ATTENTION: Al Gore and Bill Bradely removed their Names from the 2000 Michigan Primary Ballot

[yodermon]

due to the same shenanigans of moving their primary date up in violation of DNC rules.

Where were the outcries of voter disenfranchisement then?

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/2000presprim.htm#MI

[SoonerPride]

1. Facts don't matter anymore to Hillary or her minions.

Watch the replies below to see what I mean.

[purji]

2. crickets ? n/t

on edit I meant to reply to the OP.

I figure it will take them a while to get the talking points in order.

[mattclearing]

3. It wasn't the difference, so nobody cared. n/t

[jasmine621]

4. But weren't the MI delgates seated anyway? nt

[TheDoorbellRang]

5. Yeah. After Terry McAuliffe threatened to not seat them

That's why they thought to pull the same crap this year -- there were no consequences for their bad behavior last time.

[yodermon]

6. Kick for the Clinton Supporters to clear up my cognitive dissonance on this!

I'm very confused.

[olkaz]

12. Don't be confused, there is no cognitive dissonance.

They are not completely stupid. They realize that seating these delegates are a means to an end pleasing to them. Damn the rules, damn the tradition, damn the process. All that stands in the way of her entitled nomination and eventual presidency is evil and must be brought to heel or made negligible.

The Hillary bus is a comin'. And it don't pay no mind to 2000 Michigan.

[paulk]

7. maybe because only 44,000 people voted

and the race didn't have an impact on the nomination?

[9119495]

8. It still doesn't have an impact on the nomination.

[SoonerPride]

9. Game. Set. Match.

Game over, man, game over.

[paulk]

14. I guess we'll see about that?

I would never be so arrogant as to predict the future.

[9119495]

25. I'm predicting the past. Hillary Clinton told me it would "not count

for anything."

I would not be so arrogant as to question the great Senator Clinton.

[sandnsea]

22. Maybe because Gore and Bradley are honest people

A lot of DUers who pretend to be Clinton supporters are long time hacks and trolls. You, otoh, good lord man, what will it take for you to see the woman for the pos she is. She's claiming a win after she said herself that the votes wouldn't count.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. Does it really matter which candidate did or did not do what?

Or does it matter that if there is an election and people go to the polls to vote, those votes should count for something?

[SoonerPride]

13. Unless all names are on the ballot AND the election is sanctioned by the DNC, then it is meaningless

Even Hillary said so.

Why the flip flop?

Desperation, that's why.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. Am I asking about what Hillary (or Obama or Gore or Bradley) said?

Or am I asking if there's an election to which candidates are eligible to have their names on the ballot (regardless of whether or not upon their own initiative those candidates choose to put their names on the ballot), and people go to the polls to exercise their civic duty to vote, should those votes count for something?

I voted in Florida. For Edwards. So I really don't care who won. I just want the reassurance that my vote is rightfully viewed as a legitimate exercise of my rights.

[SoonerPride]

24. If I voted for President in 2005 does it count for anything?

Only sanctioned elections count.

I'm sorry your election was null and void.

Anarchy cannot be condoned or rewarded. There are rules. Don't abide by the rules and your vote, unfortunately, is null and void because you participated in an unsantioned and meaningless exercise.


You, in point of fact, did not vote for anything nor anyone.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

26. Did your state hold presidential elections in 2005?

No? Okay then, so your point is meaningless.

My state held a primary election. It was set by the legislature, a legal process, for better or worse. But that was the one date I was allowed to vote for the Democratic candidate of my choice. It wasn't as though I had a choice--e.g. I could vote in the January primary or I could vote in a later primary to appease the DNC rulebook.

I had one day I could vote for the Democratic primary candidates, and I choose to exercise my vote on that day because voting means a lot to me. Frankly, it means more to me than arbitrary and obscure DNC rules. And I'll be damned if I sat at home and not voted due to some technical violation of the DNC rules.

I seriously can't believe you actually think disenfranchisement is okay. After all we went through in 2000. But hey, two legs good, four legs bad. Means to an end.

[SoonerPride]

28. You are not disenfranschised. There is no right to vote in primaries,.

Sorry, but the state could pick a candidate in any manner they want and the national party can choose to accept or deny the validity of it.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. it was not a contested primary

[high density]

16. Clinton was "inevitable" for all of 2007

What is your point?

[progressoid]

15. Oh Pshaw. Who is this Gore and Bradley anyway?

Never heard of them before.


:freak:

[KaptBunnyPants]

17. Notice the lack of effective counter-argument.

Hillary backers know that they are gaming the election, and don't care because winning is more important. Every single one of these people would have backed Bush in the 2000 coupe, if he was their candidate. They have no shame.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

27. DP

[thoughtcrime1984]

18. THEY are actually decent, rule-following people

And with that, I am going to cut back my DUing until the nomination is officially over. It's like a bunch of monkeys trying to fuck a football in here. Republican hell has descended upon us.

[TragedyandHope]

19. Obama and Edwards did in 2008

Good company, I say.

:kick:

[redqueen]

20. Well... but Hillary didn't need those votes... so that's *different*.

[Coexist]

21. I was't aware they did that.

thanks for the history lesson