While Obama was in Bloomington talking to 20,000, Hillary was at our local bus terminal.

[Buzz Clik]

No kidding. She spoke at our bus terminal. To 1000 people.



Uh. Ok.

[helderheid]

1. eek

[Jim Sagle]

2. And yet Obama sux anyhow. Go figure.

[dionysus]

5. someone's bitter smoove johnny's candidacy was nuthin but a bag of shit...

:rofl:

here, take a banky jim...

[leftofcool]

3. Excellent! She can speak to small crowds as well and large ones

[Buzz Clik]

9. Yes, excellent!

She is getting a lot of practice talking to small crowds. That's a good thing, right. That's real good because it shows that ... that ... she hasn't let her $10 million annual income go to her head. She's just common folk.

[me b zola]

4. Someone buy her a one way ticket to Scranton

She wanted to claim it as her home town, let her go there and live it--permanently.

[4themind]

6. Don't knock it, obama spoke at Urbana-champaign terminal...

OF course that was almost one and a half years ago, right around the time he announced...lol

[Botany]

7. That Damn Obama

"With his big crowds, fancy speeches, and raising all
that money. Just who does he think he is?" Hillary

[northzax]

8. and he drew 20,000 in pittsburgh

before the primary there. how'd that end up for him? John Kerry drew rockstar crowds in 2004 as well.

[Buzz Clik]

10. Actually, it turned out great. Hillary needed at least a double digit win, more like 20%...

... and she didn't get it. Now, she's toast.

[northzax]

29. 'turned out great'

what great spin from the straight and honest campaign! WHEEE! we only lost by 9.46!

[Buzz Clik]

31. You cannot deny the accuracy of my statements. No spin was necessary

[northzax]

35. good point

in yet another large, diverse state, Hillary Clinton beat Barack Obama. head to head, despite spending only a quarter of what he spent. those facts good enough for you?

[Buzz Clik]

39. That's a fact. But it's not the important metric, is it?

Let's talk delegate count, shall we?

[northzax]

43. ok, let's

neither candidate has the number of pledged delegates needed to win. Therefore they need unpledged delegates to come to their side to win. If you are an unpledged delegate who still hasn't announced, you want to pick the winner. are you going to jump on the bandwagon of a candidate who has lost a bunch of races in a row? gets harder to think about it, right?

[Buzz Clik]

53. Recall that we were discussing the PA primary. How'd that turn out, delegate-wise?

[Terran]

48. and had zero effect

on the status quo (which = Obama = nominee)

[chill_wind]

18. And probably would have ended up even better if they had all gotten to vote. n/t

[BenDavid]

11. well, no one ever accused obama of not being able to give a good

speech, but really, what else does he have? Nothing.....

[Boz]

14. You know what he doesn't have 10 million dollar debt to working americans

Hillary? Not so much.

Demonstrating those deficit spending skills, way to go Hill wooohooo!

[cliffordu]

17. You mean besides the nomination? 4 new supers today, she lost one...

:hi:

[grantcart]

36. Now he is up 5 and she is even

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5765553

[cliffordu]

37. Thanks, Grantcart - -LOL. Nice day to support Obama, Eh??

:toast:

[DearAbby]

23. Imagine, Ben.

for a person who has nothing but a good speech is beating your candidate...what does that say about her? Each time you claim Obama is an empty suit, or nothing more than a speech...just say the rest...Yet he is beating her.

[indimuse]

24. Prepackaged production! Roll in >>> Roll out

!

[NJSecularist]

12. Hillary seems to be doing a much better job of connecting to voters.

So what if Obama has big rallies? It hasn't translated to any more voters recently.

[Buzz Clik]

13. It sure as hell hasn't translated to any less voters, either.

He's still ahead in every metric.

[Boz]

15. So she is like the kid who is taught to take tests. Not to know the info

Thats why big states are all she talks about because all she cares about, and now you have demonstrated is voters.

The president represents more people that arent voters than that are, your right she doesnt get that.

He does.

[DearAbby]

26. well...imagine.

More Democrats have registered this year, thousand and thousands, they are showing up at the polls 2-1 against the Republicans...sometimes more. Those big rallies, the discontent in this country is showing up at the polls....you statement rings hollow.

[gal]

27. Since we are ONE COUNTRY...

It matters who has the most overall to see who connects the best, not just a few states.

[Zookeeper]

16. I heard a report on NPR from a reporter who said that being....

assigned to cover Clinton is "drawing the short stick" only because she is absolutely tireless and they know they won't get any sleep. She actually asks her staff to come up with more places to speak and her schedule runs from 5 am to past Midnight.

So, speaking at bus terminal is yet another opportunity to connect with voters. I'm guessing you are viewing it as some sort of indication of weakness, though.

I'll bet that more people in that crowd of 1,000 had a chance to actually talk with her, that if it had been an audience of 20,000. And having been a Greyhound bus rider at a certain time in my life, I think it's pretty cool that she chose that venue.

[Boz]

19. Because she cant afford halls, still havent paid for ones in January

And by the way most people at a greyhound station are most likely leaving the state its in, not likely to be voter as they are more likely to be transient and not registered to vote, or felons and miscreants who no longer have the vote.

Its aint one at a time vote gettin its mass communicating, can't get in front of a camera if she dont talk, cant afford to pay for a place, has to do gas stations and greyhound terminals, she should be on her way to homeless shelters next.

[Zookeeper]

21. You sound quite elitist for someone who either can't type or...

can't form a coherent sentence.

I wasn't a transient, felon or miscreant and I was a voter when I rode the Greyhound bus.

I'm surprised that someone on DU would so easily dismiss and stereotype an entire group of people based on their mode of transportation and assumed low-income. But, it fits my impression of the most zealous (not all) Obama supporters as being out-of-touch with working class people. (Usually, young, affluent, white men with mommy-issues, from what I've noticed.)

Whether or not this is a issue based on her (and his) campaign chest, I don't know and I won't debate you on that. I've been doing my best lately, to stay away from DU and the primary hysteria, as I plan to vote for the eventual nominee and am just hoping that the zealots on both sides don't destroy that nominee's chances against McCrazy in November.

[Boz]

28. You obviously missed the colloquial reference to brother where art thou and the Iliad

Your single observation of greyhound with projection is wrong and missing context.

As to the elitist out of touch, quite the opposite, I have 10 years of experience of EXACTLY WHO AND WHAT goes on at a greyhound station as a nightshift baker in a shop in a terminal in cleveland and then later chicago. Doesn't get more working class than that, or more contextually observational of goings on in a station, in this direct discussion.

I have been proud working class thank you.

As to the stereotype, glass houses my friend.

Note your own mommy issues statements.

[Buzz Clik]

20. First, it was a city bus terminal, not the Hound. However,

the plaza where she spoke -- and it was announced a few days prior -- can accomodate over ten thousand.

Her connecting with voters clearly was not the thrust of this. It was in the middle of the day in a working class town. No schools brought their kids, no businesses let their employees out. However, she got dynamite coverage in the local rag (which is a purely Republican outfit).

She's clearly playing it on the cheap -- making the most out of her dismal budget situation -- looking for media events rather than playing directly to the voters themselves.

[Zookeeper]

22. Thank you for explaining it more clearly.

I haven't been following the candidate's schedules closely, as I'm not terribly in love with either of them. However, I would like to see them both treated fairly, as I don't relish the idea of my sons being drafted during a McCrazy presidency.

[Boz]

34. Then you should really consider chosing sides, because one democratic candidate has proposed a third

front in Iran and has as stated policy of America being a Nuclear police force for our allies in the middle east.

With the military already over stretched, and the privatized military force at capacity a draft is the only way to keep with those policies.

I'll let you educate yourself about which democrat has those stated and standing policies without my influence or choosing sides.

Since those are your concerns, just thought you may want to look again and consider a more defined side to protect your sons.

[Zookeeper]

38. Oh, I'm educated about them, thank you.

My problem is with short-sighted supporters on either side, trying to destroy a fellow Democrat to advance their candidate.

McCrazy is more of a threat than Clinton. And the ugliness directed at both Clinton and Obama just increases his chance of being elected in November.

I don't like Clinton's "hawkish" stance, but I like her strength and competence. I don't think Obama has much strength or substance (might develop more with maturity), but I appreciate his measured approach.

It doesn't matter much what they say at this point as they are both politicians and are beholden to forces greater (richer and more powerful) than "us."

Nope. 'Not taking sides, except against McCain.

[ieoeja]

57. If he doesn't have much strength or substance at 46...

... then he isn't likely to get it when he gets older.

I am the same age. And I would have to say that I stopped "maturing" a decade or more ago. Now I'm just aging!

[Mimosa]

55. Iran: the third front?

Boz, you are sharp as a tack. You remind me of Le Roi Dong who posts on Vincent and Morticia's Speakeasy. That's about the highest compliment I can give!

[LisaM]

54. I heard that report too. It speaks very well to her work ethic.

Obama spoke here in the middle of the day, so anyone who worked and wanted to hear him (he got a lot of college students, of course) had to take a couple of hours off. I like Clinton's strategy; she is addressing people without their having to leave work to do it.

Although I am not making a comparison in terms of policy, this does remind me of 2000, when the Bush press corps liked his cushy schedule and riding on his plane (e.g., Candy Crowley), and the Gore reporters had a harder time of it. It affected their reporting big time.

[mattclearing]

25. LOL. Maybe her campaign couldn't afford gas for the motorcade? n/t

[chascarrillo]

30. Did she figure out how to work the vending machines?

[Buzz Clik]

32. You mean like when she was stumped by the coffee dispenser earlier in the day at the gas station?

As far as I know, they are still feeding her through tubes.

[Iceburg]

33. Close-up and personal. Most politicians have difficulty in that setting.

Good for her.

[DefenseLawyer]

40. Hillary used to drive a bus

Didn't you know?

[azmouse]

41. AND she drove while dodging sniper fire.

[DefenseLawyer]

42. It was her bus driving skills that ultimately saved Sinbad's life that day.

Sorry, I tear up a little bit when I think back on it. God bless us, every one!

[Leopolds Ghost]

49. SPEED 3, starring Sinbad --

and Kirsten Dunst as a young Hillary Clinton. Don't stop campaigning...

...or the bus will go up in flames -- and can't afford the repair bill.

A lighter, comedy movie.

John Candy co-stars as the Typical White Voter who saves Hillary's ass in PA.

[Leopolds Ghost]

47. We used to drink 1,000 flagons of wine... in Palestine -- er -- Scranton

While driving a bus...

[LisaM]

44. Her appearance seem more grassroots to me.

It was like that in Seattle. She did three things to Obama's one - he had the huge rally in the afternoon at a big arena with padded seats. She did a late night event (the one I went to) in an unheated warehouse at the Port of Seattle (about 5000 people), an interview in the morning (he declined it) and a town hall with nurses in Tacoma (about 5000 people) even though many of the nurses would be excuded from voting by our caucus system. One reason I support her is that I believe that she has an incredible work ethic and I applaud it. NPR did a piece about this yesterday morning.

I know that her gas-station event was a photo-op, but frankly, it reaches more working-class Joes than Obama's stunt with the North Carolina basketball team.

[SoCalDem]

50. Key word "seem"..

She's all about making things SEEM down-to-earth and "homey"..but she's lived a HIGH-CLASS lifestyle for most of her life..a governor's wife, a president's wife, a senator..and yes even as a young person, an "ivy-league" life..

Her trip to India in '02 shows more of what she's about.. She went there, told them to not worry..outsourcing to them would continue..BUT they needed to "invest" more in the US so it would LOOK better and would SEEM as if the balance were better...of course the very next year BILL made half a mil or more by CONSULTING with India on... you guessed it..investments in America..


She pretends to be against NAFTA, when she was an avid supporter.. She's a player..nothing special..not a role model..not a trailblazer..just a hack politician..with ovaries & a yellow pantsuit

[LisaM]

56. OK, ARE more grass roots.

If you think that Obama, who made 4.2 million last year, lives in a 1.6 million dollar house, and spends $10,000 per year for his daughters to take piano and ballet and go to summer camp is more in touch with the average person, I think you are kidding yourself. She has fourteen years on him, but he is doing better now than than she was when Bill first ran for President.

Face it, with the possible exception of Kucinich, they're all rich and they all live in big houses and spend money on custom clothing and probably don't cook and wash dishes, either.

Obama voted for expansion of NAFTA too. Face it, they are BOTH centrists. I am probably closer to Pat Buchanan's position on NAFTA (though for different reasons) than I am to either Clinton's or Obama's.

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. Only Elitists Rely on Mass Transit.

It was obviously a big-ticket fundraiser.

[SoCalDem]

46. Hustling for busfare back to Scranton??

:rofl:

[snooper2]

51. She can't afford to rent any venues...

and her credit is fucked..

:rofl:





GOBAMA!

[SeaLyons]

52. She does a great job - small crowds, large - doesn't matter..

She knows how to connect.

Go Hillary!!