You've got to be kidding me!!? Now Obama is seeking counsel from Father Pfleger!??!

[2rth2pwr]

Does Obama really want to run on his judgment?


Chicagoans Who Know Both Men Tell The Story Of Betrayal; Controversy Continues On Despite Obama's Best Attempt To Cut It Off

CBS 2 Chief Correspondent Jay Levine reports Obama felt betrayed and Wright felt sand-bagged. Father Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina Church said he has been speaking to both men as the events of the past 24 hours unfolded.

He counseled Obama Tuesday morning, and while CBS 2 talked to him Tuesday evening, Rev. Wright called his cell phone.

"I don't think he had any intention to hurt Barack. He loves Barack," Pfleger said. "I think the pain and the moment took over."

That moment was in a place Pfleger called "a lion's den" – The National Press Club. http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/obama.jeremiah.wright.2.711811.html



Pfleger in action-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nEQgj0l3Sw&eurl

"The people who were close to him pleaded with him not to do it," said WVON radio host Roland Martin. "We knew what the questions were gonna be, but it really was the antics, the looks the dismissive tone, the strut. It was being flippant, some say being pompous and arrogant."

That appearance Monday was far from a pastor's comfort zone, like St. Sabina on the South Side, the site of Wright's first appearance after his words drove a wedge between him and Obama.

Fr. Pfleger says Wright's first instinct Monday was to defend his reputation.

"Sometimes you get caught up in the emotional response because you're hurt, because you're injured," Pfleger said.

Mayor Richard M. Daley called the current flap a dangerous distraction.

[ShortnFiery]

1. OMG! Can we get on with ISSUES ... STOP the Pastor-bating madness now! eom

[Mezzo]

63. This shows his judgement (or lack of)

[JoFerret]

105. My advice to Obama

Drop the god stuff. It's nothing but trouble.
Return to your roots

[ElsewheresDaughter]

71. "can we move forward and get on with the issues"- Michelle Obama....Obama team want nothing more

ssssssh stop talking truth ...stop shinning the light!!!!

[JoFerret]

72. They wish

.

[NYCGirl]

2. Pastorbating again, are you? NT

[JoFerret]

73. Obama as past master pastorbater

.

[Hoof Hearted]

99. Not according to his polls.

[HockeyMom]

3. Get religion OUT of politics

They are now all trying to out do it other in who is the most christian of them all.

[2rth2pwr]

5. Send that message to Obama.

[BootinUp]

8. bingo nt

[redqueen]

16. Um, Wright isn't trying to affect policy... Coe, on the other hand... (nt)

[2rth2pwr]

26. People keep saying that. What policies has Coe been pushing politicians to pass?

[redqueen]

27. The religious thing, which allowed pharmacists to refuse to dispense birth control, for one. (nt)

[2rth2pwr]

31. Wow, he's a monster.

[redqueen]

32. You asked for an example... why the drama?

Do you think it's a GOOD thing that pharmacists are allowed to refuse to do their jobs because they think it's their right to deny women birth control?

[2rth2pwr]

38. Every time there is a Wright thread, some Obama supporter brings up Coe in

super dramatic, Alex Jones style fashion. "Coe wants a world government based on God" "What about Coe? His "Fellowship" is very secretive and they plan things behind closed doors"

"Coe wants to inject his beliefs into our Guv't" "Hillary and Coe are plotting a religious takeover of the Executive branch"


Then when I ask what he is pushing I get a position that is not at all controversial in American politics, and is not surprising coming from a religious man.

The whisper campaign has nothing to it.

[redqueen]

39. Do you think it's not surprising for a Dem to support such "religious freedom"?

[2rth2pwr]

41. Did Hillary support that view? I don't remember it that way.

[redqueen]

42. Sorry to break it to you...

http://churchstate.org/article.php?id=42

This is one of the issues that The Family likes to take credit for influencing her vote on.

[2rth2pwr]

44. Most politicians are for religious freedom, I was referring to the issue

of pharmacists using religious belief as a reason to not sell the "morning after" pill that you brought up.

[redqueen]

45. That's the bill that makes it ok for pharmacists to refuse to fill certain prescriptions. (nt)

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/4/2/172926/9827

[Hoof Hearted]

100. How many Clinton children did this Coe baptize?

Obama wants me to get all "prayerfull" before making a decision about abortion. Hillary says it's my G-D business and nobody else's. I'll take Hillary.

[LSparkle]

19. He's TRYING ... HRC keeps throwing the swamp back at him ...

[HockeyMom]

22. I don't ever recall

the entire time Hillary was Senator in NY EVER seeing a pix of her going to church with a Bible under her arm, unlike when they were in the white house.

It's all for show now, again.

Repeat, lose it.

[LSparkle]

28. Didn't see much of Bill holding a Bible, period, until Monica ...

Then suddenly he was ALWAYS packing his "good book" for those photo-ops
going in and out of church ... All for show.

[PoliticalAmazon]

52. Bill's seeking guidance from Belinda Stronach. n/t

[True_Blue]

79. Obama supporters keep bringing up Monica from 10 yrs ago

but they want everyone to drop the Rev Wright issue that happened 2 days ago.

[Tellurian]

40. Yes, the Obamas are turning this into a neverending Soap Opera..

JMJ...I'm sick to death about them and their racist Pastor they sat in front of for 20 f-ing years..

Get the GD Hook and get them off the stage!

[JoFerret]

70. Obama as past master pastorbater

.

[Ian David]

4. I think Barack, Pfleger and Wright all play basketball with Ben Stiller. n/t

[hedgehog]

6. Can we all get together and Let it sink?

[sandnsea]

7. Money, it's a gas

Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.

[Saturday]

9. This is about Obama's judgement. nt

[sellitman]

10. You just don't understand how bad this makes you look do you?

[Saturday]

11. What a typical Obama supporter response, shame on you. nt

[sellitman]

56. Yadayadayada

Why must all you Hillary supporters wallow in the mud?

Just like your Leading Lady.

That is sad.

[democrattotheend]

12. I don't get it. Is there something special about this Pfleger guy?

This is the first I am hearing of him.

[2rth2pwr]

14. ..

In February 2003, Pfleger generated controversy by inviting Al Sharpton to speak at a mass during Black History Month celebrations. Cardinal George disapproved of Sharpton's appearance, due to Sharpton's support of abortion rights. Sharpton was also a presidential candidate at the time, and archdiocese officials were concerned that having a political candidate speak in church would cause them to lose their tax-exempt status. However, Cardinal George decided that trying to stop Sharpton from coming "would be a futile gesture and a waste of effort".<15>

In May 2007, Pfleger received criticism for his comments at a Rainbow/PUSH Coalition protest outside a suburban Chicago gun shop. According to the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation, the store, Chuck's Gun Shop, had sold over 2,000 weapons that were traced to crimes committed between 1996 and 2004. It had been a longtime target of protests by Pfleger and Jesse Jackson.<16> Addressing the owner of the shop, Pfleger announced, "We're going to find you and snuff you out. Like a rat you're going to hide. But like a rat, we're going to catch you and pull you out." Cardinal George rebuked Pfleger, saying, "Publicly delivering a threat against anyone's life betrays the civil order and is morally outrageous, especially if this threat came from a priest." Pfleger responded that he did not intend to use the word "snuff" as a slang term for "kill", but rather as a substitute for "pull", as he used later in his statement. <17>

Of his disagreements with Cardinal George, Pfleger once said, "I can only assume the Cardinal sees my style of ministry to be something he doesn't agree with. In that sense, he sees me as a thorn. That's what I'm left to feel like. I don't revel in that. In fact, it's very difficult. It's a very difficult feeling on the fringe, getting public reprimands, public criticisms. I don't enjoy that at all. my focus right now is to try to continue building up the church. A lot of what we do is out of the ordinary. That kind of puzzles me. It's not the church I grew up in. The church then was very involved in justice and civil rights issues."<18>


Min. Louis Farrakhan visits Father Michael Pfleger and St. Sabina
http://dallassouthblog.com/2007/05/30/min-louis-farrakhan-visits-father-michael-pfleger-and-st-sabina/
Last week the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan spoke at The Faith Community of St. Sabina, which is pastored by Father Michael Pfleger. The May 25 speech was Min. Farrakhan's first time speaking publicly since Mother's Day.

See Chicago Sun-Times coverage here.

See CBS 2 Chicago coverage with video here .

This was great to see because it brought two of my favorite people together. Minister Farrakhan who was on his death bed from cancer last year, reportedly spoke for an hour at St. Sabina and in a powerful way. Pfleger spent many hours with Min. Farrakhan during his illness.

Father Pfleger and Min. Farrakhan have shared an long friendship as they both have labored to uplift the African-American community in Chicago and throughout the country. Anyone who actually listens to the Minister as opposed to relying on sound bites knows that if his heart has any hatred, it's a hatred of evil and injustice. The Muslim minister and Catholic priest know that what matters most is doing God's work, especially for the least of these, my brethren.

See Dallas South coverage of Father Pleger's Dallas visit here .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VNZvmespok&feature=related

[ShaneGR]

21. I'm a little confused still, that guy seems fairly open minded, meeting with different people

I remember when he invited Sharpton to speak.

[2rth2pwr]

25. Some people won't get it. There are still lots of people here that agree with

Rev. Wright.

[Bluebear]

13. I never thought the Republican would be the least religious remaining candidate

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

24. You just don,t get it!

Obama doesn't get it
Hillary does
Get it right
Hillary for president



Look ah, on the subject of the country falling back backwords ,a early quote from Hillary ,the fear of everything tail spinning.
Well to barrow a quote from the late Johnney Carson show ,here ss sssssss Obama.

The Kennedy,s have always been masters of political deception,this is not a low ball shot at them ,they are for the people, but ,they are high stakes players and play to win by all means.And that means they lie. All politicans lie. Writers lie too but that's ok because of a thing called literary license. The license is why lying politicans write books,it seem,s to the politican it grants them a clear conscience.But it cannot and it will not.Only a writer can lie in order to tell the truth! And Obama is no writer!

Now on a different post I clearly made the connection that Obama is not like J.F.K. J.F.K. was a good lier and therefore a good writer! Only a writer with a accute sense of humor can possibly understand that!

But J.F.K. had sense enough to keep religion out of his politics.In fact he was billed in the bill of goods as not being very much on religion. And yet he had lunch with the Arch Bishop! How about it though, when you know you don,t lie!Have a little lunch, sip some tea! Do a little fact finding,writers do tend to become curious! Oh yes address the crowd ,see what they will catch on to!All those people out there ,indeed, life on the other side of the wall!

Indeed, reclusive the life of a writer can be!Get out there, see what life is like on the other side!

Obama is more like some of Kerry and some of Nixon influence. Not at all like J.F.K.

And Bad bad Leroy Brown, he wasn,t all bad, believe it or not he had a profound respect for those who bring words down to form statements that are completely original,he even feared some,although never would he admitt it.At times the badd,est dude on the block got to beliving that the world is full of phoneys, you know,it's all been said and done befor! It can seem so sometimes!When it's all about duplication ,it can only lead to distruction really.

Who do you think really brought it on?

[Bluebear]

29. You're not making a lick of sense.

[2rth2pwr]

33. Are you mixing the vicodin with your tequila?

[Bluebear]

36. ...

:spray:

Sorry, I just could not make heads nor tails out of any of that.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

48. Well,since you put it that way

would it have been better if Hillary had dropped out of the race and than after that the Wright fiasco ,fallowed by the convention and than a democratic draft?Along the lines of Obama being electable , many democrates concluded even befor Iowa that a draft may become necessary or will be.This means it was just a matter of time befor Obama's truth would just-oh,shall I say come out?
It,s not about a secret vote now.
Opinions about that have been flying round the world for some time now.The power of the internet.
Although there may have been plenty of inner circle talk about it.But it's no secret.

[2rth2pwr]

55. The lunchtime changes the questioning tour in a buyer.

Next to her learned bog toes the line the described vinyl. Across race pauses the virus. The breeze trips! An urge succeeds beside the worst dust. Race rushs toward politics behind a

calculus.

Politics cramps race underneath the lowering duck. Politics achieves race on top of a practicable signal. How will politics welcome an accused? Why won't guns trigger politics?

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

64. Hay I like that!

Arizona

Still desert flower wispers in the winds shifting sands echoes timeless paths.

Ruinning a race across the desert is a race against time.
If you don,t beat the heat ,you die.
If you do,you ran a useless race for no good reason.
You accomplished nothing.

Make your vote count for something
Vote against McCain

deskjet 08!

[Raine1967]

15. OMG! Obama Wore BOXERS!~

This is really getting stupid.

TRULY stupid.

What are people going to do when he actually talks to people who are not our American Alies? Like say, Hamas?

IF we are going to go after one of OUR OWN for this, we really deserve what we get.

The Rev. Wright issue is over. Let it die, and not be risen again.

[2rth2pwr]

17. ...

[jenmito]

46. RW SMEAR CARTOON!

:eyes:

[madrchsod]

49. you noticed too.....

i guess it goes to show.........

[jenmito]

51. Yup...

that HAD to come from a RW site (or an extreme Hillary site).

[madrchsod]

60. can`t read the sig on the cartoon...

[jenmito]

65. Here ya go:

Barack-"Race is an issue that this nation cannot afford to ignore right now," Michelle-"They don't want to hear about this division. They want to know, what are we going to do to move beyond these issues."

[2rth2pwr]

66. “You know, this conversation doesn’t help my kids.”

MEREDITH VIEIRA: But do you personally feel that the Reverend Wright…

MICHELLE OBAMA: You know what I think Meredith? I think we gotta move forward. You know, this conversation doesn’t help my kids. You know, it doesn’t help kids out there who are looking for us to make decisions and choices about how we’re going to better fund education.



Did taking her kids to listen to Rev Wright spout damaging conspiracy rants every Sunday help her kids?

[jenmito]

68. You must be kidding...

If Wright DID "spout damaging conspiracy rants every Sunday" you'd think the Clintons wouldn't have invited him to the WH at least twice. AND, you can bet Hillary's camp or the Repubs. would've found proof that he was in church during one of those sermons. Duh.

[2rth2pwr]

76. The WhiteHouse invited around 100 leading spiritual leaders for that breakfast meeting

they did not screen every sermon in every church, they were just looking for the high profile ministers in their respective communities.

[jenmito]

81. Really? So you are saying they'd let a known racist preacher in to repent to over the Lewinsky

scandal and other times? Afterall, if Wright preached bigotry and anti-Americanism every Sunday, they'd HAVE to know about it, right?

[2rth2pwr]

82. Apparently they didn't.

[jenmito]

83. That's because he's NOT a pastor who has preached hate and bigotry for the past 20 years. Duh.

And he wouldn't have such a large church attendance with so many regulars who say such positive things about him. If Obama had been "in the pews" during any of his "anti-American" sermons, it would've been proven by now. A RW website claimed they had proof that he WAS in attendance during one of those sermons, and they were proven wrong. And don't think Hillary's people didn't try to find the same thing to try to catch him in a "lie."

[2rth2pwr]

84. I agree it's really sad what Obama did to the man who , on his knees with Barack and Michelle,

prayed with them the day he announced his run for President. This man who has a lifetime of work ministering to the needy, the man who led Obama to the Kingdom of

the Lord, the man who, with tender care, married Barack and Michelle, baptized their 2 young children and blessed the loving home where they will raise them.

This man who on the verge of retirement from a life devoted to the work of God, has his reputation and church trashed in front of the whole world for the selfish

desires of Obama. Truly tragic, almost Shakespearean.

[jenmito]

85. Thanks for conceding the point that there is NO basis for the claim that Obama heard ANY

anti-American/racist sermons. :hi:

[2rth2pwr]

86. Whatever I can do to help keep your worldview intact I will try to do.

you seem a little fragile.

[jenmito]

87. It has nothing to do with ME and everything to do with YOU being unable to prove Obama was ever

in church during those controversial comments! :rofl:

[2rth2pwr]

88. It comes down to whether Obama is an idiot or a liar.

If he didn't know the views of his pastor, views that he is not shy about sharing in any situation, he's pretty stupid.

If he did know, he's a liar. Which is it?

[jenmito]

89. AGAIN-NOBODY can prove Obama was in the pews during ANY of those controversial sermons.

So you're either an idiot or a liar. Which is it?

[2rth2pwr]

90. 20 years around this guy and his views come as a surprise? If true that disqualifies

him from his current position in the Senate.

[jenmito]

91. You sound like a broken record, continuing to repeat the same UNPROVEN claim about

Wright's "views." Put up or shut up. NOBODY has been able to prove Obama was there during ANY of those controversial sermons. DUH.

[2rth2pwr]

92. I am not claiming in any way that he was there for any of the sermons that have been shown.

That doesn't change anything.

[jenmito]

93. There's no proof he was there for ANY really controversial sermons. It would've come out if there

was. Wright is NOT a racist. He's for equality, his last sermon being, "Different Not Deficient." He's for gay marriage. If he was extreme in ANY way, he wouldn't be a popular pastor and the Clintons wouldn't have had him in the WH.

[2rth2pwr]

94. And Obama wouldn't have tossed him overboard.

[jenmito]

95. He didn't toss him overboard 'til he put on that show Monday. Even OTHER members

of Wright's congregation said THEY didn't recognize him that day.

[2rth2pwr]

96. Question- What did he say Monday that was different from what he has said many times before?

[jenmito]

101. He said Farrakhan was a great voice of the 20th and 2st centuries, had

an attitude when asked EVERY SINGLE question, said Obama just said what he said to get elected, and just pretty much repeated everything Obama ALREADY denounced.

[2rth2pwr]

102. Jenmito, you are stubborn I'll give you that. Gotta go, Thanks.

[jenmito]

104. Facts are stubborn things. OK-thanks!

:hi:

[Hoof Hearted]

103. Why, oh WHY is EVERYTHING with them ALWAYS about THEM?

Your kids? I'm supposed to worry about YOUR kids Michelle? Don't think so. Somehow I'm pretty sure they're going to be O.K.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Vote for an atheist for President

and all the pastor problems that Obama, Hillary, and the creepy McCain have will go away.

[Petrushka]

20. Thank you for the cbs2chicago link. Interesting! (eom)

[madrchsod]

50. try this link where the father puts fox news in its place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0wvQMqSzTM&feature=related
YouTube - fox news owned

his parish is in the poorest neighborhood in chicago. the catholic church has tried to get rid of him but they can`t get the job done because his flock stands by him. he`s controversial because he speaks up for those who has no voice....

not everything is black or white in any issue...there are many shades of grey

[Petrushka]

80. Slo-o-ow dialup here -- coupled with olde computer, software, etc. makes video out of the question.

:cry:

Thanks anyway.

[Writer]

23. I believe that Obama felt betrayed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5740776

[ProSense]

30. Here's a good article about Wright and the Republican

Will black voters stay home if Obama loses nomination?

They know an ambush when they see one. Hillary is trying to win by alienating black voters. The Republicans are all to happy to help Hillary to alienate the black vote because once that happens Republicans win.

Good luck with that.

Obama will be the nominee, and he will get the vote of white Democrats and Independents.

[2rth2pwr]

34. NC will tell us if he will get the white vote.

[ProSense]

37. The white vote is not all it's cracked up to be. It's all spin BS

Poll: Hillary gets the white vote in a landslide. Obama still leads and does better against McCain

Time to alert the superdelegates: The spin is BS and Hillary is still losing and apparently white voters can't help her.

[madrchsod]

54. so if obama wins in north carolina

none of the hillary white voters are going to vote for obama in the general election?

so does this mean hillary voters are either racist or closet republicans?

these polls are so confusing when everything is black and white..........

[jonestonesusa]

35. More guilt by association?

There is no effort whatsoever for the Hillary campaign to win votes based on her issue positions - there's no pretense of that anymore. I am no longer surprised.

[LVjinx]

75. They've been debating the issues for about 8 months now.

What issue do you perceive them as not having discussed?

[Elidor]

43. Oh how cute, 2rth2pwr has a new pet bugaboo

I admire your ability to keep yourself amused for hours this way. And it probably keeps you out of people's hair in the real world, too. A win-win situation for everyone!

[madrchsod]

47. so there`s nothing left of the horse but bones to beat....

to bad you know nothing of father pfleger...but i`m sure you could care less about him and his work....

[BenDavid]

53. obama sat on his ass for 16 years while this pastor spewed this

bigotry and racism out to the adults as well as children. How many children have been affected and believe the white person is the devil? How many young people believe that america caused blacks to get AIDS? How many young people believe that a Jew is of no account? How many children believe that america caused 9 11? This is something to think about.

Yes all that was going on and barack and michelle sat on their asses in that church for 16 years or however long michelle has been a member and did not stand up and say this was WRONG. obama should be ashamed of himself for allowing his daughters to hear this filth but I assume it was okay they did from the parents viewpoint.

obama should excuse himself from this campaign now because he is not worthy of any nomination.

[jenmito]

57. Wow. I wonder why the Clintons would have this racist hate-monger to the WH! Do they agree

with his hateful, racist, anti-American views?

[madrchsod]

59. what about the peacher in new york city hillary earmarked

800,000 plus to his ministry? the hillary folks are silent on that...

[jenmito]

62. That's a whole OTHER can of worms!

And the MEDIA'S silent on it, too.

[madrchsod]

58. congrats-

another well written rant about how awful rev wright,barack,and michelle are. destroyers of children! haters of the jewish faith! evil angry black racists!




:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[hulka38]

61. The slaughter continues in Iraq. Hey - what's the latest news in People magazine this week?

[2rth2pwr]

67. IronMan opens this weekend!

[JoFerret]

69. What's with the constant need to consult

with pastors and preachers and priests/
Gives me the creeps.
Talk about Obama as past master pastorbater.

[ruby slippers]

74. it doesn't say that Obama sought his counsel. One could

simply send him an email or call him and he could say he is "counseling" him. I won't belive it until I hear it from Obama...and, it might be another "set up" by the Clinton camp or Wright, who knows......

[merh]

77. and your point is what exactly?

so Obama spoke to a priest that is friends with Wright.

big deal - he has spoken with and highly of hillary, the man gives folks the benefit of the doubt

:shrug:

[ellacott]

97. It's no big deal

But they are certainly trying to make this a big deal. It's ironic that many here have no respect for any religion yet they are holding Obama to this standard. People do not have the authority to tell him which religious person to talk to.

[merh]

106. it is idiotic and such double standards

the primary is just insane.

[crimsonblue]

78. At least nobody thinks he's a muslim anymore....

I doubt 3/4 of the general public will ever hear Pfleger's name... I don't think it will be an issue. Plus, why is venting and expressing frustration to a pastor, any pastor, a bad thing? Obama was obviously very hurt by Wright's actions on Monday... do you expect him to just up and forget Wright and move on like nothing happened?

[Hoof Hearted]

98. Is this Pfleger guy just as bad as Wright or something?

Does Obama just not know any pastors that aren't controversial?