So is it real or what? Geez! re: Kantorgate

[Mobius]

I read its real, then I see a forensic analysis by an expert, and I think it is fake.

My head is spinning.


Yeah yeah I mean the Kantorgate video.

First he supposedly said the N word (racial slur)
Then He supposedly said voters were shit.

Now did the voter comment thing come after the N word was sort of disproven?
Were they both said?

I guess I should let it rest for a few days, but it might/will be worse by then.


There is always some huge deal right before a primary as someone else has said, and it always seems to go back to Hillary. It seems like she tried to make him look bad yet again, by trying to leak this obviously tampered with video.

It seems that way...

I really don't know what to think any more.

*I think I will go back to play Pony Island and try to find a happy place until this shit storm is over*

[DearAbby]

1. It's wonderful you brought this up

we actually needed the 34,987th thread on this topic. :thumbsup:


:sarcasm:

[Mobius]

2. thanks I try.

Is it really that many?
Wow, that's a lot.
Yeah I knew it was brought up before, but I was having trouble sorting through all of it.
I was hoping for some help.
Thanks for being a supportive fellow DUer.

[grantcart]

20. well some people are just logging in here for the first time today

[MADem]

3. The idiots at KOS who were flogging it to the media are taking down their little diaries and running

and hiding in shame.

CNN has it up now, under the heading DIRTY POLITICS. They are calling it a HOAX.
Whoever put that up is a vile fucker.

ANATOMY OF A HIT!! They are calling it.

[Mobius]

4. I guess what remains

is who created the hoax?

[MADem]

13. Good question. Ever since GOOGLE bought up YOUTUBE

they do an "enhanced" job of tracking down that shit. They've got an IP address, no doubt. Shouldn't be too hard to figure it out. I'm guessing if the guy keeps it up, using "innuendo" based on his hit and run, we may see him on that TV station formerly known as COURT TV.

[barack the house]

5. Always go off historical record has our side lied so far, nope. Is there a neocon slant to their

campaign yep.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. If it was real do you not think it would have been brought up years ago?

[Mobius]

7. Well depends who had access to it

and yeah these things tend to be more valuable when played at a certain time, so that part isn't that shocking.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. Everyone has had access to it. It is at my local Blockbuster.

[Mobius]

12. I mean the original video source

...

[MADem]

14. The "original video source" is what you see at Blockbuster. NT

[Mobius]

18. Original IP adress

of the person that uploaded it to YouTube, not the DVD
The one that wanted to cause all of this.
Truly, I am sorry for not being clear enough.
I was at work and posted hastily.

[MADem]

21. Oh--the good people at GOOGLE/YouTube can put their paws on that.

We'll see, if the guy keeps it up, he might have trouble. He sure isn't helping Obama.

[MyNameGoesHere]

8. To the supporters of unity, hope and change it became real.

So yeah to those people it is real. But the rest of us waited before we got sucked in by a hoax.

[Mobius]

9. Not true

I knew something was fishy right away.
It's always a bad idea to assume what mass groups of people are thinking.

[MyNameGoesHere]

24. Of course it is. But now it is the operation de jour for DU. n/t

[JackORoses]

11. It's Real. He called Hoosiers Shit.

Though the Hillarites tried to snuff this,
they couldn't get their stories straight.

Kantor said he was calling Pollsters Shit.

The director, Pennebaker, said he was saying, "the White House is shitting"

They are both lying.

[The Night Owl]

16. Let me help you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

[colorfuldude]

15. I think you should see the movie yourself

It's called "The War Room" and you can buy it or rent it. Amazon.com, blockbuster, or anywhere.

[Mobius]

19. It sounds boring

how are the SFX? :P

[Life Long Dem]

17. I keep saying. Let the people from Indiana determine if it's real or not.

It might look real, but I'm not saying whether it is or it isn't. I'm sure there are qualified people to determine this. But if not, then Indiana people can use their own judgment.

[jillan]

22. Huh? It's already been proven that it's a hoax.

CNN showed the entire clip tonite along with the original.

Now the question is, whodunnit?

[FlyingSquirrel]

23. Probably a Hillary Supporter.

:rofl: Duh, of course it was some dumb Obama supporter, what does that prove?

Unless maybe it was Karl Rove himself. Trying to make Obama look bad by launching a pathetically lame attack on Hillary. Kinda sounds like something he'd do, actually.

:tinfoilhat:

[Satyagrahi]

25. I think that it is real but you can decide for yourself.

I am not sure about the first, he either says "those people are shit" or "those people are shit'n" (=-ing), but he does seem to use the N word.

You don't have to rely on the "doctored"/enhanced version, try these instead:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5794962

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

1. Download the clip(s).
2. Open the file with QuickTime or a similar program.
3. Select 0:25-0:28 in the first case or 4:53-4:56 in the second case and play it in an endless loop.
4. Crank up the volume and tell me what you can hear.

[GoldieAZ49]

26. Not real Original transcript

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/official-transc.html

The official transcript:

GEORGE AND CARVILLE: Indiana, we're ahead.

JACQUELINE: Indiana!

GEORGE: Kentucky.

CARVILLE: Kentucky is five. Michigan is eleven, New York's done.

GEORGE: Holy s---, we're pulling away in Ohio.

CARVILLE: Oklahoma we're up.

GEORGE: Tied in Texas.

CARVILLE: Tied in Texas. It looks good. Now let's just say that. I like the text here.

GEORGE: Can you beep Wendy please? Looks pretty good. Looks pretty good.

MICKEY KANTOR: Look at Indiana. Wait, wait. Look at Indiana. Forty-two, forty. It doesn't matter if we win. Those people are s----ing (oh, excuse me) in the White House. How would you like to be... Look at Texas, go down to Texas.

CARVILLE: Even.

MICKEY: Yeah. Thirty-nine, thirty-nine.

CARVILLE: Perot's kind of holding, isn't he?

GEORGE: He held.

MICKEY: Yeah, he held. His numbers held. I'm sort of surprised, frankly.

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