Micheal Moore nailed it last night:

[hedgehog]

Talking about how had, you know, had she heard those things from her pastor, she would have got right up out of the church. (LAUGHTER) and I was thinking, jeez, you know, I mean I go to mass still. I'm a practicing Catholic. I've been that way all my life. But if I had -- if I had gotten up every time I heard a priest from the pulpit in my travels around the country say things like, as I've heard them say, that birth control is a sin, that women should not be priests, that women have a different role in the church...

KING: You'd be walking out all the time.

MOORE: Well, I would have been walking out so much -- that would have been so much aerobic activity for me I...

KING: Yes, but how do you think...

MOORE: ...I wouldn't look like this.



(snip)


KING: OK. You announced your endorsement of Obama on April 21 in a letter on your Web site. You also slammed Hillary Clinton in these words -- I want to get them right.

Here's what you said: "Over the past few months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting." You also wrote, directly addressing Senator Clinton: "You have devoted your life to good causes and good deeds. And now to throw it all away for an office you can't win unless you smear the black man so much that the superdelegates cry Uncle Tom and give it all to you."

Why so rough?

MOORE: Well, I guess I'm disappointed. I have been a supporter of Senator Clinton from a long time ago. I wrote a chapter about her in my first book, called "My Forbidden Love for Hillary," at a time when it was very popular to go after her. I was sick and tired of people attacking her for who she was. I thought she was a very good and...

KING: And she's certainly been a leader in health care...

MOORE: ...and...

KING: ...which is one of your big things.

MOORE: Well, we can get to that in a second. I want to talk both about her plan and Obama's plan.

KING: All right.

So what disappointed you?

MOORE: Well, I supported her run for Senate. My wife and I contributed to her campaign. But the huge disappointment was when -- when she had -- when she was presented with an opportunity for a moment -- a profile in courage moment in October of 2002, to not give Bush the authorization to go to war, she voted for war. And she continued to vote for war for the years after that. And it was -- it was, as I said... KING: That's the trigger?

MOORE: Well, that's -- yes. And I said on your show the last time, you know, I had not endorsed Senator Obama at that point. I just said that I morally, morally -- and I say that, you know, from a very deep place inside of me, can't vote for somebody who voted for this war. This is an immoral war and it never should have happened. We don't have a right to invade another country...

(snip)
I guess the difference I see here is, is that I have not heard Senator Obama try to make people afraid to vote for Senator Clinton because she's a woman. I haven't heard anything out of his mouth.

But for her to try and make white, you know, working class, as they say, people vote for her and not him, to frighten them with words like Farrakhan and Hamas and things like that, I just -- I just think that that's not necessary.




http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/30/lkl.01.html

[grantcart]

1. He was terrific

[0007]

10. He came across very clear and precise.

Distinct and correct in sound and meaning.

[DevonRex]

2. That was a great interview. nt

[DS1]

3. I hate Larry King and hope someone punches him in his stupid interrupting face

Go Mike!

[graywarrior]

4. Great interview...even Larry seemed more "aware".

[NNN0LHI]

5. Micheal Gore = Bush Moore the Nader backer has very little political credibility in the real world

History shows that.

Don

[navarth]

8. explain please

[NNN0LHI]

12. OK

Gore does not equal Bush.

Don

[navarth]

47. Geez....all I was asking for

was a bit of clarification. No need to get snippy, Don

[crankychatter]

11. He's brilliant, funny, award winning and spot on with most issues

...his most recent movie is brilliant and he keeps it up

he's not doing celebrity spots on Hollywood Squares yet is he?

must be he still has professional credibility...

and in our media climate? to have a person digging out his own wallet and taking risks... continuing a documentary career to bipass the corporate shills in media?... to get a message OUT to people

well, that makes him a hero

did I say "KMA?"

nah, I won't do that.

[NNN0LHI]

16. That he supported the person that helped put Bush into the WH for the last 8 years ...

... doesn't give you any hint about Moores political savvy?

If it doesn't I don't know what else to say.

I am at a loss for words.

Don

[Webster Green]

26. Gore fucking won Florida!

Our corrupted U. S. Supreme W. Court perpetrated a coup.

That's what really happened. The Nader shit is just tedious. Moore voted for Nader in a "safe state", in order to make a point. I did the same in CA.

Give it a fucking rest!:patriot:

[NNN0LHI]

31. Kind of hard giving it a rest with a chimpanzee in the WH for 8 years

Knowing how much is on the line anyone who would still piss away their vote any fucking place or any fucking time to make a fucking point also loses their credibility.

Don

[Webster Green]

43. I would try to explain to you how this shit works, but...

I doubt you would understand. :-)

[Rhiannon12866]

61. The point is that we needed a landslide to make it impossible for them to cheat and steal.

We needed the same in 2004, but we still didn't have the numbers. And, if you remember, both Michael Moore and Ralph Nader were on Bill Maher before the 2004 election, and both Moore and Maher literally got down on their knees and begged him not to run again...

Maher and Moore beg Nader not to run in '04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RysZy331YK0

[Webster Green]

62. There was good reason to support the Green Party in "safe states"

I don't regret my vote for Nader. Might be a different story if I voted for him in Florida, but I live in CA.

This shit isn't that difficult. I don't know why some folks can't understand it.

I did not vote for Ralphie Boy in 2004 however, although I agree with what he has to say 99% of the time.

[crimsonblue]

48. I didn't realize that you had to vote either Bush or Gore in 2000

I was under the impression that the voter can vote for whoever they want for president. It couldn't be that Moore actually supported Nader, could it? Are you really trying to infer that Moore wanted what has happened to this country in the past 8 years? Give me a break.

[DutchLiberal]

74. Supreme Court and Gore's disaster of a campaign put Bush in the White House.

[King Coal]

77. Oh, well, the that justifies being snippy.

:sarcasm:

Just sayin'. We're all getting snippy after 8 years of this shit. In 2004, though, Moore begged Nader to stay out along with Bill Maher.

[RichGirl]

22. He told us that there was no difference between...

Bush and Gore. Now he's essentially doing the same thing. He needs to stick with what he does best -- documentaries.

[Webster Green]

28. Can you show me where Michael Moore said that?

I call bullshit on that statement! I don't believe he said it. Got any links? :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

35. You watched as they got rid of Edwards and Kucinich and you can

well understand, I'm sure, that Obama is still far from their populus stands . . .

HRC represents the corporate-wing of the party trying to pull the party to the right . . .

and you still don't get this point???

I don't know if Michael reemphasized that little difference last night ---

but by the time they finish with Obama, we'll be back to that little difference again!!


Also keep in mind that in 2000, no one knew how extreme Bush would be --

and he wasn't actually elected ---

And in 2004, we have the same questions about the election being stolen ....

I doubt that Americans voted for Bush ---


They've been stealing elections with computers since they began coming on line in the mid-1960's...

[City Lights]

46. Gotta link for when he said that?

I've always attributed that quote to Nader.

TIA.

[DutchLiberal]

75. WAS there much difference between the Gore of 2000 and the Bush of 2000?

I doubt it.

[Shae]

30. sorry . . .

I don't want to be the grammar police, but what you said wasn't clear at all.
Michael (Gore = Bush) Moore, the Nader backer

I think MM was wrong 8 years ago to back Nader instead of Gore, but we didn't fully know what Bush was capable of at that point.
And I think that MM has done a lot of good in time since. His credibility with me has improved.

[Spazito]

6. I watched most of the interview and Michael Moore's honesty

comes across very clearly. It was interesting Larry (good friends of the Bush family) didn't challenge Moore when he stated multiple times that McCain means a third bush term and that would be disastrous. Larry's only response to that was to ask if Moore really believed that to be true.

It was an interesting interview.

[SeaLyons]

7. Michael Moore is so

left wing he falls off the chart. He also stated things against Hillary that are not true. I've never heard anything from Hillary's mouth that was a message of "don't vote for Obama because he's black". That's an absurd LIE.

[movonne]

9. How can you be a dem and talk like that...would you rather a right

wing nut on instead...being left is a good thing...

[SeaLyons]

15. ...

I think any extreme doesn't win the White House. I agree with Michael Moore on many issues, but coming on Larry and bashing Hillary, saying things about her that are not true, does not help the democratic party.

[lligrd]

20. Perhaps You Could Tell Us Which "Left Wing" Issues

you disagree with. Is it gay rights, womens rights, universal health care, environmental conservations, educational rights, etc.? Perhaps it is peace on earth?

[SeaLyons]

24. ...

perhaps it just boils down to holding the WAR against Hillary Clinton.

Gay right, womens rights, universal health care, global warming, education, PEACE ON EARTH - those are all issues that we ALL support (including Hillary).

[Shae]

34. Hillary Clinton is not

totally responsible for the Iraq war, but she did give authorization to Bush with her vote.

[cascadiance]

49. AND she didn't learn from this mistake in her vote on Kyle/Lieberman

If and when Bush attacks Iran, which Scott Ritter makes sound very likely soon, you KNOW he will use that vote as an excuse to go and do what he has planned, and then she'll have to explain that too!

Bottom line is that she can publicly parse what she wants in public comments on how she feels about Iran and the war in Iraq, but voting that way is more about giving Bush the excuse to invade rather than trying to appeal to some centrists that still have the wild idea that a war with Iran will be somehow useful in certain situations, and that somehow Bush will be judicious on when those situations would happen.

[cascadiance]

50. duplicate post delete

[bvar22]

55. Hillary does NOT support Universal HealthCare !

Hillary supports forcing all Americans to BUY Health Insurance from "For Profit" Corporations.
Hillary and her fans call this abomination "Universal HealthCare", but it is NOT.
Hillary's plan is a REPUBLICAN Health Insurance scam. (SEE: Mitt Romney)

Michael Moore supports Universal HealthCare as it is know in the rest of the World.....single payer.

[MNBrewer]

72. Hillary Clinton "sorta" supports gay rights

As long as we don't want marriage, she's OK.

In fact, if you look at the Human Rights Campaign website, they rate Clinton and Obama identically on their issues chart.

Neither candidate is for gay people in this country being really equal.

[DutchLiberal]

76. The third candidate is. (Mike Gravel)

[cascadiance]

13. Thanks for trying to follow the Republicans in trying to shift the right/left scale their way...

'er... NO THANKS for that!

We don't need any in this party that continues to try to marginalize what many would argue as the majority of this country as "the left". MOST Americans want us out of this war. It is the corporatists that Hillary represents that want it to continue for their selfish profiteering!

[SeaLyons]

19. ...

RW nuts are not good. Neither are LW nuts. They don't win the White House.

[lligrd]

17. The Left Wing Is The Only Thing Keeping America Aloft

these days. Was it your intent to attempt to disrespect the majority of people on DU?

[Webster Green]

23. You're dissing the "left wing" on a left wing website..

I found the URL for this site when I was watching the chimp's Inaugural Parade in 2001. A couple of wacky, left wing radical protesters had unfurled a huge banner that said "democraticunderground.com". I was on the site within minutes.

What's your point anyway? Are you a right-winger? :smoke:

[stevenleser]

73. Is that what "Ignored" said? I can always tell I have the right folks on Ignore.

Ignore is your friend! Ignoring people who attack the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party on a Democratic website is absolutely appropriate!

[progressoid]

25. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!

Oh, sorry. I thought you were being sarcastic.

[KoKo]

29. K&R!

[pberq]

37. you only make these absurd statements because

Mike has come out against the perfect Hillary

[Arugula Latte]

41. She doesn't say those things directly. She just gets her surrogates to do it for her. nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. You say "so left wing" as if that's a bad thing

:eyes:

We've gone so far to the right that a little more "so left wing" is a necessary corrective.

[Forkboy]

65. He's no Pat Buchanan, that's for sure.

[NOLALady]

71. Too bad

more of them aren't so left wing they fall off the charts.

What's the point of two RW parties?

[harun]

82. Michael is not extreme left wing, he is honest. Which if that is

extreme left wing, count me in.

[DeeDeeNY]

84. To paraphrase Stephen Colbert,

reality has a well-known liberal bias!

[Webster Green]

14. Michael Moore is the real "straight talking maverick"..

I love him. He's a very successful, big-shot film maker, who has the appearance and demeanor of Joe six-pack next door, is humble and spiritual, and has a real knack for cutting through all the bullshit, and explaining what's really going on.

He can shred anyone in a discussion or argument about the state of affairs we find ourselves in. He was in great form last night on Larry King.

My hero!:thumbsup:

[lligrd]

18. Moore Was Great

As usual!

[gblady]

21. new film

I loved that he is doing a new film about getting the vote out...
getting the message out that Dems only lost by one state last time...
important message about how your vote could be the deciding factor.

[knixphan]

27. nice!!

[defendandprotect]

32. Watched it --- thought the calls and subject matter slow and boring . . .

Michael has a new movie coming out????

Michael was great --- calls boring.

Would have been perfect time for someone to ask about nationalizing oil, electric cars,
complicity of car industry in keeping oil industry afloat!

9/11 questions . . .

[defendandprotect]

33. "SICKO" has never been shown on TV, as far as I'm aware --- !!!!

Striking fear into the hearts of corporations isn't something corporate-media wants to do,
evidently . . .

[redqueen]

36. Those last three sentences say it all...

"I guess the difference I see here is, is that I have not heard Senator Obama try to make people afraid to vote for Senator Clinton because she's a woman. I haven't heard anything out of his mouth.

But for her to try and make white, you know, working class, as they say, people vote for her and not him, to frighten them with words like Farrakhan and Hamas and things like that, I just -- I just think that that's not necessary."

[hedgehog]

53. That's the part that caught my ear last night and made me look up

the transcript this morning!

[Brigid]

38. I love Michael Moore!

I hardly ever watch Larry King, but I did last night. I lovede what he said about taxes and the French. :)

[BenDavid]

39. michael moore is so full of himself and you obama folks give him

to much credit as being a major player. hell, you all should still be pissed at this walrus for backing nader in 2000 and we see how that turned out, now don't we.

[Webster Green]

44. Michael Moore is less "full of himself" than anyone I can think of..

But you, being a hapless inhabitant of "Opposite World", have come up with yet another post that is precisely 180 degrees out of phase with reality.

:rofl:

[pberq]

40. Just watched Sicko again - an outstanding movie!

Michael Moore is an American hero

[defendandprotect]

54. Also noticed that I don't see this in the stores --- like Drug Fair/Foodtown --- the way

I saw some of his earlier films . . . I haven't bought it yet!!!

And, I certainly haven't seen a copy of it at my library --- have to check on that!!!

Love Michael Moore --- and does he have a new movie? I thought that's what LK said???

[TragedyandHope]

42. Yes, it was really great to hear a thoughtful American speak to the country

What a wonderful, refreshing change! Imagine when we have a thoughtful American in the White House!

[liam_laddie]

45. Good graphic design...

but colors remind me of prewar European posters...Russian, the former east bloc, etc. Any way to get less red (the right) some GREEN (enviro) and brighter blue...the red-blue meme currently popular in describing rep-Dem parties. At only three colors, it's tough, I know. Is it a real silk-screen image or only digital at this time? Good job on the basic layout and shading! Thanks for posting it.
:applause:

[TragedyandHope]

51. That is an official "Artists for Obama" design by Shepard Fairey

Artists for Obama

Shepard Fairey's website

[Rhiannon12866]

56. K&R! Sorry I missed this... Thanks for posting it!

:yourock:

[Tribetime]

57. Moore said "I'm white" Larry says "huh"

I'm white Larry, so I couldn't answer the question. I haven't lived as a black man so I couldn't answer as to the question would I have left the church. I don't think it's right for Hillary to say what she would have done becuase she hasn't been through what Obama has been through. On the other hand women have gone through their own struggles, but Obama has not attacked her for being a woman.

This isn't exact, but the best I can remember from yesterday.

[Rhiannon12866]

58. Thanks! Wish I could recommend your post, too!

He is being more honest than Hillary, but then he isn't running for office. *sigh*

But I listened to a caller on Randi Rhodes today, an elderly woman, maybe black, who said she's belonged to the same church for 47 years, and that there's much more to her church community, the Sunday school, soup kitchen, helping the sick, etc., than just the individual pastor. And she must have seen several. I thought that she made a very good point, since I've known people who belonged to churches where they haven't particularly liked the priest, but they stayed because it was their church, and, chances are, they outlasted the priest or pastor...:shrug:

[UndertheOcean]

59. K&R -- Moore is great !

[NoPasaran]

68. A great big sack of shit.

[UndertheOcean]

69. who ? you ?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

70. It is stuff like this...

That just reflects so well on your candidate.

[poebango]

60. Larry Stupid, Michael Smart

First, Larry King is just a shockingly stupid man. How people confuse his slack-jawed, drooling, blank look on his face for a "listener" is beyond me. He is never prepared. His lack of informed opinion is astonishing. Secondly, I still think that Michael Moore is awesome and thank God that he's still out there. I am always amazed when LIBERALS say things like, well, I don't like him because he doesn't show both sides -- he's so one-sided. Huh? We have been --and still are being -- blasted every day with one-sided Republican bullshit. We NEED him to show the worst of how things are to even slightly counter-balance the crap we're fed every day by the Right. Or someone says, I don't like him because he's full of himself. Again, huh? He's tough and passionate and keeps going and going and going. He has opened the eyes of millions of people who never would have questioned or known about all issues he has brought to light. I can't wait for his next documentary.

[mudesi]

63. Why am I not surprised that Clinton supporters are against Michael Moore

The man has been right close to 99.99999999% of the time.

Go back to Limbaugh and O'Reilly, Clinton supporters. :puke:

Oh, and maybe trash Olbermann again while you're at it.

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[Mimosa]

64. Wakeup call for me: MM on LK was cool

I didn't used to like Michael Moore. But people learn and change: even MM learns and changes. That was one good show. Larry King HAS seemed "awake" for the past week.

[cui bono]

66. k & r

[Faygo Kid]

67. Excellent dude, commendable citizen. We're lucky to have him.

That was a great show.

[mcollier]

79. You may want to watch tonight too..

Sidney Portier will be on...

Honesty is underrated....

[GoldieAZ49]

78. So he didn't walk out because he prefers to be a fat slob

and it would be to much exercise

He doesn't get much mental exercise either

[mike772]

80. He hasn't nailed anything in years

Everyone knows that!

:donut:

[nvme]

81. His emphasizing not making people afraid of voting for the black candidate

I prayed that farenheit 9 11 would have had a greater impact in 04. For some reason negative politics prevailed and swiftboating was born.
Swiftboating and Gotcha seem to be a recurring theme these days. The level of discourse sinks further. What was to be an epic contest, has turned out to be vile. Rovian politics is now the norm. Our country needs a leader who is willing to go the distance. Diving into the sewer and pandering to our baser nature has created this mess. We are in debt beyond imagination. Our banks teeter. Our buying power is diminished to the point we have to shop in dollar stores and buy crap dumped on us by china. We can't even look at the chinese in the eye, much less negotiate with them. They own us. Everyone scurries around the minute a corporation says dance. Wage have lost ground to the tune of 1k. gasoline is stratospheric. speculators are gouging us by inflating the cost of both gas and food. All of this without even considering the 2 wars we are involved with. These are just the tangible bread and butter. The list is almost endless on what needs to be adressed



Sometimes yellow dog Democratic is the only way. As much as it will leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth the need to support the party could never be greater. The problems that exist internally can be adressed at an appropriate time. After we take back our government.
We can then toss pelosi reid and lieberman. We can start fresh. and wipe out the scourge of right wing taint. The country is desperately looking to go left. We tried Right and it failed. Now make it possible for the American public to embrace the changes we propose.

Michael Moore has advocated for liberal causes thats what counts. Whom he endorses is his business. Do not vilify for that reason.

[Bluenorthwest]

83. Ah Mike, any way the wind blows...

Ok, we all know in 2000 Mike thought Gore was about the same as Bush. Here is from his open letter to Al in Oct 2000:

" I will not feel one iota of guilt should you screw up and lose on Tuesday. The blame I do share is that I voted for you and Bill in 1992. And I have spent the last 8 years doing what I could, in my own small ways, to try and stop the hemorrhaging that your administration caused."

Now by the time 2004 rolled around, Mike was over Ralph and hit the road to press the youth vote to go with Kerry. I attened one of these events, and Mike was excellent. The event was disrupted by Nader voters, Mike faced them off with wit and force, and they had to be ejected. Mike, who said in 2000 he would not feel an iota of guilt if Gore lost, apologized many times and made a great point of backing the Democratic nomniee.
Now in 2004 the nominee was John Kerry, who voted the same as Hillary on the pre Iraq Resolutions. Mike said on King:

" I just said that I morally, morally -- and I say that, you know, from a very deep place inside of me, can't vote for somebody who voted for this war."

Now in 2004 Mike toured the country saying vote for Kerry, and his endorsment was one of the things that got me on borad to vote for a war voter. For Mike to say 'I Can't vote for somebody who voted for this war" is unusal for a man who claimed to have voted for Kerry, and who asked many othters to do so as well. Perhaps he really did vote Nader 2004? Or maybe the war vote is a situational ethics kind of thing?
I have been a huge fan of Moore's since the first release week of his first film. I've read his books and attended his events. But on Presidential politics, he is all over the place. I can not take him seriously anymore on that issue. He can't vote for someone who voted for the war, but he already did. Maybe he means he can't do it again. Maybe he means he can not get up and tour the nation at his own expense to ask thousands of people to vote along with him, for someone who voted for the war. I heard him ask a packed house to vote for Kerry. The end.

[DeeDeeNY]

85. Moore is brilliant, and I loved SICKO, but I don't understand

why he doesn't acknowledge the election fraud that took place in 2004.