OK Clinton supporters. So Obama SHOULDN'T have left his church?

[mudesi]

Make up your minds!

Please, just pick a stance and stick to it. Do you leave your church when your pastor/priest/reverend says idiotic things, or do you stay at your church and simply disagree with those things?

We know you can't do math, but can you at least have a logically consistent position on an issue?

[2rth2pwr]

1. It is unbelievable how he could treat such a close friend and the man that

wedded him to his wife. The man who, with love, baptized and welcomed his children to the Kingdom of the Lord, deserved to be treated much better.

[DJ13]

3. ........

[JVS]

8. great graphic

[PBS Poll-435]

4. I agree.

The reversal is shocking.

[2rth2pwr]

13. It's sad to see how Obama treats the people in his life, tossed away like a used kleenex.

[PBS Poll-435]

15. Just Sad

[democracy1st]

26. Hey you two lil Nation of Islam fellas need to go somewhere with that nonsense

[PBS Poll-435]

34. Excuse me?

What are talking about?

[Lucky 13]

5. So you're saying he should have stuck with him then?

Cause the other day I could have sworn all the Hillary supporters were demanding he distance himself. You guys are making me dizzy.

[mudesi]

6. Tell me about it! (nm)

[DJ13]

7. You guys are making me dizzy.

Spin, its all they have left........

[Lucky 13]

31. You didn't answer my question.

As usual.

[cliffordu]

43. Just a little bait, you know, from the master....

[Labors of Hercules]

17. OMFG... "Welcomed his children to the kingdom of the Lord?"

This horse shit is just plain disgusting. Obama speaks out against what Rev. Wright is saying and doing and you say he is treating him HOW exactly? Are you schizophrenic? I mean seriously, one second people are treating Wright like the antichrist and crucifying Obama for NOT excoriating him, and now they're talking as if Obama just gave Jesus the finger by doing exactly what he should do given Wright's recent actions.

Seriously, that is so completely psychologically fucked up. Please, seek help.

[2rth2pwr]

33. "..Obama just gave Jesus the finger.." Roflmao!!

[emilyg]

19. I feel sorry for Rev. Wright

an old man who'll carry this rejection to his grave. Sad.

[2rth2pwr]

37. The man's life's work flushed down the toilet for Obama's selfish desires.

Heartbreaking.







spelling edit*

[cliffordu]

42. lol

[NJmaverick]

2. but they need to be able to change their stance, when it suits their candidate

[olkaz]

21. Bingo.

I was listening to a RW crank on the radio yesterday, and he said, "Obama made things a LOT worse for himself by distancing himself like that."

Fact is, no matter what, they're going to attack Obama. They'll suggest a course of action, say it'd make things better, and if Obama does it, they'll attack him for it.

Oh well.

[Hoof Hearted]

9. Personally - I think every little thing he does is just BRILLIANT!

:rofl:

[Cant trust em]

12. Have you seen the video of Clinton on the O'Reilly show?

She says she learned something from Ronald Reagan. This is in reaction to your sigline.

[BOSSHOG]

10. Not a Clinton supporter here

and not delving into the Wright issue, but about five years ago I quit going to church because I was sick and tired of hearing the fucking garbage coming from the pulpit. Every week we were instructed to hate another segment of American Society. I left and haven't been back. Its a tough decision to stay or to leave and I would not criticize anyone for making either choice.

[LisaM]

11. Perhaps Obama should pick a stance and stick to it

Either the guy is a close personal friend and spiritual mentor, or he isn't. Either Obama knew he made incendiary sermons, or he didn't know. Either he sat in the church for 20 years or he didn't. I don't take the marriage/baptism part too much to heart. Presumably the Reverend Wright baptized and married thousands of people. It does not stand to reason that he would have close personal relationships with all of them. I have, however, seen pictures of Obama himself, microphone in hand, addressing the congregation of that church, and that is something that you wouldn't see every parishioner doing.

I have personally changed churches (not religions) based on the particular priest/archbishop in charge of the parish. This was not the only UCC church Obama could have attended, so it does seem that he made the choice to stay there for whatever reason - the connections he could make, a relationship with the minister, to do social work for the church, whatever - a reason that had to do with the particular church, not the underlying religious message, which he could have gotten somewhere else.

[PBS Poll-435]

16. EXACTLY.

Great common senses post.

[SeaLyons]

30. !!!!

There you go....

Well said.

[sandnsea]

14. Whatever lie works on whatever day

That's all the lot of them do anymore. I've never been so disgusted with people than with this batch of DU Clinton supporters.

[TheDudeAbides]

24. look in the mirror

[sandnsea]

25. lol, 29 posts

And what would you know about me with your hot 29 posts.

[TheDudeAbides]

32. you generalized about "us"....so, i gave you a bit of your own medicine

"That's all the lot of them do anymore."

look in the mirror and you'll see that "you" do the same.

[sandnsea]

35. Well, no, Obama supporters aren't lying

about Hillary.

[TheDudeAbides]

36. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I Left The Baptist Church In 1993

There were a lot of fires in CA that Spring/Summer...The visiting preacher said they were remedial judgements from God for electing Bill Clinton...

[TheDudeAbides]

20. Obama: the Unifier - He never should have joined the church

Cone, the founder of Black Liberation Theology wrote about BLT:
"If God is not for blacks and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

A great unifier such as "Obama" does not join such a church.

If you don't see this as a problem, then we can just stop here and agree to disagree.

20 years in this church tells us that the Obama "brand" does not match the real person.

[stillcool]

38. What would you know?

about the Trinity Church and it's role in the community? Or Obama's work in that community?

Chicago Magazine / January 1993 / Vote of Confidence
Vote of Confidence

In the final, climactic buildup to November's general election, with George Bush gaining ground on Bill Clinton in Illinois and the once-unstoppable campaign of senatorial candidate Carol Moseley Braun embroiled in allegations about her mother's Medicare liability, one of the most important local stories managed to go virtually unreported: The number of new voter registrations before the election hit an all-time high. And the majority of those new voters were black. More than 150,000 new African-American voters were added to the city's rolls. In fact, for the first time in Chicago's history-including the heyday of Harold Washington-voter registrations in the 19 predominantly black wards outnumbered those in the city's 19 predominantly white ethnic wards, 676,000 to 526,000.
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At the head of this effort was a little-known 31-year-old African-American lawyer, community organizer, and writer: Barack Obama. The son of a black Kenyan political activist and a white American anthropologist, Obama was born in Hawaii, received a degree in political science and English literature from Columbia University, and, in 1990, became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. In 1984, after Columbia but before Harvard, Obama moved to Chicago. "I came because of Harold Washington," he says. "I wanted to do community organizing, and I couldn't think of a better city than one as energized and hopeful as Chicago was then." He went to work for a South Side church-affiliated development group and "was heartened by the enthusiasm." But barely three years later, Washington died, and Obama, convinced he needed additional skills, enrolled at Harvard Law School. The African-American community he left, rent by political divisions and without a clear leader, went into a steep decline. By 1991, when Obama, law degree in hand, returned to Chicago to work on a book about race relations-having turned his back on the Supreme Court clerkship that is almost a given for the law review's top editor-black voter registration and turnout in the city were at their lowest points since record keeping began.
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The name Barack Obama surfaced. "I was asking around among community activists in Chicago and around the country, and they kept mentioning him," Newman says. Obama by then was working with church and community leaders on the West Side, and he was writing a book that the publisher Simon & Schuster had contracted for while he was editor of the law review. He was 30 years old.

When Newman called, Obama agreed to put his other work aside. "I'm still not quite sure why," Newman says. ''This was not glamorous, high-paying work. But I am certainly grateful. He did one hell of a job."

Within a few months, Obama, a tall, affable workaholic, had recruited staff and volunteers from black churches, community groups, and politicians. He helped train 700 deputy registrars, out of a total of 11,000 citywide. And he began a saturation media campaign with the help of black-owned Brainstorm Communications. (The company's president, Terri Gardner, is the sister of Gary Gardner, president of Soft Sheen Products, Inc., which donated thousands of dollars to Project Voters efforts.) The group's slogan-"It's a Power Thing"-was ubiquitous in African-American neighborhoods. Posters were put up. Black-oriented radio stations aired the group's ads and announced where people could go to register. Minority owners of McDonald's restaurants allowed registrars on site and donated paid radio time to Project Vote! Labor unions provided funding, as, in late fall, did the Clin¬ton/Gore campaign, whose national voter-registration drive was being directed by Chicago alderman Bobby Rush.
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As for Project Vote! itself, its operations in Chicago have officially closed down. Barack Obama has returned to work on his book, which he plans to complete this month. He also is teaching a class at the University of Chicago law school, and is an attorney at Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland. But he continues to consult with the church, community, and political groups involved in the monumental registration drive. "We won't let the momentum die," he says. "I'll take personal responsibility for that. We plan to hold politicians' feet to the flames in 1993, to remind them that we can produce a bloc of voters large enough that it cannot be ignored."
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Obama shrugs off the possibility of running for office. "Who knows?" he says. "But probably not immediately." He smiles. "Was that a sufficiently politic 'maybe'? My sincere answer is, I'll run if I feel I can accomplish more that way than agitating from the outside. I don't know if that's true right now. Let's wait and see what happens in 1993. If the politicians in place now at city and state levels respond to African-American voters' needs, we'll gladly work with and support them. If they don't, we'll work to replace them. That's the message I want Project Vote! to have sent."

[TheDudeAbides]

41. Huh? Wright insisted that we read Cone before discussing his church....so I did

Did you read any of Cone's books?

If not, then Wright would say that you cannot understand BLT.

[stillcool]

46. Wright insisted you read a book..

and you did? Good for you!

Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal.In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military.He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
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When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
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Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the
dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.
In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.
http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140

[TheDudeAbides]

50. I rest my case : most Obama voters people have no clue what BLT is n/t

[stillcool]

52. Black Liberation Theology...

so what? You have a problem with it?

[TheDudeAbides]

53. Obama supporters: Uninformed voters

My point is that the most confident Obama supporters here do not even know their candidate.
If you choose to not learn about Obama's mindset for the last 20 years, then you do not know him.
If you don't know him, then you cannot even guess how he will govern.

But, I am guessing that many of you do not care
because you are playing a fun new video game called "Obama!"

[stillcool]

54. Have you read Obama's books?

that he himself has written? Do you have any idea what Senator Obama believes, or are you only interested in Reverend Wright? Do you have a problem separating one black man from another? Have you read the four books that Reverend Wright has written, or are you only concerned with Cone? Do you have a problem with Black Liberation Theology, and if so, what is your problem? What other theological teachings do you have a problem with? Do you have a problem with the Trinity Church..all of it's pastors..and all 10,000 of it's members?

Do you have a problem with right wing fundamentalists? Or are you only concerned with this one black preacher? Do you have a problem with priests molesting little boys, or are you only concerned with this one black preacher? Do you have a problem with Hillary's Prayer Group, or are you only concerned with this one black preacher? Have you listened to Reverend Wright's Sermons, or are you only concerned with one part of the Reverends extensive studies of theological teachings?

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.


The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.
----------------------------
Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html

[TheDudeAbides]

57. I read both of his books

I am very concerned about the future of black people and racial unity in this country.

I do not believe a separatist movement such as BLT is positive move forward for anyone.
BLT's fixation on oppressors (all whites) and oppressed (all blacks) is going backwards.
It also does not represent reality; it is a warped perspective to feed into people's brains.
Teaching children to view the world in this way is not the road to progress for the next generation.
And there are many people of all races, religions, educational backgrounds and economic classes
who agree with me.

In fact, if you thought about it for just a minute, you might agree too.
Either learn this now, or learn it when Obama loses to McCain in the GE.

Rev Wright and BLT is just one of many many clues that when added together, give you a good idea of Obama's mindset of
that not only should not be our President (very biased opinion there on my part)....but also CANNOT win the
general election (fairly objective opinion). When the GOP is done with him, you will not even recognize Obama.
In fact, you may even regret your blind support of him.

Back to this specific issue; if racial unity is important to you, then Obama is not your man. We will one day have a black
President who will be the greatest unifier and leader the World has even seen. Barack Obama is not that man.

BTW, I'm having trouble following your line of thought with the cutting-n-pasting. Right now, we're talking
about Senator Obama as a candidate in the GE and as a unifier of people of all races, educational backgrounds, economic classes, etc.

[stillcool]

58. You have no idea who

Senator Obama is. Cutting and Pasting? I believe that is what is known as providing information from a source! Rather than blathering on about innuendo, character assassination, and attempting to fuse two black men into one. If you had indeed, read Senator Obama's books, you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. I find your meanderings slanderous.

[TheDudeAbides]

59. and you are missing the point

My "meanderings" are meant to point out that Obama provides a rich collection of materials
from which the GOP will create it's fleet of swiftboats.

Forget BLT and whether or not you agree that it's good for people to focus on the color of people's skin.
I suspect you and I disagree since you are calling me slanderous for my opinion that a
colorless society is the future....that is...unless we have leaders who believe otherwise.

[DemGa]

22. Well if you see this in the church bulletin...you get the hell out

But maybe thinking a Columbia University and Harvard Law graduate would notice such things is a bit of a stretch...:sarcasm:

"I must tell you that Israel was the closest ally
to the White Supremacists of South Africa. In
fact, South Africa allowed Israel to test its nuclear
weapons in the ocean off South Africa. The
Israelis were given a blank check: they could test
whenever they desired and did not even have to
ask permission. Both worked on an ethnic bomb
that kills Blacks and Arabs.

Arabs have always supported the dismantling
of this racist government. In 1962, African-Arab
Sudan granted Mandela a passport to travel with
to gain international support in his struggle to
free his people. Libya, among other Arab states,
provided Mandela and other African liberation
movements, political as well as material support.

As a result, Libya was designated by the White
House as a terrorist rogue state. What a great
honor!

[Jed Dilligan]

23. They must have a lot of intestinal fortitude.

If I tried to spin so hard I would :puke: my guts out.

In fact, I'm :puke:ing just watching them spin.

[ieoeja]

27. I don't believe Obama left his church.

Rev Wright is retired.

[Arkansas Granny]

28. Why should Clinton supporters be expected to have a logically consistent position

when Obama has not.

Here's how I see the situation. When Rev. Wrights words first came out, Obama said he had not heard those remarks. Later, he admitted that yes he had heard Rev. Wright make those remarks before, but he had not been in church on the days that the taped sermons were recorded. Later still, he says that if the Rev. had not retired when he did, he (Obama) would have left the church. During his speech on race he says that he could no more disown Wright than he could his own grandmother, but then days later he says he find Wright's remarks to be offensive and does just that. Is that a logically consistent position?

[Bluebear]

29. You really want to go so coarsely down that road? Wright was lauded by Obama fans here for days.

The moment Obama renounced him, the Obama contingent overwhelmingly felt - immediately - that Wright was "out of control, stabbing Obama in the back" etc. So I don't think picking a stance and sticking to it is the problem of the Clinton supporters here.

[stillcool]

39. Yup. No matter how you slice it...

the poor black bastard told more truth than I've heard in a long time from my television screen. Too bad he wasn't some poor white bastard. Maybe someone would have listened to him. Chickens coming home to roost...and all. God Damn America! The entire spectacle is pathetic.

Blowback
excerpted from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

p8
The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.
p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors that is, terrorists from one country attacking in another."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a CIA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
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Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
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"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowback. Empire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.

The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed
And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it has been throughout history."

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

[Leopolds Ghost]

40. When did Obama say he was leaving his church? Links?

[Secret_Society]

44. It is the feigned outrage Obama displayed

Only after Wright offended Obama personally by declaring that he made decisions based on political maneuvering. The was the only thing that changed that could have caused his new found outrage. Obama doesn't mind when the American people are offended, only himself. He should have left that church 20 years ago. But once again that was a political move since Trinity was a political powerhouse. I am happy he denounced Wright, I just don't buy the sudden outrage at comments he had to have known about for at least a month or two and probably twenty years.

[AZBlue]

45. Well, he should denounce him unless he denounces him and then he should support him - but that's not

right, you shouldn't support someone like that. You should denounce them. But, it's not nice to denounce your friends. Wait.....

Hey, Hillary won all the big states, can we talk about that?

[Yossariant]

47. Many people have some thing(s) in their background that their common sense will tell them precludes

them running for President of the United States.

Obama is too full of himself to know that he is such a person.

No person who has steeped himself and his kids in 20 years of Black Liberation Theology is electable.

The Reverend Wright told you why.

[BenDavid]

48. where obama runs into trouble with this wright mess is that he

sat on his ass for 16 years and heard the rants of this pastor spewing this vile venom about white america, brown america, Israel, and Jews AND OBAMA SAID NOTHING. obama could have made it known somewhere along this time period that some of this crap was wrong and made his feelings known to pastor wright. Hell, most everyone in that neighborhood knew what wright was preaching but it seems obama and his wife were the only two that didn't.....

obama is so full of lies about this mess, and the otehr day in the press conference obama got pissed because wright accused him of being a politician, but never disavowed any of his bigotry adn racists remarks.....oh but the whoremedia loved obama in the way he responded to wright.....bullshit....

[ccharles000]

49. I don't care one way or the other.

I stopped going to church when my mom told the pastures wife I was gay and she suggested an exorcism.

[DemVet]

51. Obama didn't throw this guy under the bus....

...he threw him under a 50 car freight train!

Good job, Obama. That's the way to get rid of this nut. Wright did nothing but hurt Obama.

[PseudoIntellect]

55. The media doesn't need logic, either.

It can't honestly discern the difference between what a spiritual mentor and a political mentor is.

[Deep13]

56. What the hell are you talking about? Of course he should have. nt