about the snippets taken out of context -

and by the way I worked on HIV prevention for 18 years and every minority community I worked in was suspicious about the governments role in developing and spreading HIV - walk a mile in their shoes before you condemn
and you might be informed by reading a little Howard Zinn for a different perspective on US history

peace

[ElsewheresDaughter]

110. shine the light

[Dr Fate]

111. FOX will be shining that light for you too. Hope it keeps it you warm. n/t

n/t

[rateyes]

114. Will the MSM ask Hillary about why she doesn't want to testify

on her husband's behalf in his civil fraud case, and got a judge to say that she doesn't have to until after the November election?

[rodeodance]

115. nah. I just chalked it up as another LIE from BHO