Will black voters stay home if Obama loses nomination?

[democracy1st]

Will black voters stay home if Obama loses nomination?
By David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Newspapers


INDIANAPOLIS — Many black voters are making it very clear: They're concerned that Barack Obama is going to be denied the Democratic presidential nomination that they see as rightfully his, and if that happens, a lot of them may stay home in November.

"It would hurt me not to vote," said Charles Clark, an Indianapolis retiree. He's thinking about leaving the presidential box on his ballot blank this fall if Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' nominee.

"There was a heck of a push made so blacks could vote. I know that," he said. "But it would also be very unfair if they pushed Barack Obama to the side."

Michelle Moore, an Indianapolis housewife, is less gentle: "Hillary Clinton would not even still be in the race if Obama was a white man," she said.

Her tough tone was common this week in this city's black community. Why, people asked, is the Illinois senator's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright being judged so harshly? Why won't Democratic Party officials acknowledge that Obama's in the lead and unite around him?

African-Americans have been the Democratic Party's most reliable bloc, giving about 90 percent of their votes to former Vice President Al Gore and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in the last two presidential elections.

In a close election this year, an African-American exodus from the voting booth could be costly to Democrats, particularly in the South, where blacks are a large proportion of the electorate.



Todd Shaw, a University of South Carolina political science professor, agreed, citing a groundswell of African-American disenchantment with both Bill and Hillary Clinton. They're particularly annoyed by Bill Clinton's performance during the South Carolina primary and by Clinton supporter James Carville's description of New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Latino, as "Judas" for endorsing Obama over Hillary Clinton.

"The comment plays very badly with African-Americans and Latinos," Shaw said. "They remind them of 'Look what we've done for you; you should stay in line.' That doesn't sit well with voters of color. They view it as Northern machine politics or Old South boss politics."

Hunter Bacot, an associate professor of political science at Elon University in North Carolina, saw another piece of political history haunting black Obama backers.

"There's a sentiment among blacks that they've been taken for granted by the Democratic Party," Bacot said. "If Obama loses, it's as though their candidate's victory was overturned."





Several African-Americans in Indiana, which holds a crucial Democratic primary on Tuesday, said they could be seeing yet another effort by the white establishment to crush any African-American who's earned a powerful position.

"Here we go again," said Eddie Pryor, an Indianapolis retiree.

"It's like there's a ceiling for us," added Bangen Finley, an Indianapolis machinist.

Feelings are similar elsewhere. Former Rep. Floyd Flake, D-N.Y., an African Methodist Episcopal church pastor and president of a private black college in Ohio, said he constantly hears the angst of African-American and young voters about Obama's fortunes.

"If he doesn't get it, there will be a response," Flake said. "The young people will not be showing up to vote for Hillary Clinton if she gets it. I think given the turnout coming from young people and African-Americans (for Obama), I don't think they will go to the polls if she is the candidate."

But Jerry Mondesire, the president of the Philadelphia chapter of the NAACP and publisher of The Philadelphia Sunday Sun, an African-American weekly newspaper, said it's foolish for any Democrat to refuse to vote if his or her candidate isn't the nominee.

"It's a stupid way for Obama supporters to think and a stupid way for Hillary Clinton supporters to think," said Mondesire, a pledged Clinton delegate. "It's a selfish and destructive way to think. I can't think of what the Supreme Court would look like if McCain were elected. Roe v. Wade could be diminished, and Brown v. Board of Education could be impacted."

Some African-American voters in Indiana acknowledge that they might come around even if Clinton wins.

"I am offended by Hillary Clinton. What's going on now is unwarranted," said Shirley Graham, an Indianapolis auto company worker. But she will vote Democratic in the fall. "I am a Christian. I can't allow myself to have lingering bitterness," she said.

Others are undecided.

"They're criticizing Obama in ways that are not really relevant," said Bill Davis, a Carmel electrical engineer. "I will make a determination about voting in November at that time."

Michelle Moore, however, has made up her mind: Clinton is out.

"Senator Obama is just not being treated fairly," she insisted. "You would think everything that Reverend Wright says is coming right from Obama's mouth."

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[rwheeler31]

1. yes

[monmouth]

Ya know what sort of insults me as a white person? The perception

that most of Obama's followers are African-Americans, and the question as to whether they will stay home if he's not nominated (which in and of itself is craziness, but I digress..). I can assure anyone who cares, this white woman will stay home, raise hell, picket, march, yell, write, etc.

Barack is not the candidate for just African-Americans. He is the candidate for ALL Americans.

[Pisces]

7. I am hearing you loud and clear, another non black not voting for Hillary under

any circumstances.

[Triana]

70. Add this whitey to the "not voting for Hillary" list.

That woman has LOST my vote in the GE. I'll either stay home or write in Obama.

[Skidmore]

8. This white woman....

and her black husband will join you.

[oviedodem]

9. Well the media always push the bloc vote. I am black and as I have said

many times that I was a Hillary supporter at first. Now, if Obama is ahead in pop vote and delegates and the supers put Hillary in, I will write in Barack's name if I can.

Yes you are right that he transcends the race factor but the right wing and the media ALWAYS put a black candidate or hispanic candidate with their color "base" so this is no surprise.

[wanpete]

20. if you notice, they even generally tend to put black surrogates on for Barack. they subtly, and not

so subtly, continue to push the agenda that he is the black candidate with appeal mainly to black voters. I really hate the corporate media and so long for real, true journalism that reports facts for grown ups and those that can think without being spoon-fed propaganda and lies.

[LakeSamish706]

14. Good for you and I agree totally... (White male here). n/t

[wanpete]

17. You go girl! You are so right, he is the American candidate. He only became the AA candidate when

the media and his opponents decided to divide and conquer through race and class baiting.

[ClayZ]

18. Ditto!

K and R

[PATRICK]

28. Earlier

that bloc was divided and mostly for Hillary in a mixture of doubt, loyalty and realism that has all changed with the strength coming from all other blocs save those closely dominated by Hillary. The loyalty thing for one was given up by the Hillary campaign, dividing the old nostalgia, Bill myth people along racial and sexist lines rather than let things happen naturally- giving Obama the united nomination. Instead of divide and conquer or fair competition, the Clinton campaign lunged for a "winning" strategy that made entire blocs hostile entities, something the black community never sought, was always wary of and has been rewarded by no one for their patience, wisdom and commitment.

I hope, after these years of patience and grim stoicism have shown how far that gets them with the DLC crowd they might next be enlisted in the purging of destructive centrists who have crossed the line against the majority of the American people. They have done little except tolerate and mollify big labor, minorities, progressives for what they receive in return in the epic battle to please 2% swing voters. Any sign of outrageous crimes- or worse competition and complaints- from these "outdated lefty" groups sparks virulent attacks exactly reminiscent of the current GOP. Irritated once more, Clinton has risen to the forefront of those DLC snipers to once and for all expose the lame and GOP imitative doom of the general philosophy and methodology.

The worst thing though is that Obama still tends to be DLC in his own way. Would that he would learn the searing lessons and never let this thought diseased group back into prominence. It would really be better to reach out to Repugs who do not threaten to corrupt our party from within than to sweep in a host of Clintonite Quislings still espousing DLC "ideals".

Clinton created this dilemma. Phrasing the question about the "reaction" has forced it to make it all about the victims of DLC indifference and exploitation.

[woolldog]

59. Yup Hillary was ahead with blacks

Watch this old Red State Update on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4egsqit9Az8

[nancyr]

39. How true.

I'm neither black nor elitist, and I'm thinking I will not be able to vote for Hilary. For the first time in my life I may not bother this year. In my eyes she is just a Bush/McCain clone wearing the wrong party label. It sickens me.

[stillcool]

41. I'm with you...

but I will gladly define myself as black, if it's the only way I can voice my support for Obama!

[AlinPA]

42. Agree! Thanks. nt

[backscatter712]

48. I'm a white male, and for me, it's also Obama or bust.

Hillary's Rovian lies, smears and dirty tricks have forever made her an enemy of me.

She will not get my vote this November, under any circumstances. She will not get my vote, and she will not get a dime from me of campaign money.

I'll write-in for Obama if his name isn't printed on the ballot this November. If the Democratic Party is so broken that they'd have a lying cheat like Hillary as the nominee, then the party's lost.

Hillary would be just as bad as McCain, especially in terms of warmongering, selling our jobs to the lowest bidder with NAFTA, and just about everything else. She's in it solely for herself.

[smalll]

77. Or rather, Obama AND Bust. Can He Win It? No He Can't!

"It" being the vote in November: you know, the one that REALLY counts.

[goclark]

91. Once again they want to paint everyone with the AA brush

The beauty of the Obama campaign is that WE are not about RACE.

When you attend an Obama rally it looks like a rainbow of colors and ages.

Sen. Obama does not do anything for African Americans that he doesn't do for ALL his supporters.
And, we don't ask him for favors.
We are just so proud of him that he has run a brilliant campaign!

I'm Fired Up just like you are and I am African American.

I have asked at least 30 of my friends if they would vote for HC -"NO!" is the response

Sometimes HELL NO! and S--- No! and No way!

We will vote down the ticket for Democrats of worth but we will not be voting for Republican Elephants dressed up as a Democratic Donkey.

No way, no vote, no time, not a dime for THEM.

[Cha]

93. I didn't get that sense..it was just

what the AA's would do if Obama gets the nom taken away from..never mind what we Whites are gonna do.

Riot in the streets?

[kenny blankenship]

2. If it's stolen from Obama, they won't be the only ones re-evaluating their relationship to the Party

I think we should leave ominous threats to the suicidal Hillaryjugend , but superdelegates ought to be aware that many people in the Democratic Party base will be reconsidering their affiliation should they GIFT the nomination to the loser and shoo the winner of the primaries off the stage.

I don't think it will happen - I'm 99.9% certain it won't happen. But lest people begin to think "Hey maybe we can get away with rigging this thing" it should be understood that the Party people look to to uphold fairness in America cannot turn itself into the political equivalent of a professional wrestling league with rigged matches, without much of its base marching away in disgust and anger.

[democrattotheend]

3. I hope not

But I could hardly blame them if they did.

[ecstatic]

4. Do you have any idea how many black professionals are being denied promotions

and advancement in the workplace due to race? You better believe this is going to hit home! It's unclear whether or not Obama can win the GE, but Hillary definitely will NOT win the GE.

[AZBlue]

5. As others stated before me, there will be a lot of folks of ALL colors upset if this happens.

I will strongly reconsider my place in this party and even in this country.

[Coexist]

11. as will I. Hillary has turned herself and her campaign into something

I cannot be proud of.

[AZBlue]

23. Indeed! Nor can I be a part of it.

In any way, shape or form.

[Skidmore]

38. Yes, indeed.

If Hillary becomes the face of the party using these RW tactics of bigotry, then the party will have left me.

[Coexist]

6. I read a funny bit from the comments section of the Huffington Post

I don't remember exactly where, that said, "if they steal this from Barack, the AA community will get together to mess with both the Democrats and the Republicans by all voting for Ron Paul"

That made me laugh so hard. Can you imagine that. A way to screw with them all.

[ClayZ]

61. K and R

[BklynChick]

10. my husband who is black will be sitting it out, as will countless black people I know.

[TexasObserver]

12. Yes, they will. And it will cost us the House and Senate.

[mmonk]

13. Enough will I'm afraid.

If this primary had unfolded differently and Hillary won without the tactics, they would be there for her if she got the nomination. Under these circumstances, don't expect the numbers to be there.

[Windy]

22. You nailed it. Its her tactics. Swiftboating a fellow democrat. That is why I will stay home

or write in Barack if he doesn't get the nom..and I'm a white middle-aged female!

[Cha]

98. Right..it would be a whole different

ball game but then that wouldn't have been hilary, would it have?

hilary and company got caught snoozing and Obama came in first in Iowa..then hilary started dipping her fangs in the snake venom.

[wanpete]

15. in a word...yes. Am I saying that all black voters will? No. but the impact, in my opinion,

would be catastrophic, not because Hillary is white, but because black voters will feel disenfranchised, cheated, and generally taken for granted.

[depakid]

16. Not if he endorses (or runs as VP on) a compromise ticket.

headed up by someone like, say Al Gore.

[wanpete]

36. endorsing a compromise ticket won't do it. this goes to the deep-rooted issue of fairness.

if, after winning the majority of the primaries and caucuses, it is taken away, no amount of endorsing of a compromise ticket will work. people will feel hopeless and marginalized.

[depakid]

43. If he can't get to 2025, then a compromise is necessary

and I think he can communicate that effectively.

Tell you something else, if you want to see hopeless and marginalized, then just wait until the day after another Democratic loss in November. That will be a much sorrier sight- especially for those who have no way out of the states and who realize that nothing positive will even begin to happen until the second half of 2013 (at the earliest).

[EffieBlack]

85. Why would he do that?

[Indenturedebtor]

19. My Half Chinese Half White Wife of 118 lbs

Has promised to set a few cars on fire... does that count?

[ampad]

54. LOL, Please don't do that

I understand where ya coming from though. This black woman and her white husband will sit this one out as well.

[thewiseguy]

56. I do not want to even imagine that scenario

[Rosa Luxemburg]

21. probably about 80%

[Barack_America]

24. YES! It's not even a matter of debate.

African American and youth turnout will be abysmal.

You can likely kiss Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Missouri (at least!) goodbye.

[BenDavid]

25. Nope! Not all......38% -43% will vote HRC

[Jed Dilligan]

29. That would mean a disastrous defeat in the GE. nt

[Mooney]

33. Then she is fucked.

And so are we.

[quakerboy]

84. Um. thats as of now

And its bad enough to throw this election

Give her a few more months of race baiting and undercutting the whole democratic party, and see where that number sits?

[jwirr]

26. Some will, there is a feeling that minorities have been abandoned

by government except when they want the voters to come out. Those that feel this way came out for Obama only because it looks like it could be different this time around. He brings people hope. I am writing this from an area that is minority but not black - we feel the same.

It comes down to this: if your situation is hopeless or near hopeless and suddenly there is someone who makes you believe you are going to be very upset when that someone disappears. There are areas in this country where they have not recovered from the great depression - these are the people I am talking about. Places where job rates have almost always been in double digits.

[Indenturedebtor]

30. There's that and

The liberal community and 18-30 somethings are SOLIDLY behind Obama. We grew up with people who walked and talked like HRC running this country into the toilet. Finally someone comes along that is honest and isn't in bed with the oil companies and you want to outright steal the election from him? Riots in the streets I'm telling you. Riots.

[kentuck]

27. Some may stay home on Tuesday?

Because we cannot assume that every black was on Obama's side after the Reverend's comments? Many may stay home in protest, as their way of showing support for Rev Wright?

[Jed Dilligan]

31. No question about it. Black turnout will be dismal, and we will lose

because of it. We depend on black turnout for all the elections we win.

[crankychatter]

32. Obama cannot lose fairly unless SD's overturn WHICH they CAN do.....THEN

Then the answer is largely, yes

We may be at war by then and that will modify the equation

No one is more patriotic than African Americans

so, barring war... yes.

I should add... AAs are not so "starry eyed" about their leaders as White people

No Black leader escapes rigorous scrutiny from the AA community and if they screw up>>>>

uh oh

they're gonna hear about it

[Taxmyth]

34. I'm gonna take my ball and go home

The Party will survive. Every year and especially, every 4 years, somebody gets pissed off that "their" candidate didn't win and decides to stay home. It could of made a difference in 2000 and 2004, made a difference to a point where the elections couldn't have been "stolen". If Senator Obama does not win the nomination it is because people have been doing this for years and do this for a living knew that he could not win the general election and that another candidate stood a better chance. Cest la vie.

One thing I haven't seen a hue and cry for lately is multiple other political Parties. It wasn't all that long ago that there was a Conservative Party candidate and a Liberal Party candidate as well as a few other large organizations supporting someone. Never seemed to work out for the Communist Party candidate or the Right To Life candidate.

[Danger Mouse]

44. Okay. Let's see HRC win without the support of young and black voters...

in addition to all of the other Obama supporters she'll have alienated.
Hint: she'll be screwed.
No Democrat can win the presidency without the black vote.

[Taxmyth]

64. Racist bullshit

You want me to tell you how no Democratic Party candidate can win the Presidency without the "White vote"?

What happened to the 3000 or so Clinton supporters on this message board?

Hint: He cannot win the general election.

[Danger Mouse]

106. I never said that. But again, explain to me how Clinton will win the GE

without the black vote and the youth vote.

[crankychatter]

79. did ignore suggest white ppl won't vote for a black person again?

without coming right out and saying it?

[Danger Mouse]

107. no, he just implied that Clinton doesn't NEED the black vote to win the GE.

:hi:

[laugle]

82. Young people will

vote for one reason.......DRAFT....

[FrenchieCat]

35. Those whom I discuss things with are even madder than I am......

if that's possible. Let's just say that "totally pissed" are the adjective and active verb most frequently used in the sentences in where the name Clinton and Obama are mentioned.

[reflection]

37. I would be shocked if it were otherwise.

A chance to run an electrifying candidate from its most loyal supporting group - from a political standpoint, I can't even believe the party is struggling with this decision.

[Indenturedebtor]

46. The party isn't

The party is solidly enough behind Obama. He's won... she just can't admit it and neither can most of her supporters.

[stillcool]

40. The way things are going...

will there be a "Democratic Party"? What will it consist of?

[EmilyAnne]

45. If you are talking about black DEMOCRATS, then, of course not.

Give them some credit. I think its bordering on racist to assume that all black democrats act as a single body. They've been watching the Republicans drag this country into hell along with every other color of people. They will not put another Republican in the White House. Let's give Democrats of all ethnicities some credit, please.

[thewiseguy]

53. You are being too naive. If the superdelegates hand this race to Hillary, there will be riots.

And the blacks will not come out and vote in November. Yea... the black guy got rubbed of presidency by the democratic party. :eyes:

[EffieBlack]

86. "Riots?" "The blacks?"

[woolldog]

74. well, my black ass is staying home if she's the nominee....

[EmilyAnne]

100. Well, that's your right and my mexican ass would have to get drunk and hold my nose to vote for

Hillary...but I would.

Still, I don't think we have to worry about it. Obama is going to get the nomination.

[nancyr]

47. I refuse to even consider voting for Hilary.

[Nia Zuri]

49. I think there would be an organized movement to withhold our vote as a

symbol of protest. We cannot continue to be taken for granted any longer. If ever a time was ripe for a third party, this would be it. Black & progressive united.

[EffieBlack]

90. Something I've seen few discuss . . .

If Obama is unfairly denied the nomination, McCain would be very smart to actively campaign for black votes.

And black voters would be very smart to elicit some distinct concessions from the Republicans in return for swinging votes their way. This could be the beginning of some realignments. Republicans have ignored black voters because they haven't needed them need them and don't expect to get their votes. But if the black vote goes into play, that could change everything.

This is one of the reasons I think the Super Delegates will not undercut Obama - they know that this could set the stage for major political realignment.

[cliffordu]

95. I'm there.

[NorthCarolina]

50. Yes, but the point is moot because he'll be the nominee n/t

[mainer]

51. If they did, I wouldn't blame them.

I'm not black, and I'm a female. I'd consider staying home as well. Because if Hillary gets elected, what the hell is the difference between her and McCain?

If Hillary gets elected, it will be the end of the Democratic party. The youth vote will be lost. The African American vote will be lost. All you'll have left are the disillusioned Republicans.

[thewiseguy]

52. Of course they will. That could spell the end for the democratic party too.

[SoCalDem]

They will vote..but they will write in OBAMA

say hello President Mccain

[LWolf]

55. Why is it,

when a leftist liberal says he may stay home or vote 3rd party because of the centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" dem nominee, the response is always about party loyalty, getting in line, compromising, and, whatever happens, voting for the DEMOCRAT. No matter how bad a proposition that Democrat is.

If black voters stay home, though, it's okay? It's understandable? It's somehow justified?

I smell a double standard from miles away here.

[thewiseguy]

57. I am not black and I will stay home

I am not voting for a candidate who has run a republican style campaign and disgusted me over and over again. Plus there is no way for Obama to lose this race unless superdelegates went Hillary's way.

[LWolf]

58. I don't plan to vote for either of them,

and I said so repeatedly when they first announced their candidacies.

Regardless of who wins, the whole primary process was corrupt from the beginning, and guaranteed to force a centrist/corporatist down my throat.

I'm not swallowing.

Are my principles any less valuable than yours? Does my vote count less because I'm not black?

If it's legitimate for black voters, or for Obama supporters to stay home, then it's legitimate for me to stay home or vote independent or 3rd party.

Or there is a big double standard.

Which is it?

[kmsarvis]

68. deleted

[GoldieAZ49]

60. whatever

stupid is as stupid does

Obama doesn't have a victory to be taken away, chanting that he does doesn't make it true.

[dana_b]

62. what a glib remark.

"whatever". So now the AA voters are stupid? Why, because they won't support your candidate who voted for the war? Who said that she'd obliterate another country? Who in actuality is more similar to McCain than you'd like to admit? Who may not be able to understand them like the other candidate does? whatever indeed.

[cliffordu]

97. LOL whatta sense of humor you have, Goldie!!

What a kidder!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


She's TOAST. Tough shit.

[bigdarryl]

63. If Cythia Mckinney gets the green party nomination african americans can vote for her..

[ClayZ]

65. kick

[Quixote1818]

66. Most certainly a lot will. It could do major damage to the Democratic party

for years to come.

[Honeycombe8]

67. I'd guess that it depends on whether they think Clinton won fairly, or whether she stole it. nt

[Triana]

69. I'd say it's very likely. SO will a lot of Obama supporters

African Americans have been USED by the Democratic Party for years - yet they have been very loyal supporters. Not like they have much choice, I guess.

And they are largely IGNORED - except every four years the Democrats pander for their votes - and largely get them.

NOW they finally have HOPE that there is someone who might end up in the White House who WON'T IGNORE them for four years until he wants their votes again and they are supporting the man in DROVES.

AND he is winning in pledged delegates and in the popular vote (especially with African Americans).

SO - if this man is yanked out from under them unfairly (and at this point that is the ONLY way it CAN be done) then I'd say YES they will stay home and they will be VERY UNLIKELY to want to support Democrats again as much as they have in the past. If this is (in addition to ignoring them for 4 years at a time until their votes are wanted) how they're going to be treated by this party - essentially, like THEIR VOTES AREN'T IMPORTANT - why should they NOT stay home?

Heck *I* might stay home myself if that happens and I'm NOT black.

IT'S BAD ENOUGH that AA's are considered important ONLY every four years - BUT if they are NOW considered UNIMPORTANT EVEN THEN, TOO - yep, they'll stay home, I'd guess.

SO WILL I.

[VotesForWomen]

71. don't know; maybe women and whites should threaten to boycott O if Hillary doesn't get the nom. do

do you people even care how asinine and childish you sound?

[NOLALady]

72. Who knows?

:shrug:

I'm undecided.

[FlyingSquirrel]

73. If she chose Obama as RM, no... fortunately we will not need to find out.

'cause Hillary will not be on the ticket.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

75. then they will reap what they sow

[wileedog]

78. Indeed, Hillary's morally bankrupt, dishonest and pandering campaign

will reap what it sows.

Suffer through McCain asshats, its all on your candidates complete lack of integrity. Hell, misguided as he is, he has shown 100x more.

[NOLALady]

80. Well,

Blacks have been reaping since they arrived here.:shrug:

[butterfly77]

81. We will all reap ...

what Hillary has sewn. I will vote but I will write in Obama...

[laugle]

83. I'm beginning to think that

his supporters are going to be his doom!

Nobody likes a candidate with a sense of entitlement, especially since the race is not over till everyone votes, and Florida/Michigan are reconciled.....

Intimidation is a bad strategy........

[Carrieyazel]

76. It looks like the black electorate will get screwed this fall, but not by this.

Obama is the likely nominee. Hillary has a long road to hoe.

But look at the closest battleground states: Iowa, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Colorado, New Mexico. Pennsylvania. Except for PA, all of these states have very small black populations. (And PA's is not large).

Black voting strength will be diluted in states like NC, SC, GA, AL, and LA, (where white voters will overwhelmingly back McCain) and their votes in CA, MD, DE are not crucial because these states are always voting solid Dem, and are never battlegrounds.

In other words, the swing states are not where many black voters are. And these are the states that will be the difference makers in choosing our next President. These half a dozen mostly small states is where this election is going to be fought. The electoral college system is maddening as hell.

[Lord Helmet]

87. yes, so will I

[HuffleClaw]

88. how cute!

a ready-made excuse for why mccain will *win!




*'win' as in steal yet another election

[WillyT]

89. This White One Will...

:shrug:

[Cha]

92. Yeah, you're stupid, jerry mondesire..

"It's a stupid way for Obama supporters to think and a stupid way for Hillary Clinton supporters to think," said Mondesire, a pledged Clinton delegate. "It's a selfish and destructive way to think. I can't think of what the Supreme Court would look like if McCain were elected. Roe v. Wade could be diminished, and Brown v. Board of Education could be impacted."

hilary's a goddamn lying, cheating, whining, extortionist, neocon.

[butterfly77]

94. Thank you for saying it so I didn't have to but..

I think you left out a few adjectives...

[hokies4ever]

96. Writing in Ron Paul

at least he will end the Iraq War instead of starting WWIII with Iran, Syria, and Russia on the 'oil' side and the USA, Israel, and hopefully Britain (we were just kidding about those Iraqi WMDs, but please follow us again) on the 'anti-terroism' side. OPEC would sanction the USA with its oil and we'll long for the days when gas was just $4 per gallon and even the staunchest environmentalists will be buying stock in new ANWAR drilling companies.

[True_Blue]

99. How soon we forget

Hillary supporters were criticized by Obama supporters for not supporting the Demorat nominee when things were looking good for Obama. Now you can finally understand how we felt.

[Usrename]

101. You're missing the point.

If Obama wins the elections and is still denied the nomination it will be a huge deal among his supporters.

That isn't the same thing as if he lost to Hillary in the contests. And it isn't the same thing as her losing all those elections.

[barack the house]

102. Just look at this way if white was a minority with their vote taken in 04& 2000. would they like it

done in the Democratic party. A party that this minority supported more than any other group too.

[Breeze54]

103. I certainly hope not.

They aren't "just voting for a candidate". This election is bigger than just one candidate.

No president has absolute power. They will need the Senate and Congress helping them.

Therefore, to not vote and allow McCain to win would be shooting themselves in the foot, imho.

We need a Democratic president to sign bills that are passed.

We don't have that right now, so I hope all will reconsider the idea of not voting.

Many poor in this country are barely hanging on as it is. Don't turn your backs on them.

Swallow your pride and vote. If I could do it in 2004, so can you.

[Kahuna]

104. Some will. Some won't. All blacks don't think the same way. nt

[Butch350]

105. Yeah What Ever

"But Jerry Mondesire, the president of the Philadelphia chapter of the NAACP and publisher of The Philadelphia Sunday Sun, an African-American weekly newspaper, said it's foolish for any Democrat to refuse to vote if his or her candidate isn't the nominee".

My response,

If Obama gets jipped - I vote McCain - after that I will never vote DEMOCRATIC again. Hillary and Bill's kitchen sink campiagn against Barack and the presses unfair coverage of the rev wright crap was a little bit excessive for my taste.

Don't let politcal speculators fool you - there will be no coming around if Hillary is nominated - just watch and see.