dan abrams doing a whole hour on obama and wright. geez.

[RepublicanElephant]

.

[Oceansaway]

1. turn it off....n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

2. No, Kantor? I guess that story did not have legs after all.

[LisaM]

3. You know, if you beat a rug long enough

eventually there's no more dirt in it. He needs to quit. I say this as a Hillary supporter.

Maybe he got tired of the dad had the daughter as a sex-slave in the basement story he's been salivating over all week.....for whatever reason, MSNBC loves sex-slave stories.

[Upton]

4. I just saw it coming on, it's unbelievable

what in the heck is going on? I mean, enough is enough.

[onefreespiritedchick]

10. MSNBC what the hell?

What is the purpose of this so-called special?

[woolldog]

5. Post his email and let's let him have it!

Let's flood him with emails telling him to get a life and stop pasturbating.

[VenusRising]

25. link to his email contact page.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22610959/

[woolldog]

49. sent.

Thanks.

[VenusRising]

57. My letter to DA.

I was thoroughly disgusted to see that you would spend a whole hour of your program dedicated to Senator Obama and Reverend Wright. No American is going to be personally effected by this non-issue that the media keeps pressing. We little folks who sit in our living rooms while we watch your show are concerned about how they are going to put gas in their cars to get to work or more likely a job interview considering how all of our jobs have been lost because of NAFTA. We wonder how we are going to put food on our tables to feed our children because the price of food has gone up, yet our pay checks remain dismally low. We are worried about our homes being foreclosed on and where we are going to take our children and what education they might have because of No Child Left Behind.

Seriously, Mr Abrams, look beyond your shiny desk and bright lights into the dingy living rooms of America and talk about things that have an impact on our lives.

[woolldog]

69. ooooh that's good.

Mine wasn't that good (I didn't save it). I told him to stop pasturbating, listed a bunch of issues and told him he should focus on things that are relevant to our lives. I think I sounded kind of angry.

Good job.

:toast:

[VenusRising]

70. Thanks.

My husband says my angry letters are my strength.

:toast:

[GoldieAZ49]

55. LOL yeah that will work

[ErinBerin84]

64. He does read the emails he gets on the air

He usually just uses it as an opportunity to defend his previous position, but I appreciate the gesture.

[Sparkly]

6. I wish they'd devote an hour to McCain on Iraq...

His admission that it was about oil, his voting record, his speeches, his support of the Chimperor....

THAT would be important to inform viewers about.

[VenusRising]

7. Second for turn it off.

And if you have a cable box, make sure you turn the channel from it.

Abrams can Fuck right off over keeping this non-issue bullshit afloat.

[Ian David]

8. Does he think Rev. Wright killed Jon-Benet Ramsay? n/t

[madrchsod]

50. hey...that`s nancy-i`m a rabid dog -grace`s story...

do`t get her mad....she`ll start snarling!

[Ian David]

76. Abrams was the guy who broke the "story" and bankrolled John Mark Karr's trip to America. n/t

[rwheeler31]

Larry King has a good guest.

[LakeSamish706]

9. I just turned it off... WTF is wrong with that jerk... Thats over, get beyond it. n/t

[truth-warrior]

11. Fascinating. The more I learn, the more I know Hillary is the right

choice for our party.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

16. DLCers love Hillary, thats no surprise

She pro-war and pro-corporate, just like the DLC.

[truth-warrior]

19. Really? Does that explain why a majority of DLCers have endorsed

Obama?

[LakeSamish706]

26. You go ahead and vote for Hillary, some of us will stay at home ok? n/t

[truth-warrior]

32. You're not scaring anyone with your pouting and threats.

[LakeSamish706]

36. Not trying to scare anyone, just simply telling ya like it is Mr. DLC. n/t

[truth-warrior]

40. There are many who will not vote for Obama

and even more who will not donate to the DNC or Obama should Dean manage to steal the nom for his man.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

31. Hillary is a member of the DLC

Where is your stat that a majority of DLC members have endorsed Obama?

[truth-warrior]

48. Duh Hillary is DLC

And unfortunately, Obama has received more DLC endorsements than Hillary.
Just check the SD tracker at RCP or slate.

[WeDidIt]

18. Your avatar says it all

The DLC is the Republican wing of the Democratic party, IMO.

When given a choice between a REpublican and a DLCer, it's time to just give up because it's officially a one party system.

[truth-warrior]

24. It's the winning wing of the Democratic Party.

President McCain thanks you for your fringe beliefs.

[WeDidIt]

39. It sure as hell lost the Congress in '94

Something that wasn't corrected until the DLC wing was pushed out and we had a REAL DNC chair in 2006.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

68. Winning wing? You're delusional, and soon to be totally defunct.

Touting McCain also makes you a defeatist. Stop your whining and embrace our new Democratic president.

[Cha]

28. Dinos Loser Club..yeah....hilary

leads that pack of jackals.

[truth-warrior]

44. Don't know who "hilary" is, but Hillary Clinton is a winner!

[Cha]

61. hilary's the Bosnian Sniper Liar and The LIAR just

because she can(or so she thinks..not too smart).


"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."


<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Make that Dino Liar's Club.

[Raine]

43. The opposite for me

the more I learn about her the more I know she is the WRONG choice! :puke:

[TahitiNut]

65. Which party is that? The Goddess Of Peace party?

Since I'm an independent liberal, I find it hard to keep track of such things. :eyes:

[truth-warrior]

66. Hmmmm. Playig dumb? or are you playing? lolz

[TahitiNut]

67. Was that too difficult a question for you? Too bad.

:nopity:

[TahitiNut]

72. Look here! Another FAUX "DNC" troll planted in Boot Hillary. RIP, disruptor!

The cult is proud of you for your "sacrifice" and service as a stupordelegate.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. I honestly can not understand why so many watch any of these shows.

[chascarrillo]

22. And that's the honest to god truth.

I turned it all off. As heated and bitter as GD:P gets, it still does a much, much better job than any news organization.

[Raine]

47. I'm a glutton for punishment

:spank: but I'm begining to reach the saturation point on this crap. :puke:

[WeDidIt]

13. Yeah, we turned it off when we saw what it was going to be.

No need to be watching that garbage.

[Olney Blue]

14. Michelle and Barack are impressive.

[Oleladylib]

20. scarey, ...she's very scarey...don't like her at all...short fuse

[uponit7771]

27. She's scarey? .....hmmmm

[Olney Blue]

Have you ever listened to her give an entire speech?

She is eloquent and graceful- well-spoken and determined.

I'm a Hillary supporter, and I admire Michelle tremendously!

[RepublicanElephant]

15. dan's been really getting wackey lately with this rev wright stuff...

...i'd rather watch the drew peterson show.

damn, for the first time ever, i'm switching dan OFF!

hey, the jefferson-jackson dinner is still on cspan!

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

17. He loves Hillary

as much as KO love Obama.

[uponit7771]

21. Hmmm, have they don't a special report on the close relationships kkkons have with their racist...

...flame throwers?!!?!

My goodness!!!

I'm surprised Dan Abrams is doing a whole hour on this!

[DJ13]

23. Look at this thread & see the difference between Obama & Clinton supporters

The Obama supporters are saying "turn it off!"

If it was an hour long tirade MSNBC against Hillary her supporters would be readying a petition to get Abrahms fired.

The difference is we believe in freedom of speech, even speech we disagree with.

[RepublicanElephant]

35. this goes beyond hillary. this is race-baiting for ratings...

right before two crucial primaries on tues.

[DJ13]

38. I agree, and I hate it, but what can we do about it?

:banghead:

[uponit7771]

58. I'm going to start confronting some blacks in the media for NOT speaking up. I've believed for a...

...while now that only sectors of America at this time in our history holds overt or covert racist views and the way the media is treating this story only establishes that.

For blacks in the media not to be pulling their hair out over the disparate treatment of Wright vs. Parsley and Hagee and umpteen other flame throwing racist, hateful bastards

[depakid]

29. Hard to believe that people still watch this crap

even Du'ers.

[Olney Blue]

45. I don't want to hide my head in the sand... I watch a wide variety of shows

even when I disagree. This issue with Rev Wright is serious, and I don't think the Republicans will let it go. I want to know all there is to know about it, as well as the lies that are being told.

btw, the Obamas are doing quite well under this pressure from what I can see.

[Webster Green]

30. Yeah, I turned that crap off right away!

WTF Dan?!:thumbsdown:

[democrattotheend]

33. Can someone please watch it and report?

I'm at work and can't watch, and I want to know what's going on.

[uponit7771]

34. Watching it, courious if there's something new....so far....NOTHING NEW. Cant believe they are....

...getting ratings off this.

[democrattotheend]

Still Obama bashing?

Or any more balanced?

[uponit7771]

51. he's about to comment on Obamas speech. I wish someone in the black pundintry community would...

...confront these people like John Stewart did

[writes3000]

42. Dan's regular show must not be doing all that great. n/t

[Raine]

37. Gawd I can't take anymore of this shit!

:puke:

[liberaldem4ever]

41. Dan Abrams is out to ruin Obama

He must think he is going to get a ratings boost out of it. I can tell him one thing he did accomplish-he lost this long time viewer forever. I used to watch his show daily before he decided to turn it into hateful tabloid style crap. :mad:

[ErinBerin84]

46. Yes,I'm surprised that he did this.

He always calls bullshit on the "inside dc media" and even though I think he does slant towards Hillary, he really does try to stay fair and balanced. I have noticed how excited he gets at these sensationalized stories, like Passport gate, religious sect in Texas, Austria dad who raped his daughter, etc (though he did say that the media was overplaying Bosnia and Bitter). Sometimes I think that he is too much of a lawyer...the Elliot Spitzer story was literally the most excited that I have ever seen Dan.

[uponit7771]

52. I honestly don't see the appeal and most Americans see McSames relationship with Bush more

...troubling than Obamas with Wrights.

Can't really see this as a ratings getter for them and don't know any white people who care to the degree that an hour would be spent on something like this.

[GoldieAZ49]

53. A good review of all the BS, hearing Obama's various remarks regarding his pastor/mentor/uncle

is amusing

I have a better chance of being nominated POTUS than he does

[VolcanoJen]

54. Must be payback for John Kerry smacking MSNBC around...

... earlier today.

John Kerry made me proud once again. :-)

[Pisces]

56. This is bullshit!! THey all want to derail Obama by continuing to talk about Wright before the

election! This is the definition of railroading.

[crimsonblue]

59. relax... it's on during news dump Friday..

This is msnbc's way of getting the last little bit of jizz that they can from this story. Plus, their video dept was probably working on this since Monday morning. At this point, further exposure only hurts msnbc and those that keep pushing the meme.

[uponit7771]

63. Can't they track ratings on this story though? Who (besides me right now cause I like punishment) is

...really looking at this shit for anything new?

Obamas former pastor was a verbal flame thrower...

[uponit7771]

60. Abrams going over the last week, again nothing new. Obama gave the media the benefit of the doubt...

...and thought they'd be as smart as the regular American.

Note to Obama campaign: Our media is a bunch of disconnected 7 figure beings who most are dumber than a box of wet rocks.

[Cha]

71. You know the Obama campaign knows

this, right?

[crimsonblue]

73. Hey. you just hurt my pet rock's feelings.

Apologize!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

62. Thanks for the link to MSN

"Verdict" is a real letdown after "Countdown." Believe it's time for a donation to Obama.:kick:

[malik flavors]

74. It actually was pretty fair wrap-up. It didn't reflect poorly on Obama at all really.

I'd prefer the story to be out of the news all together, but this wasn't some Sean Hannity crap, or anything like that.

[moondust]

75. He'll never be welcome on my TV screen again.

Danny Boy is some kind of big shot at MSRNC who has supported Clinton from day one. No wonder MSRNC plays this Wright BS continuously for weeks, culminating in a show of its own on the Friday before an election.

Buh-bye Danny Boy.