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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:25 PM
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30 cents a day for three months. This is supposed to help me?
If I were fortunate enough to have health insurance, this might help me buy one prescription for mediation. One prescription once--no refills. Then what? In the mean time, what would be the consequences to our infrastructure, how many people would lose their jobs due to the lack of funding to roads & infrastructure?

No thanks, I'm looking for a real leader. Someone who will work for real solutions. Hillary, quit pissing on me and telling me it's raining. Only an elitist would dare propose that with the dire economic situation that most of us are surviving in that 30 cents a day for three months would be something that would help those of us whose work keeps you fat and happy would be beneficial to US.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:30 PM
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1. it's a joke, isn't it?
the sad thing is there are a lot of stupid people out there who will fall for it.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:40 PM
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8. Unfortunately there is a large portion of the electorate who does not pay attention
This is why pandering works--or worked. There is a new sheriff in town and he's says, "enough is enough".

Talk about testicular fortitude (Hillary is trying to claim she possesses it), it takes some serious political chutzpah to take a stand against pandering when economic times are so tough. I can't say enough how much I respect and admire Barack Obama.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:11 PM
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20. Those same people who don't pay attention are the ones responsible for
Dubya's 8 years in the White House.

How depressing.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:42 PM
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33. i always have the tv tuned to MSNBC.
a few times i've had people come to do work in the house and i ask them "do you follow politics"? most times i get a "no". so how do they decide who to vote for? :shrug:
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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:52 PM
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87. Absolutely. It's scary. That's how Bush won twice.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:27 PM
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70. It's 30-cents a day if you only burn two gallons of gasoline per day,
18 cents per gallon is nothing to some folks but a lot to others who must travel long distances every day. You would bitch if gasoline spiked 18 cents in one day wouldn't you? The tax holiday would be especially good for truckers because the tax on diesel fuel is higher. Hillary does not pretend that this would solve the gasoline problem but it sets a tone. Since Obama is all about setting a tone, positivity, and all that crap, seems to me he would not put it in such negative light. Lot's of folks thought the tax rebate was another political stunt but he was for that, and it definitely takes more out of the fed coffers. Obama's ideas about alternative fuels, lifting tax benes for the oil companies is old hat and more of the same Washington talk that started during the Carter administration and carried through to now. He is not offering anything "new" or "visionary" in this area and you folks and the media should stop pretending that it is new and different. In fact, there isn't one thing "new" or different from the old Washington that Obama has offered. It's all in the media hype. HRC has been saying many of the same things that Obama is saying now for a long time. People just didn't like to hear it because it was coming from Hillary. The only thing different that Obama brings is his stance on the Iraq war BEFORE is was in the Senate and had to really vote on it. Now his stance is no different than Clintons.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:30 PM
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2. Clinton is turning us in to a Sally Struthers Commercial.
For the price of a cup of coffee (in 1974), you could help a poor family save 1/2 tank of gas for an entire summer - while our bridges fall apart, and the Oil Companies increase the price, because of increased demand.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:31 PM
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4. You beat me
I was typing that as you posted :rofl:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:31 PM
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3. You could
Save a child with that money...Sally Struthers was just on.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:32 PM
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5. To someone living at or near the poverty level, that's a loaf of bread or a quart of milk for the
kids.

It might be simply a brulee-filled bear claw with that morning cinnamon cafe` at the smart little coffee bar if you're well off, but there ARE people out there who live on the edge. A lot of them live VERY far from work, because they can't afford the luxury of living close in. A lot of them drive cheapass, shitty, inefficient gas guzzlers, because they can't AFFORD a Prius.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:34 PM
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6. and that's the sad thing.
the poor will vote for hillary or McCain because that few bucks does mean a lot to them.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:47 PM
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9. If the Clinton's were so worried about those of us on the edge
...Bill wouldn't have bought hook, line, and stinker into the republican's wet dream-scheme of destroying the social safety net that was put in place by FDR. You don't remember welfare "reform"?

I do, and a whole lot of families suffered because of it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:58 PM
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14. I lived good under Bill Clinton. Not so good under Bush. So forgive me if I don't take your point.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:08 PM
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16. Bush deserves much of the blame for the economy, but there's a trail........
of crumbs that lead to the feet of Bill Clinton. Maybe you heard of the bill he signed call the North American Free Trade Agreement? Hillary has even proclaimed herself the Senator of Punjab, India.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:11 PM
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19. Oh, and you can follow that trail back to fucking Nixon, too.
Here's how it works--the President gets the CREDIT and the BLAME.

Life was good under Bill. He gets the credit.

That Senator of Punjab thing? That was a snarky remark by Obama, and it pissed off the American-southwest Asian community no end. He had to APOLOGIZE for it.

Do your homework before you make wildass comments like that.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:17 PM
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23. Take your own advice and do your own homework before accusing someon else........
of being ignorant.

Sen. Clinton (D-Punjab) Joked That She Was Senator From The Punjab Region In India. “At the
fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000
for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, ‘'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab
and win easily,’ after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo1.pdf
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:57 PM
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56. Here, read and learn. That memo was from OBAMA's people
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/19/news/obama.php
Obama apologizes over 'Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)' memo

:hi:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:13 PM
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63. Yes the memo came from Obama's camp
"The D-Punjab reference apparently refers to a joke Senator Clinton made last year, at a fund-raiser hosted by New York-based hotelier and top Democratic fund-raiser Sant Singh Chatwal. 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' she had said on that occasion."

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/15clinton.htm


Hillary said 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' well before Obama's campaign came out with that memo.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:17 PM
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65. Yeah, he apologized for NO reason at all. Sure. NT
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:19 PM
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66. 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily," said Hillary Clinton. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:20 PM
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67. Obama APOLOGIZES. nt
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:22 PM
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69. His apology doesn't mean she never said it in the first place
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:35 PM by tammywammy
'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily," said Hillary Clinton.


or that she said this

"“I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York” said Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and the former first lady of the United States of America."

http://www.sikhcouncilusa.org/article.aspx?article=evtdinner
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:36 PM
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72. Your team refuses to acknowledge the existence of context. I can't help you with that blind spot.
Nor do I care to.

You have a nice day.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:38 PM
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73. No blind spot
She said it.

"“I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York” said Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and the former first lady of the United States of America."

http://www.sikhcouncilusa.org/article.aspx?article=evtdinner
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. Jesus, fight over stupid stuff often?
It really makes you sound elitist.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:38 PM
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30. Senator of Punjab
Uh - the statement you just said is false. You ignore everything else and defend Hillary like there's no tomorrow. Hillary CALLED herself "Senator of Punjab".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4115508&mesg_id=4115781

Goodbye, and good luck to your near future.

Hawkeye-X
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:58 PM
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57. Your attention is invited to post fifty six. NT
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
37. How quickly they forget.
I guess they need a little more republican rule to appreciate the Clinton years.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:26 PM
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51. Well hey, *RichGirl*
A lot of people's experiences are not your own--like the the single mothers who were thrown off of the economic safety net through welfare "reform" from being the sole parent who at least could nurture their children to the sole parent who now goes to work, has absolutely no more money, benefits, nor way to get out from their situation, but whose children are now going unattended--fodder for predators of all stripes, and no longer in the position of being there to parent/nurture the child.

You sound like an elitist, RichGirl.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:28 PM
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52. How elitist of you
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:03 PM
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59. Yeah, I could afford to fill my tank, for twelve bucks. Real elitist.
Enabled me to afford that jazzy Maxwell House instead of the cheapo supermarket brand....

:eyes:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 PM
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77. Are you telling me that you drive a moped?
Good on you if you do, but that is not the average person in need of real relief. Single mothers will not be buying mopeds for transportation because they need to carry their children from point to point.


Twelve dollars to fill your tank? Oh please, dispense your elitist wisdom on us idiot poor-folk as to how we could fill our tanks for twelve bucks.

Yeah, I hear that providing energy is so much cheaper if a person has 20-100 thousand dollars to invest in renewable energy. Gee, elitist, I can't imagine why all of us are not jumping on board--we must just be lazy or selfish,stupid, or something. It can't possibly be that we are struggling just to fucking survive.


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:00 AM
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91. Nope. In 1993, when Clinton was prez, I could put twelve bucks in my car and fill it. NT
You know, your posts really sound a bit mentally retarded with your continued fixation on the word "elitist." That might not be your intention, but that is how you are coming across--like an easily distracted individual with OCD.

I know you think it's clever, replying in a baiting fashion and repetitively using that word, but what it actually is, is trolling.

It doesn't perturb, though. It just makes you appear, well, immature and moronic.

You aren't reading what is written, or if you are, it's too complex for you to understand, you are not contributing to the conversation, and you are creating a record here that doesn't cast you in a very good light.

Have a nice day.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:55 PM
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44. Fuck that, I live on the edge, it's a joke.
Band aid on a cancer, lipstick on a pig, as useful as tits on a bull etc. etc. etc.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:50 PM
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54. Thank you, shadow
A lot of us live on the edge, and it is infuriating for these elitists to tell us how we should be grateful for the freaking crumbs that they flick off of their banquet tables for us as if we are dogs searching for scraps.

I am beyond angry at this shit.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:07 PM
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61. Well, be a little more pleasant when you pick up those fares, maybe your tips will improve.
Is that how you greet your passengers? No wonder you live on the edge. I wouldn't give your surly ass a good tip either, and I tip well--I remember doing some heavy lifting in restaurants in my youth, and I generally commiserate with the service sector of the economy.

Maybe you should get into a gig that requires a little less customer interaction.

:eyes:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. Fuck you, I can't work anymore because of my ailing health jerk.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:17 PM
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64. Well, I know people trying to raise a family of four on nineteen fucking grand a year in a high cost
area. I have a friend dying, slowly, agonizingly, of Lou Gerhig's disease with no fucking health insurance.

So right backatcha with the personal insults, there, sport.

Everyone has troubles. To some people, that lousy little thirty cents a day makes a difference between milk in the cereal for the kids, or WATER. Stop trying to insist that YOUR view is the only valid one, because it isn't.

Get over yourself. You aren't the fucking Oracle, though you like to pretend you are.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. Lol, you're such a child, making stupid references to my writing?
Don't flatter yourself, you aren't important enough to me to bruise my ego.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #68
74. I'll just leave that remark of yours where it is. FWIW, I don't claim to be important.
You do have a nice day.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
81. Enjoy the potholes.
lol
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
90. I saw on tv
that suspending the gas tax for the summer would put 300,000 people out of construction work. Not worth it. Bad idea.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:59 AM
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98. Not if they stick it to the oil and gas companies and get them to foot the bill. NT
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:23 AM
Response to Reply #98
102. What is with you people living in WHAT IF world?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 04:25 AM by JTFrog
Get them to foot the fucking bill then give the tax break, cuz it sure in the hell ain't gonna happen the other way around.

It's the Republican way to blunder forward with a plan full of holes pretending that legislatures and big corporations will let us make them pay for it later.

WTF is wrong with you people. Honestly.

Are you with us or against us? The only fucking US is Hillary/McCain/Republicans.

Suck it up and change parties already. Hillary has.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:54 AM
Response to Reply #102
104. How offensive "you people" are. You can't debate, so you toss insults!
"Suck it up and change parties already." What a toddler-quality remark.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:19 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. LOL!
Pot. Kettle. Black.

You've provided zero debate. At least I mention a few facts.

How do you debate someone living in a "What If" world? The debate goes something like this:

Q: What If we can't get the oil companies to pay for it later?
A: As it stands we presently have no way to recover those funds.

BUT What If we can?

Q: What If we get the oil companies to pay for it later?
A: As it stands we presently have no way to recover those funds.

BUT there is some slim chance in hell that those greedy republicans and oil lobbyists and corporations will let us take a chunk of those profits laying around over there that they really don't want anymore.

I'd have to be all the way down the rabbit hole to believe that there was a real debate to be had in that little What If world.

An exit strategy would be nice this time.





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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. You toss crap and call it facts. You have "proven" nothing.
You have opinions, and we know what they're like. They are even more so coming from you, it would seem.

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
95. Have you checked the cost of bread and milk lately? 30 cents a day doesn't do shit.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #95
97. Two dollars and ten cents a week, on AVERAGE. More for those people who
can't AFFORD to live near their work. Like MANY of the working poor.

You can buy a loaf of supermarket bread for that, or a quart of milk.

I HAVE checked the prices. And the difference between a little milk a few days a week in the cereal or plain water is there.

Only people who have never checked the couch cushions for spare change make remarks like yours. A few bucks is a few bucks. Not "shit."

Of course, you can always buy a small latte with your savings....

:eyes:
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:37 PM
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7. And it will cost over 300,000 jobs lost and bad roads. She is a joke.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. It's mind boggling, isn't it
People are tired of the same old DC politics. We need a change.
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:50 PM
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10. As opposed to that plan Obama has proposed....
like when he didn't vote for a 30% interest rate cap on credit cards because it was too high, yet did not provide an alternative?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. We are talking about the absurd "gas-tax holiday"
Stay on subject.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:56 PM
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Do you wear that DLC icon with pride? n/t
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Hell Yeah! Nice to differentiate myself from the losing wing of
Democratic Party! Howard Dean: When winning just won't cut it.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. And how many Presidential elections have the DLC won since their inception? They've had
three nominees thus far.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:36 PM
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:38 PM
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29. Kerry won? Gore won? (well technically Gore won, but technically doesn;t count) That only ........
leaves Bill Clinton who managed to turn both houses of Congress over to the rethugs.

DLC = GOP lite.

Al From is a cancer on the Democratic Party.
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Nope. Kerry and Gore tried to distance themselves.... hence the
losses. If Gore had taken Bill Clinton's advice he'd be ending his 8 triumphant years as president right now.....
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Uh, got proof that DLC won from 1992 to 2006
before Howard Dean stopped the bleeding?
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. It's called Clinton.
Howard Dean is not the demi God you think.

He is going to drive this party into the ground.
Just look at DNC fundraising numbers. And remember, Obama supporters are NOT going to support the party, it is a cult of personality - not party loyalists.
Hope he can raise the big bucks, cuz not many $25K donations will be rolling into the DNC
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Considering that it's illegal for a person to donate 25k, I agree with you on that part......
yet Dean's 50 state strategy managed to win us back both houses of Congress. Most of the money that is being raised is not being kept at the top, it's being funneled down to the local level.

The DLC is pissy because Dean is funneling money into Blue seats in Red States, and the DLC doesn't understand how this betters the party.

Even most Clinton supporters consider the DLC to be the worse thing that ever happened to the Democratic party.
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Um, you can donate 25K to the DNC....and those donors will
not be there for Howard Dean. That's why PARTY FUNDRAISING is so important.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:53 PM
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43. Uh, they want a winner - Clinton ain't a winner - Clinton's a crybaby
and until Clinton and DLC is tossed out, DNC will wait until June before they start REALLY fundraising - and bundlers will take care of DNC and small donations will come in like crazy.
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. You better count on Hollywood. They are the only ones who
will bankroll the Democratic Party if Hillary's nomination is stolen.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:01 PM
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48. Uh-huh. And tell me EXACTLY the path to a Clinton nomination.
I'm waiting.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:03 PM
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #45
84. Right...all 1,500,000 of Obama's supporters are in Hollywood
And if her nomination is stolen? How do you own the nomination when you're in 2nd place? Sheesh.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:41 AM
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103. "if Hillary's nomination is STOLEN" ???? ROTFLMFAO!!!
you people better suck it up, because the entitlement QUEEN lost "her" nomination the easy way, by being a total jerk. a LIAR, and a backstabbing scumbag, and also by being the SAME OLD BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON bag of lies, scandal, coverup, payola, backroom deals, and TOTAL BULLSHIT.

the DLC is a nothing but a bunch of greed-head republican "democrats" who care about one thing and one thing only: their own bottom line. you think you own the politicians and they are there to do your bidding to make the world safe for your predatory capitalism while you masquerade as "democrats." But the only tactics you know are smearing and distortion in pursuit of the almighty dollar. you are soulless hypocrites who applaud the invasion of a defenseless sovereign nation for no reason at all except that it is making you very very rich.

Howard Dean's candidacy was killed off by the DLC manipulation of the voters--you have your fucking nerve dissing Howard Dean, whose only fault is that he castrated the DLC--the same way Kerry was "installed," and the same way the "inevitable" Hillary-Bush-lover-Clinton was installed as the Queen whose feet we are supposed to bow down and kiss. You really have your fucking nerve saying Queen McClinton's nomination is being STOLEN --what a fucking bunch of crap! just HOW the fuck was it STOLEN?

don't you have an insider trader's meeting to go to?
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truth-warrior Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. And that's why it's important to have strong DNC fundraising,
because only the DNC can collect large sums $25,000 and funnel it down... no one can give that much to individual candidates..... that's my point!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:05 AM
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93. No, it isn't illegal. You can contribute Twenty Eight Thousand, Five Hundred, actually.
Here's the chart: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contriblimits.shtml

Personal limits aren't the same as national committee limits. Why do you think those DEEP POCKET bastards are so important? They're the reliable sonsabitches that support the party BETWEEN Presidential contests.

This isn't about the Dee EL Cee, this is about the problems that the Dee ENN Cee will be having in future. Dean's crew. That money might not be there.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:51 PM
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39. Deleted
Edited on Fri May-02-08 08:51 PM by HawkeyeX
Wrong subthread
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. And exactly what happened in 1994, 1996, 2000, 2002 and 2004
in Congressional elections? Hmm?

It's not Clinton.

Hawkeye-X
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
53. No citizen voter proclaims loyalty to a think tank
Only people who receive something in return prop up a think tank. Tanks for playing. :hi:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:31 PM
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79. Ahem
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:05 PM
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15. What a scam
I'm not so pathetic that I need a petty amount like that. I would rather it went to improve roads etc where it will do lots of people more good. :argh:
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:09 PM
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18. It's an insult to our intelligence.
Hillary Clinton and John McCain think the American people are idiots ... Yet another thing those two have in common.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:12 PM
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21. Yes, it is! "John & Hillary's Pander Station Gas Tax Holiday"
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:25 PM
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25. Mwaha! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:12 PM
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22. You're looking at it all wrong
That's $30 over three months.

The bigger number is what's attractive (that'll buy you a half a tank of gas and get you through a week or less depending on your driving needs).

:sarcasm:

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:58 PM
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58. Sick, isn't it?
Ten dollars a month. Yet our roads will go to hell and thousands will be out of jobs. But what the hell, it's "the race to the white house"--woo-fucking-hoo--let pandering reign! :woohoo:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:18 PM
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24. No, it's supposed to help Hillary Clinton and John McCain!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:44 PM
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35. Yes. This is an incredibly stupid, shortsighted and just plain
bad idea. Pandering. Transparent to anyone who is willing to actually look at the situation.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:53 PM
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42. Booyah!!! Well said, well spoken.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:56 PM
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46. 30 cents will help you more than Zero cents.
This tax is not a lot, but it's something which is better than nothing. Of course, bigger, better things need to be done, but congress works so slow that it will take forever. This is a step in the right direction.

Also, it's small for the average person, but those effected most are truck drivers who deliver the food and merchandise that we buy. When they pay more for gas, the increase is passed on to the consumer. Without the gas tax, we not only are getting zero cents a day, but we'll be paying more for merchandise. You think that's better?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:16 PM
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50. It's like throwing a band-aid over the incision after open heart surgery.......
all it does it create more problems than it solves. No money for infrastructure repair is a poor trade off.

Here in NY we are already faced with giving up money for education because of lack of revenues. Universities are forced to turn over 109million that they took in from student fees.

What are you willing to give up for 30 cents per gallon?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:04 PM
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60. Thank you, oh elitist one, for your insignifant "gift"
Or in other words, get bent.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:57 PM
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47. And it's bad for the environment and will cost THOUSANDS of jobs.
What the fuck is she thinking?

I think Jonathan Alter nailed it when he very diplomatically said that she's counting on large numbers of "low information voters" on this issue. Ergo, morons.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:55 PM
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55. Nearly a half a million blue collar workers lose highway construction jobs and...
...the funding that would go to fix potholes and the infrastructure before it gets cold again are taken away.

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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:34 PM
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71. Quit your whining. Thirty cents will buy a pound and a half of rice in my
supermarket.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. Are you serious? Do you in this thread want to argue absolute v abject poverty...
...in the US?

:shrug:

Seriously?
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:23 PM
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78. I don't want to argue anything. Seriously? Thirty cents has value, more to
some and less to others. If it means so little to you, send thirty cents a day to your local food bank. If you already give, give thirty cents more. Of course, it's easy for me to say. I usually have two hundred cents a day to spend on food. Each and every day. Then again, I can't drive a gasoline powered vehicle and afford that. I'm lucky enough to have had someone give me a 1982 Univega to ride to my job. And I do have a job. Despite my age, and a failing heart. Perspective, my friend. Truth is experiential.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #78
89. I live by counting pennies...litterally
Perspective is a powerful thing. Like the fact that as much as I am in favor of much of the regulation that unfortunately winds up constricting the economically less advantaged, that same regulation makes it much more difficult for the disaffected to survive. Poor people in the US cannot put up a cabin, cannot even freaking exist without being hassled by the powers that be.

Hunger & poverty in the US is differnt than it is in other parts of the world--all except for the harm that it wields. Yet, this is one of the things that I fear most about this neo conservative-neoliberal move to world domination--that they intend to make a banana republic of the US, that US workers will be no more or no less regarded as a worker surviving under slave conditions in other nations--because they intend to make slaves of us all.

You think that this is okay? I don't.

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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:13 AM
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94. Blessed Be.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:01 PM
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76. If Hillary throws in a free chicken, I might vote for her!
Not.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #76
92. I want a rubber chicken!
If I am promised a tax holiday on rubber chickens then I will for sure vote Hill!!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:39 PM
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82. And that's only assuming that the oil companies would actually pass along the savings.
Which they won't.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:48 PM
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85. Exactly...consumers have shown they'e willing to pay, ergo the suppliers will jack up the price
Oh, not the same day of course. but it goes up 4c one day and 7c a few days later, doesn't take long. The gas station owner blames the supplier, the supplier blames the market, and then at the end of summer it suddenly pops up 20c or so on TOP.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:53 PM
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88. And Exxon's 2nd quarter profits are even better than 1st quarter's!
Yeah, that's just what we need...
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:43 PM
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83. Bill Clinton dissed the $2,100 'stimulus' check
and said it would be a meaningless to the economy and eaten up by the housing crisis. I have this on video when Bill spoke at a campaign rally in PA. Now, Hillary latches on to this 30 cents a day rebate for three months and Bill supports it?
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:51 PM
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86. I agree this idea will do more harm then good
and is mindless pandering on the part of both McCain and Clinton. Hillary Clinton should have resisted the urge to agree with McCain on his proposal of a "gas tax holiday".

Does anyone not remember the bridge that collapsed in Minnesota? Where is the money going to be taken from to make up for the lost revenue for infrastructure projects? What happens when Federal funding for highway projects are cut and people are laid off? Is it just tough luck for them?

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Vote2008 Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:18 AM
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96. She is just like McSame!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:04 AM
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99. I believe this is one of the "solutions" that her campaign is so proud of
:puke:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:06 AM
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100. That's what I keep bringing up when I talk to people and the gas tax holiday comes up.
Usually I snidely accompany it with "Don't spend it all in one place."
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:14 AM
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101. Don't want it? SEND IT TO ME. I'm accepting donations. Cash, check . . HELL I'll even take Pay Pal
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FreeJoe Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:15 AM
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105. Is Senator Obama's gas policy any better?
I agree that the gas tax holiday idea is a bad one. I'd be more impressed if Senator Obama wasn't proposing an extra tax on US oil and gas companies. That will raise prices for gas and cause us to import more oil. I'm not thrilled with high gas prices, but, on the bright side, they are finally getting us to take alternative energy seriously. High energy prices are our future...at least for as far forward as I can see.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:27 AM
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107. She is old school- empty promises and street money
I heard she handed out loads in Pa.
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