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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:47 PM
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Is it really a good idea to have a former president in the WH with a current president?
This seems like a bad idea to me in general. I am not exactly sure why it bothers me, potential conflict of interest? That is, considered apart from the current situation and without regard to the genders of the spouses/partners, would people say this is a good idea. I know that sometimes a spouse will take over the political position when the other spouse dies. I have heard of this, but does anyone know of a situation where one partner stepped down for the other to fill the political role.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:48 PM
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1. The constitution allows it...
and that's what matters.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:51 PM
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4. That's not the question I asked
I know it is permitted. I was asking what people's general gut reaction to such a situation is in general, and I mean in general and not in reference to the current situation.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:15 AM
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23. I've no problem.
Wish you'd talk about why you're uncomfortable with it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:50 PM
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2. Seems like a GREAT idea to me.
Two heads ARE better than one. You've got a walking, talking history professor with you. It can't hurt.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:52 PM
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9. And I suppose that you'd contend that Michelle Obama is an intellectual slouch?
:shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:06 AM
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18. What the fuck are you talking about? Pull the string, and look at the original question.
Was Michelle Obama elected to the Presidency while I was serving my country in a far off hell hole?

Was she? Did I miss that?

:wtf:
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:55 PM
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14. With Bill you get three heads......
;) :rofl: :rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:08 AM
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20. Well, since his heart business, I'm guessing two and a half, at best.
He's an OLD dawg, now. Unless he's borrowing the blue pills from Bob Dole, I'm guessing he's not quite such a horn dog as he was in his youth.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:13 AM
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21. Not only that
This particular ex president is popular in the world. Let him represent the country all over the globe.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:50 PM
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3. Not when the former President is Bubba Clinton. Who would OK their daughter to INTERN at the WH?
:thumbsdown:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:00 AM
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36. You're on the wrong board.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:51 PM
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5. I have no opinion on the matter....
I just don't think it would be right to have Hillary in the white house period...
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:51 PM
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6. Argentina's new Prez...lots of similarities
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:55 PM
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15. Thanks for the link
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:51 PM
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7. Not those two.. They can't conduct themselves properly.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:52 PM
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8. Hell naw, it ain't ok.....
Remember this shit?

THE RISE OF THE DLC


its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse-style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a pro business, pro-free market outlook.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/1/24/16457/4867

Hence the DLC via Bill Clinton's Presidency gave us among other things.......


NAFTA


Clinton Signs NAFTA
12/8/93
"I do want to say, also, a special word of thanks to all the citizens who helped us -- the business leaders, the labor folks, the environmental people who came out and worked through this; many of them at great criticism, particularly in the environmental movement and some of the working people who helped it. And a group that was quite pivotal to our success that I want to acknowledge specifically are the small business people, many of whom got themselves organized and came forward and tried to help us. They made a real difference. " Bill Clinton at NAFTA signing Ceremony
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/120893-speech-b...




1996 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT


Clinton Signs The Telecommunications Act of 1996
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the first major overhaul of telecommunications law in almost 62 years. The goal of this new law is to let anyone enter any communications business -- to let any communications business compete in any market against any other.

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 has the potential to change the way we work, live and learn. It will affect telephone service -- local and long distance, cable programming and other video services, broadcast services and services provided to schools.
http://www.fcc.gov/telecom.html




WELFARE REFORM ACT


1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act
On August 22, President Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 Conference Report to accompany H.R. 3734, the controversial legislation which repeals the 60 year old social safety net for the poor and requires welfare recipients to work. The legislation is very much like H.R. 4, the previous welfare bill that the President vetoed at the urging of NOW and other advocacy organizations. And, like the previous bill, the President received severe criticism from community activists, women's rights, social service advocacy, labor, minority, and religious groups in embracing this Republican-led effort to change the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Welfare...




BANKING REFORM BILL


Clinton signs banking overhaul measure
November 12, 1999

The biggest change in the nation's banking system since the Great Depression became law Friday, when President Bill Clinton signed a measure overhauling federal rules governing the way financial institutions operate.

Congress passed the bipartisan measure November 5, opening the way for a blossoming of financial "supermarkets" selling loans, investments and insurance. Proponents had pushed the legislation in Congress for two decades, and Wall Street and the banking and insurance industries had poured millions of dollars into lobbying for it in the past few years.

"The world changes, and Congress and the laws have to change with it," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm (R-Texas), who has fought for years for the overhaul. Gramm said the bill would improve banking competition and stability.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/11/12/banki...



DOMA


Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- HR 3396 or Public Law No. 104-199 -- on 21 September 2000. It defines marriage as an act between heterosexuals and frees one state from being required to honor the same-sex marriage conducted in another state. As of this writing, 39 states have laws based on DOMA; 18 of those are amendments to the state constitution.

On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:

I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/gaymarriage/a/DOMA.htm




CHINA TRADE DEAL


Clinton signs China trade bill
October 10, 2000

he measure is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and conservative groups who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/... /



"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/hillary-clinton-on-w...

(ACTUAL LINKS AVAILABLE HERE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5587196
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:53 PM
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10. IMO - No. Nor is it a good idea for only TWO families to occupy the white house...
...for 20 years.

We need someone different than a damned bu$h (or a bu$h clone) or another Clinton.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:54 PM
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11. Look at the candidates in the field; HRC and family would have the nation in GREAT HANDS.........
NONE would be BETTER!!!!!
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:47 AM
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32. Sorry No Dynasty Is For The Brits I Prefer New Brown Hands Thank You
Nasty lying hands need to be washed clean.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:49 AM
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33. New brown hands...love it. :)
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:51 AM
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34. Yes And Let Us Join Hands!
:loveya:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:54 PM
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12. It would be a first.
Not necessarily bad or good. I don't presume to understand the Clinton marriage. Maybe she'll make him an ambassador to someplace far away so he won't get in the way. :shrug:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:54 PM
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13. No: the Big Dog's ego won't allow it...
Where do you think he's going to be hanging out when presidents of foreign states, some of whom HE used to work with come to the white house?? What's he going to do - go have tea in the Rose Garden?
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:17 AM
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24. I can't think of any president
he used to work with, who is still in office. Can you?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:25 AM
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25. Ummmm. No, actually, but I think the point still stands -


8 years in the Oval Office is probably a more powerful drug than any I have ever had...
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:07 AM
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28. He is not running!
If she's it, SHE'll be in that office, not he. It would be so exciting to see a woman lead the free world. A Clinton-Obama ticket would be fab!!!
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:57 PM
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16. It's not a bad idea nor good idea
It depends on who the former president is.

With Bill, I have no problem.

If it were either George then yes I would have a problem with it.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:00 AM
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17. One major obstacle would be avoiding the temptation to just hire the old network of staff. That's
pretty much the last thing we need.
Fresh ideas, fresh people, fresh start.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:14 AM
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22. I think Hillary would be "her own woman."
She probably could've kicked Bill's ass during his Presidency for more than the womanizing. Bill wants everybody to like him. Hillary only wants to be liked enough to be elected and to get her way; if being liked isn't enough, she'll play hardball way more than Bill was able to.

I think she has her own ideas and drive and might be surprising in her picks for cabinet and other appointments.

I do agree Bill needs to be ambassador to some far-away place.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:07 AM
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19. You have some company in the polls
judging by the NBC/WSJ polling out tonite. It's not up there with NAFTA, but it's definitely in her negatives (27%).

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080430_NBC-WSJ_Released.pdf

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:27 AM
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26. Fine with me!
Edited on Thu May-01-08 12:27 AM by prodn2000
And remember... She is a lesbian. Her husband is getting tail out of the ear in Harlem.

:sarcasm:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:54 AM
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27. The dynasty issue is huge for me.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:11 AM
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29. We're going to make history -
First woman president.... First ex-President as first man.

I can't wait! Hillary is going to be an excellent President.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:27 AM
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30. Have there ever been many GOOD husband-wife dynasties?
Why do I keep thinking of Ferdinand and Imelda?

Bush. Clinton. Bush. Clintons. Then maybe another Bush-- NO.
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 AM
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31. I was thinking about this being as problematic as well.
We haven't gotten there yet but imagine say Laura Bush running as a way to extend her husbands stay in office for another 4 to 8 years thus creating a potential for the country being led by the same ideologies and people for 16 years, and hey why not a brother, a sister, a son a daughter. I think its anti-democratic and could lead to long dynasties. I would be in favor of an amendment banning the candidacy of any relative within a certain degree. The thing I worry about most is not the actual relatives themselves but they would bring the same people with the same ideas, like rumsfeld and cheney. I'm already concerned that the majority of my life this country has been run by the same 2 families, imagine if we brought it down to 1 family.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:59 AM
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35. Don't be daft.
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