GOP TACTIC ALERT: Hillary's new attack mailer...flat out LIES!!! Rove would be proud.

[mckeown1128]

Shame on you Hillary Clinton.





http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Yet_more_negative_mail_in_Indiana.html#comments



Barrack Obama said, "it didn't make sense for us to cap interest rates."


I found this quote a bit suspicious considering I remember that debate argument between the two on this topic. The one were Obama said that 30% was too high a limit.(he wanted a lower limit like say 25 ) I remember how Hillary misrepresented it during the debate to make it sound like Obama meant that he would rather something ridiculous like 40% or 50%. The usual suspects here of course parroted that mis-interpretation. Well, anyway... I thought this quote was suspicious... so I looked it up.

So, here all of what Obama said:

I thought 30 percent potentially was too high of a ceiling. So we had had no hearings on that bill. It had not gone through the Banking Committee. I don't know about a lot of folks, if they've got a credit card, are paying 29 percent. So under this provision, that would've been fine. There had been no discussion about how we were going to structure this and this was something that had not gone through the committee and we hadn't talked about. It didn't make sense for us to cap interest rates.

http://senate.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Government_Reform.htm

So, there you see. He was against a 30% cap because it wasn't enough... not that many people are paying over 30%. There are plenty of people in the mid to upper 20's... which is bad. He wanted a lower ceiling. So yes.. he technically said that "it didn't make sense for us to cap interest rates," but the reason is left out.

ah ah ah... it gets worse... The flip side as you can see she claims he voted against protecting families from predatory interest rates of more than 30%. Which it is true he voted against it... but not because he was trying to "vote against the families". He obviously DOES want to protect from interest rates... he wants to protect MORE of these families. He didn't want to vote against a credit card industry watered down bill that wouldn't apply to barely ANYONE.



And before any of you Clinton supporters come in here with that NAFTA "boon" BS... There is a HUGE difference between the too. Obama directly quoted a magazine(which was fuzzy about who he was quoting) BUT Obama was correctly describing Hillary's position. Here she has a quote right...but is twisting his position on the issue.

[Kittycat]

1. She's a habitual liar. We shouldn't expect anything less. More of the Same.

Hillary McSame

[ej510]

4. This is why Hillary cannot be on the ticket because she will do anything and let

me repeat anything to win the presidency. Let me once again put emphasis on "Anything" to win! And I mean anything.

[Shae]

7. When you say anything . . .

do you mean ANYTHING?

She won't be on the ticket. He'd have to be crazy, and he's not.

:hi:

[hayu_lol]

When I was growing up, people went to jail for charging ...

25% to 30% interest. The laws of the time called it loan sharking.

Glad to hear that Obama feels that 25% is just fine.

He certainly does work awfully hard to avoid controversy doesn't he?

Go Hillary!

[fascisthunter]

8. You sure You are Voting for Hillary?

[mckeown1128]

9. Wait you have a problem with Obama having it at 25...

but you say "GO HIllary" for her having it at 30...


off to ignore you go.

[democrattotheend]

20. To be fair

He did vote against the cap. Yes, it was because he wanted a lower cap, but he could have compromised and voted for the 30 percent cap because it was better than nothing. Her mailer is a little deceptive, but he did make a judgment call on that that not everyone would agree with.

[LVjinx]

23. Like remember when she sent that Harry & Louise flyer out lying about Obama's health care plan?

That was really evil of her.

Oh wait.

[Lucky 13]

2. She makes me ill.

Seriously. Physically ILL.
:puke:

[quantass]

3. She's consistent that is for sure...Remind me again how she became a democrat?

[Kittycat]

18. I believe it started when she was fired for lying.

[sandnsea]

5. And again, "Morally Bankrupt"

I just don't see how good and decent people can keep supporting her.

[Diane R]

6. She is so desperately pathetic. She'll sell her soul, and probably her first born, to be president.

[Armstead]

10. If this is deliberate deception, it is inexcusable

[myrna minx]

11. This is the kind of crap Norm Coleman pulled during Wellstone's last campaign.

:puke:

[rwheeler31]

12. I'm convinced Bill and his team are making her do this crap.

[futureliveshere]

13. Are you even surprised!!! I am not!!!

Good catch though.. K&R

[Greyskye]

14. Way to go Hillary!!!

Now that's how to run a negative campaign! :puke:

[susankh4]

15. Sorry the truth hurts so much.

Even John Edwards called Barack out on this.

It was another "boneheaded" vote. No matter why he voted that way... fact is he voted against capping interest rates.

[Kaylee]

16. Did you hear my scream through the "internets"...

I have moved past hate now.....there are no words for how I feel about this woman.

:puke:

[msmcghee]

17. I don't get you folks.

Here's a case where he said some specific words and voted a specific vote on an issue. Hillary calls him on it and now it's spin time - "well, he really didn't mean it that way", etc, etc.

On the Iraq War Vote - which he was not even there for - it specifically was presented to congress as a way to give Bush more power in forcing SH to accept more stringent inspections. The bill was worded that way as well. and yet a huge part of the attack on HRC has been that she's a war monger, Repub lite, etc. It's very probable that Obama would have voted the same way if he was there - which makes that attack a little disingenuous - but I'd say within bounds.

Instead of calling Hillary dirty names and whining - let's see what your candidate is going to do - how he hits back. If he responds like you have then he'll just lose the respect of more potential voters. This is hardball, you know.

[Taxmyth]

19. A credit card interest cap was on the table.

He voted against it. Describe it any way you like.

[1776Forever]

21. THEN SHE VOTED FOR THE BANKRUPTCY BILL - WHAT A HYPOCRITE!

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/21/596682.aspx

(snip)

1999-2000: Clinton Received Almost $210K From Finance/Credit Companies, Credit Unions And Commercial Banks During Her Senate Campaign. In Clinton’s 1999-2000 Senate campaign she received $13,600 from finance and credit companies, $5,475 from credit unions and $191,260 from commercial banks.

Banks, Credit Card Companies And Credit Unions Led The Fight To Pass The Bankruptcy Bill. Banks, credit card companies and credit unions led the drive to rewrite the nation’s bankruptcy laws and pass the 2001 bankruptcy bill.
THEN SHE VOTED FOR THE BANKRUPTCY BILL

MARCH 15, 2001: Clinton Voted For Senate Bankruptcy Reform Act Of 2001, Virtually The Same Bill She Was Against Years Earlier. In 2001, Clinton and Edwards voted for the most sweeping overhaul of bankruptcy laws in 20 years, to prevent upper-income creditors who have the means of paying some or all of their debts from unjustly filing for bankruptcy, and to enact reforms to protect consumers from unfair credit practices. The legislation applies a new standard for determining whether people filing for bankruptcy should be forced to repay their debts under a court-approved reorganization plan rather than having them dissolved. If a debtor were found to have sufficient income to repay at least 25 percent of the debt over five years, a reorganization plan generally would be required. The vote was on final Senate passage, as amended, of the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2001.

Clinton Called For Passage Of The Bill. Clinton said, “Bankruptcy reform is important. I grew up with a father who worked hard to avoid having debts. In recent weeks, I have heard form many small credit unions throughout New York, hard working small lenders whose entire membership suffers when the credit union is faced with covering bankruptcy losses. <…> Reform is needed. The right kind of reform is necessary. We're on our way toward that goal, and I hope we can achieve final passage of a good bankruptcy reform bill this year.”

EVEN THOUGH CONSUMER GROUPS CRITICIZED IT
Consumer Federation Of America Head/Former Senator Howard Metzenbaum, On The Bankruptcy Bill Said “The Cries, Claims And Concerns Of Vulnerable Americans Who Have Suffered A Financial Emergency Have Been Drowned Out By The Political Might Of The Credit Card Industry.” “I’ve never seen a bill that was so one-sided,” said former senator Howard M. Metzenbaum, head of the Consumer Federation of America, a nonprofit consumer advocacy group. “The cries, claims and concerns of vulnerable Americans who have suffered a financial emergency have been drowned out by the political might of the credit card industry.”

Consumer Federation Of America And Public Citizen Opposed And Lobbied Against The Bankruptcy Bill And Said It Could Do More Harm To Indebted Americans Than Limit Fraud And Abuse. “Consumer groups, including the Consumer Federation of America and Public Citizen, are lobbying against the bill. They contend Congress should crack down on the financial companies, which they criticize for handing out credit cards and credit lines indiscriminately. Additionally, they contend the legislation is too far-reaching and could ultimately do more harm to indebted Americans than limit fraud and abuse.” http://www.opensecrets.org/news/bankruptcy/> >

Banking, Credit Card Companies Lobbied For Bill, Consumer Groups And Unions Opposed Reform. The banking, credit card and retail credit industries have spent millions of dollars in campaign contributions and lobbying activities on behalf of it over the past three years. Consumer groups and unions have been aggressive in opposing it, contending that the changes in bankruptcy law will take away an important means of relief for families hit by job losses. Personal bankruptcies in the United States reached a record 1.4 million in 1998, up more than 300 percent since 1980. The total declined to about 1.3 million in 1999 and 1.2 million last year.

2001 & 2005 BANKRUPTCY BILLS WERE THE SAME
According To Several Media Sources, the 2000, 2001 & 2005 Bankruptcy Bills Were “Almost The Same Measure” And “Virtually The Same Bill.” The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette said the 2005 bankruptcy bill was “almost the same measure” as the bankruptcy bill that President Bill Clinton refused to sign in 2000 and Mother Jones said that the 2000 bankruptcy bill was “virtually the same bill” as the 2001 bankruptcy bill that Hillary Clinton voted for. http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/07/campaign_contributions_credit_card_companies-2.html> >

Los Angeles Times: All Previous Bankruptcy Bills Were Similar To The 2005 Bankruptcy Bill. “Even after their victories Tuesday, some Republicans noted that similar legislation had passed the Senate on three previous occasions but had failed to become law.”

[Triana]

22. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the SAME SHIT we've put up with for

the past EIGHT years.

This is NOT change. It's REPUBLICAN.

[MattP]

24. Just slam her on it already please and end this

Why doesn't he slam her honesty in some ads and a press conference, it's already her biggest weakness. I wish he would just attack and get this crap over with.

[mckeown1128]

25. kick.nt