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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:25 PM
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Hillary GET OUT! love msm
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:32 PM
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1. Bullcrap
The MSM has been Clinton's biggest cheerleader.

In fact, had they been reporting the race in an honest way they would have been upfront about how little chance she has now to become the nominee, and it would have been over a month ago.

The MSM's support for her is really the only reason she's still in a race she cant realistically win.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:38 PM
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2. You obviously did not "comprehend" the article. eom
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:40 PM
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3. "When Clinton is simply doing what everyone else has always done, she's constantly attacked .."
Oh I understood it.

But I dont think you did.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:49 PM
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7. I love the smell of fear in the afternoon. eom
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:45 PM
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4. It Is Unprecedented
Never has the press so relentlessly and openly called for a candidate to drop out, or tried to get others to say it for them the way the MSM has in this election cycle.

In fact, until this year, it's been an axiom of American politics that candidates are allowed to pursue their runs until they decide to drop out -- which is usually, by the way, when they run out of money. Even Mike Huckabee kept running against John McCain in this campaign long after it was obvious he had no hope of winning the GOP nod.

Yet in one of the tightest races in modern history -- before the opponent has come close to clearly clinching the nomination, before a number of voters have been given the chance to have their voices heard, and when Clinton still has a chance, albeit a slim one, to win the prize, she is continually vilified for failing to see the light and bow out. What gives?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/post_28.html
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:16 PM
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22. Whats also unprecedented ..
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:16 PM by dbmk
..is the levels this candidate has gone to to tear down her opponent, from a position of having close to ZERO chance of winning.

If either the chances were better or the style different, the calls would not be there, like they weren't for Huckabee.

But to everyone but Hillarys supporters (Trust me, Hillary knows it too) the current exercises is pointless as far as determining the nominee goes.

The only thing thats really uncertain at this point is the answer to "Then, why?".
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:50 PM
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9. ...and what planet did you say you're from?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:51 PM
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12. bullcrap!!
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:53 PM
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13. read the damn piece
you couldn't possibly have read the article

Obama also cannot get to the magic number without unelected delegates

so what do we have to do?

wait, and let all the people vote

bill from ct
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:47 PM
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5. Hillary has been under an unprecedented attack and nobody
can deny it. I hope everyone reads every word of the article you linked. It's truthful, and it's really amazing what the MSM has done to her in this campaign.


"Clinton is being held to a different standard than virtually any other candidate in history," wrote Steven Stark in the Boston Phoenix. "When Clinton is simply doing what everyone else has always done, she's constantly attacked as an obsessed and crazed egomaniac, bent on self-aggrandizement at the expense of her party."


Keep Fighting, Hillary. Keep Fighting.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:49 PM
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6. She will, and that's why I support her.
She will never stop fighting her opressors.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:11 PM
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31. she is her own oppressor.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:50 PM
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8. Good post!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:55 PM
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15. Sadly, my former hero, KO, is leading the charge....

I certainly don't want her to "get out", I want her to fight too :hi:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:59 PM
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16. ...
KO has been shameful. He is my "Former" hero too.



:hi:
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:03 PM
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18. Funny
I can't seem to remember the last time a presidential nominee candidate said that the opposition candidiate was better suited for the job than his/her fellow party member.

Yeah, she is not doing anyting that hasn't been done before. She is pioneering taking it inside the party though.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:10 PM
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30. Please provide a link to exactly those words.
She didn't say them. She said that ONE aspect of McCain's qualifications were superior and provided the evidence to support the assertion.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:33 PM
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36. she simply spoke the truth
Obama has not had the experience of Hillary or McCain

that may not be important to some, but it's a fact

bill from ct
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:41 PM
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38. Lets see...
..who has passed the threshold to become CiC?

The one who predicted the course and result of a war before it began?

Or the ones more than willing to start one - without reading the available information?

I would say the "truth" is rather subjective in that light.

And even so, she raised the republican opposition up over the current democratic frontrunner. That has GOT to be new.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:01 PM
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39. let's face facts
he is an unknown

and once he walked into the US senate he voted with Hillary down the line

bill from ct
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:24 PM
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25. it's easy to deny it
the attack on her certainly is not any worse than it was on Gore.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:53 PM
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27. maybe not
did you think Gore got fair treatment

the coverage of Gore set new standards in crap from our press

they are never accountable, it's amazing they still have jobs

That little turd Shuster is still working after calling Hillary's daughter a whore

the hell with all of them

bill from ct
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:51 PM
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10. K&R

:kick:

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:51 PM
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11. I second that emotion. GET OUT!
And don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:54 PM
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14. and McCain should get out too
and let our lord and master lead us to the promise land

bill from ct
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:15 PM
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21. Nah, McWar can stay in until November 4th, then he can join his friend hillary.
:rofl:
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:54 PM
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28. that's mighty big of you
brown shirts for Obama

bill from ct
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:08 PM
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19. Not surprised -
of course you need bring up ass.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:39 PM
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26. What?!
LOL!!!
:rofl:
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:02 PM
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17. Good article and one of the few I've seen that defends her decision to continue her campaign.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:14 PM
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20. The media are unfair & unbalanced breaking news. erm
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:17 PM
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23. a couple of things wrong with his column
First, he only gives three examples. The NY Times Editorial Board, Maureen Dowd, and Mike Lupica (whoever that is). Two of the three examples are NOT journalists - they are opinion writers. Opinion writers give their opinions.

Secondly, I read the NY Times editorial and it is mostly about "quit the negativity, quit the superficiality" more than it is quit the race.

"Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

As far as the actions of journalists being unprecedented, there are a few other things that are unprecedented too.

1. The damage done by 8 years of Bush/Republican rule
2. The spouse of a two term incumbent running for the Presidency
3. a black who might win the nomination
4. a woman who might win the nomination

What looked like a slam dunk for Democrats three months ago, now after three months of attacks looks like a toss up.

Finally, I remember an editorial cartoon mocking Ted Kennedy, comparing him to a boxer who had lost but was determined to keep fighting. "I'll get him when he's talking to Cosell" Kennedy says. You might also notice that in the examples Boehlert gives of nominees who kept fighting - their party usually lost - Republicans in 1976, Democrats in 1980, Democrats in 1984, Democrats in 1988. The only exception to that seems to be 1992, when Perot was sort of a wild card.

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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:59 PM
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29. Ted the head Kennedy
Now there's a guy who knew when to get out, another Obama zombie and traitor to the voters of Mass.

somebody had to tell him the convention was over

this is nothing like that situation

bill from ct
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:12 PM
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32. so you read only the first few paragraphs? There are other examples throughout Boehlert's piece.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:15 PM
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33. Great post. And great point about candidates from these drawn-out contests usually LOSING.
*sigh*
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:36 PM
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37. true but
let's face it McCain is tied to Bush and there's nobody lower in public op than GW

except Chaney

and the economy sucks

dems will win

bill from ct
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:19 PM
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24. MSM eat shit and die! Love, Lilith
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:23 PM
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34. uggghhh. media matters?
they're nothing more than a pro-hillary rag anymore.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:30 PM
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35. you're 100% wrong

media matters devotes equal time defending Obama

go to the site

they are a pro dem site with many examples of media's love affair with McCain

bill from ct
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