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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM
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Reverend Wright's Honorary Degree Canceled by Northwestern
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:39 PM
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1. Wright did it to himself.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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3. Yes he did but I fear we have not heard the last of him
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:45 PM
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6. self-delete.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:46 PM by cali
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:39 PM
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2. Oopsie. This isn't going to help
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:42 PM
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4. WOW!
They cancelled an invitation for him to speak.

Didn't *somebody* do that same thing to him last year?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:45 PM
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5. Yea but he wasn't offering an honorary degree
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:46 PM
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7. Just a Pony!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:46 PM
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8. ROFLCOPTER!!!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:36 AM
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75. kewl!
lol...
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:50 PM
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9. What's funny?
Is there a joke in there somewhere?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:25 PM
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29. The Joy of Watching AA Leaders
go down has become a spectator sport for the supporters of the losing candidate.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:09 PM
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68. Seems so.
eom
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:55 PM
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10. That sucks. Reverend Wright is being railroaded out of things just because he speaks the truth
The hypocritical louses running things see him as too much of a threat to their plush way of life. How sad that this guy is being stifled.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:57 PM
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12. So you agree with Jeremiah Wright's statement that liberalism offers empty promises?
Our hope is not built on faith-based dollars, empty liberal
promises or veiled hate-filled preachments of the so-called
conservatives. Our hope is built on Him who came in the
flesh to set us free.


http://www.tucc.org/pdf/rey_5-2006.pdf

Oops!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:03 PM
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18. Did I say that?? Maybe YOU don't like how he blasted Cheney the other morning, eh?
What is it with some of you people who love to run around suggesting crap where it doesn't exist.

I have posted before that I don't agree with all of what Wright says. That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the rest of what he has to say. The man is refreshing and he isn't afraid to go after Cheney like what he did the other morning in DC.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:06 PM
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22. You wrote that Jeremiah Wright speaks the truth, did you not?
If you think that Jeremiah Wright speaks the truth, then you must agree with his statement that liberalism offers empty promises.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:09 PM
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24. Oh I suppose for your benefit I should start adding disclaimers (snicker)
disclaimer: Even though I said Reverend Wright speaks the truth, I didn't intend it to mean that I think he is dead-on accurate 100% of the time.

Happy now? Jesus h Christ.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:36 PM
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58. More like you didn't realize he said that about liberalism lol
Too freaking hilarious!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:07 PM
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23. or that the US govt created AIDS to kill black people... or Israel is creating an ethnic bomb... or
or or or or or
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:11 PM
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26. Now you're spinning it just like what Morning Joe did
After Wright's speech in DC a few mornings ago, where he said he thought the government was CAPABLE of creating an aids virus, Morning Blowjob spun it as Reverend Wright saying it just like you did, which is WRONG. Give the man some respect and at least get it right.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:16 PM
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27. Jeremiah Wright's own words...
"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." - Jeremiah Wright

Clearly, Jeremiah Wright believes that the government is not just capable of inventing HIV but did it too.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:21 PM
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28. are VASTLY different from your words where you said he said the govt created the aids virus to kill
Black people
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:52 PM
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49. Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something?
Jeremiah Wright unequivocally stated that the government created the HIV virus as a means of genocide.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:31 PM
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32. Not really, no. Might wana have a read here
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/jeremiah-wrights-controversial-aids-charge/

It goes into a bit of detail on the book and author that Wright was name-dropping.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:48 PM
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45. If he said it the way that the other poster claimed, then why don't you just post the quote
please.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:38 PM
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59. You should really just find another morning show
Weren't you the one with the long winded rant about Scarborough and how his program is more dangerous than Limbaugh yesterday?

One has to wonder why you would continue to bump up his ratings via your viewership? LOL!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:46 PM
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44. He has a right to his beliefs no matter what you think of them. It's called Freedom.
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ImpeechBush Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:28 PM
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56. This action does not take away his "right to his beliefs"
I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't have a right to believe what he wants or say what he wants.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:11 PM
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66. psssst.....
1931 - Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 - The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 - The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations.

1940 - Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 - Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.

1943 - In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.

1944 - U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.

1945 - Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

1945 - "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.

1946 - Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.

1947 - Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.

1947 - The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

1950 - Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.

1950 - In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 - Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 - U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

1953 - Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1953 - CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.

1955 - The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1956 - U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1960 - The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the European population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 - Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.

1965 - Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.

1966 - CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.

1966 - U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1967 - CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.

1968 - CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1969 - Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1970 - Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970 - United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.

1975 - The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 - Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 - Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 - First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985 - According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 - According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 - A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 - Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 - More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 - With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994 - Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 - U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 - Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996 - Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997 - Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.


Dark Alliance: The CIA, The Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion
By Gary Webb
http://www.uhuh.com/bbks/darkalli.htm
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:40 PM
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40. To Him It's True
Salvation can only come through personally knowing Jesus...It doesn't come through government...That's Christianity 101...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:52 PM
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46. You think that liberals have lived up to all the promises made?
As a lifelong liberal, i KNOW that there is a long history of unfulfilled promises. Can you deny that?

Besides, he is obviously speaking as a preacher there, saying the ONE thing the faithful can depend on is NOT the liberals, NOT the conservatives, but in God.

Sounds like pretty mainstream preaching, to me.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:58 PM
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13. Stifled?
Wright is hardly being stifled. He is free to say whatever he wants. He just is not going to be getting an honorary degree nor use the university's microphone. That is the university's right. He's had more of an open forum for his views in the last week than most people get in a lifetime.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:06 PM
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21. Stifled in the sense that he's being railroaded out of opportunities to speak
as evidenced in the OP.
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ImpeechBush Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:24 PM
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55. So Obama is a "hypocritical louse" now
just because he condemned Wright?
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:17 PM
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72. Are you comfortable with Wright's statement that Obama only said
what he said because he is a politician?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:33 AM
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74. Outstanding hypocrisy
abandonment and betrayal. No loyalty, no judgment
Bunch of turncoats.

Jesus wept.

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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:55 PM
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11. I wonder if Wright accomplished what he hoped to? n/t
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:58 PM
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14. Ouch! That's gotta hurt.
:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:59 PM
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15. That's pretty tragic... n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:59 PM
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16. All major universities should join Northwestern University and condemn Wright's beliefs. That should
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:59 PM by jody
really win votes for BO. :sarcasm:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:00 PM
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17. Let's take a quick poll in here among our hatefesters
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:29 PM by chill_wind
Highest formal educational degree that any of you have earned?


How do you all stack up to this?

In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland. During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.


Unless you don't want to concede even what the Free Republic reseachers turned up and were forced to concede. Though I notice the "honorary degree" was the most important talking point to them, too.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1989586/posts

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:05 PM
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19. When Senator Obama Renounced Reverend Wright He Legitimized The Criticism Of Him
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:41 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
He was called a "buffon" on Countdown and Stephen Colbert photoshopped Reverend Wright's photo to make it look like the photo of Brittany Spears where she was getting out of car wearing no panties...Use your imagination...

I agreed with him on some things and disagreed with him on others... But he didn't deserved to be made into a national clown by White America...
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:26 PM
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30. Obama didn't legitimize this. What's in this thread is just pure vindictive garbage.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:27 PM by chill_wind
Pity he's still got a few degrees to spare that no one can strip him of.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:38 PM
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37. I Like HRC But I Didn't Partake In The Wright Bashathon
That being said the MSM was protecting Wright to some degree because they didn't want to harm Obama's candidacy...But when Obama cut him off he became fair game...

I have a ribald sense of humor but I didn't think photoshopping the Reverend Wright coming out of a car to look like a pantieless Brittany Spears coming out of a car was funny...

I guess they are trying to make him look like an attention whore...

I'm surprised this was never done to Farrakhan...I think he scares them...

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:44 PM
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43. Points taken. I know you're trying to be reasonable and sane :-)
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:25 PM by chill_wind
My disgust is with some others' points elsewhere.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:56 PM
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48. I Always Ask Myself Am I Being True Or Am I Being A Hypocrite?
Three days ago Reverend Wright was a prophet on this board who spoke the truth...Now, he's a punchline...What changed?

His overarching point that America is flawed and black folks have legitimate grievances is spot on... The question becomes how do we address those grievances and become a more perfect union...We should force America to live up to ideals...


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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:32 PM
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33. That is what we call a "logical fallacy"
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:38 PM
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38. This is what we call "Lord of The Flies."
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:38 PM by chill_wind
The guy's *been* destroyed already. That NOT enough for you?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
60. I know DUers who exceed Wright's academic accomplishments. So What? n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. If we're lucky, most of them are are participating in more constructive causes
Edited on Thu May-01-08 06:06 PM by chill_wind
than laboring on about this latest one, which seems, among other things aimed at making sure no one misses the total "fraudulance" of his character or intellect or his activist causes. Emphasizing his "honorary degree", and and reveling at this symbolic gesture of pulling of it is just one more way of making sure everybody "gets it" and just how much he should be punished.

To his credit, higher academia hasn't been the only dimension he's ever lived or labored in, in trying to work for change. But let's KEEP pecking his eyes out. In case there might be ANYTHING left of him as a recognizable human, even a very fallible one.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Then what were you trying to accomplish in #17? The issue seems to be whether BO knew about Wright's
statements given that BO attended Wright's church for 20 years and had some social contact with Wright.

BO apparently denies hearing any of Wright's controversial statements which seems amazing for one intelligent enough to graduate from Harvard Law School.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:22 PM
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70. Oh, I GOT your "issue" .
Here's just one of mine and why I find the Dem's own party participation and exploitation of it so unpleasant, to say the least:


Wright means nothing to the media or to the men behind the curtain. If he didn't provide an avenue for denigrating Obama, he'd be treated with the same indifference as the thousands of other blacks who were herded at gunpoint into the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina. Better buckle up. Obama has entered the crosshairs of America's criminal oligarchy and things are bound to get nasty.


http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney04282008.html

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:55 PM
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71. Makes sense re how the media views Wright but would they do the same for anyone who could be made
into a provocative news item for any candidate?

I look forward to voting for the Dem candidate in November, whoever that might be.

Have a nice evening, :hi:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:54 AM
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73. That's the thing--
It's not that we can say it's been exclusively aimed. They've been taking their turns at both Dems.The gaming is clearly going to be for the John McCain status quo. But there's just been such an extra startling level of toxity there.

We know they can live with McCain. He's not going to stop the war. Kill the overnite lobby lady story by breakfast? NO problem. They know the Clintons plenty, too. They're not even pretending to campaign on change.

Obama hasn't been as war friendly. And he talks too carefully. Saying he doesn't want to play Washington's game, like he might even mean a little of it. All the players with blood on their hands aren't quite sure they like that "movement" rhetoric..

To quote back again what Mike Whitney was saying, but all of it put way better than I ever could:

"The media use every soapbox in the country to preach uber-nationalism and vilify America's critics as unpatriotic. That's why the wrath of the media has descended on Obama like a Texas hailstorm; they're afraid he doesn't understand who really runs things in America."

I think he scares them. And they scare and anger me.

Peace.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:05 PM
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20. This won't sit well with the faculty that recommended him.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:06 PM by izzybeans
"In light of the controversy around Dr. Wright and to ensure the celebratory character of commencement not be affected, the university has withdrawn its invitation to Dr. Wright,''

Snip from article.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:10 PM
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25. Why is this in GDP? Did Wright declare his candidacy?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:27 PM
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31. Wright Has Been Surgically Attached
to Obama's hip!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:32 PM
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34. Yeah, that one kinda made me laugh too! Out loud even.
Too bad Rev.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:33 PM
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35. Note to Rev. Wright: Never uderestimate the American peoples'
addiction to denial.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:36 PM
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36. This is not funny at all
another progressive voice quashed by the corporate-media.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:39 PM
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39. It's possible that the backlash on Wright is and
will be motivated more by the harm he did to Obama than his liberation ideology.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:43 PM
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41. I think that's a good point
I would only add that the manner in which he harmed Obama, going out of his way to inflict damage, is what is harming him.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:55 PM
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47. I agree...
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:43 PM
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42. How sad.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:08 PM
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50. I Think This Is Sad
Some people complain that Wright went public last weekend to do harm to Obama, or so hung up on himself he didn't care. Wright was a someone before anyone outside of Chicago ever heard of Obama.

Some people say associating with Wright has harmed Obama. Others may say it's the other way around - especially since Obama buckled.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:14 PM
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51. I wonder if the Clinton campaign is proud.
In their own words. They said Wright was a legit issue.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2042

Are they happy? Are they patting themselves on the back?

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:17 PM
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52. I agree with the Clinton campaign, which
is a lot kinder than the conservatives who are circling their wagons for the GE.

You should be more concerned about them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:18 PM
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53. So sad to do this to our own....to use one's pastor. CoeGate on the way.
I am doing more research on Coe gate...coming up. Fair is fair.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:23 PM
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54. Posts like this tell me so much about Hillary Clinton and those who love her so.
Satisfaction in the pain of another.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:31 PM
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57. I Have Consistently Defended Him...Search This Thread Or And Do An Auto-Search
I'm not the one who threw him under the bus...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:43 PM
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62. The gloating should stop. It is showing disdain and causing pain
The Clinton campaign appeals to this stuff.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:46 PM
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63. Most Of The Media Was Laying Off Wright
When Senator Obama denounced him it gave the MSM license to denounce him as well... I think some of the attacks on him have been shameful....
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:41 PM
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61. Wonder if Hillary will wear a flight suit when she proclaims "Mission Accomplished"
in the sliming of Wright. Or just a pant suit.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:48 PM
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64. "Ruining people is considered sport"
That was in Vince Foster's suicide note. The interesting thing is that if he felt the opposition party in Washington was too harsh, he could have just resigned and gone home. You would only commit suicide if you discovered that you were on the team that was doing the ruining.

And recent events seem to indicate that he probably killed himself because he found himself of the side that was willing to ruin people for personal gain. It was probably done out of guilt.

Why else would the Hillary camp take such glee in ruining the career and reputation of a man who has done so much for so many poor people?



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:53 PM
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65. So very glad this gloating post made the greatest page. Aren't you guys proud???
So proud of using pastorgate against two good men....hurting the people of the congregation, confusing the children who are helped by the ministry.

I despise the Clintons now. They are nothing to me.
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