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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:59 PM
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Questions Senator Obama needs to and should answer
I just read this on Andrew Sullivan's blog. He cross posted it under the heading "The Fierce Mccarthyism of now."

Actually, I think the above questions strike at the heart of the issue of his electability. If Tim Russert were to ask these and if he could give a stellar answer, it'd go a long way towards resolving the electability question. I don't want a page 1 New York Times exclusive on October 15th on any of the issues below.

The below is EXACTLY what meant Bill Clinton meant when he said Obama would be a roll of the dice and Hillary said "she's been vetted."

I look at Hillary's so-called scandals as ridiculous. They are no worse than the BS that was thrown at Gore and Kerry. Hillary especially knows to handle it. Her husband cheated on her? Whitewater? Campaign finance? All of those issues have already been vetted and Hillary has won 2 campaigns with those issues being out in the open by LANDSLIDES. The below questions for Obama however could torpedo his campaign and are highly legitimate. I'd love to see him answer them. The below questions are why I fled into Hillary's camp.

What year did you join Trinity Church?

How often did you attend services there? (This requires follow-up after the inevitable ambiguous answer. Wwas it quarterly, monthly, weekly? Did you belong to any of the church's many organizations, like a men's fellowship? These aren't trick questions. Any church member knows exactly how often they go to church, and the patterns don't change much after they are set.)

When you attended the Million Man March, did you go with a group of men from Trinity? Did you see Pastor Wright on that trip?

How often would you see Pastor Wright in a setting away from church?

Did you go out to dinner together? Socialize together? Travel together?
You heard him preach on "white man's greed," that's in your memoir Dreams from My Father. And when you told him he couldn't deliver the opening prayer at your campaign kick-off, you said it was because he could be "a little rough." How often did you hear him preach on the greed of white people, and what did you mean by "a little rough."

I'd like to know about your friendship with Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers.

They hosted an event for you when you ran for state senate, right?

Bernadine Dohrn worked at Sidley and Austin when your wife worked there, and maybe when you were a summer associate there, is that correct?

You and William Ayers served on a foundation board together, correct?

So how well do you know them and how often have you seen them over the past dozen years?

Did you ever socialize with them?

Let's talk about Tony Rezko. He helped you buy your house? Did you have any other business dealings with him at all?

Did you socialize with him? Attend events at his home?

Michelle Obama gave a speech a week ago Friday in which she bemoaned how much you two had been in debt until you wrote your two best-sellers. How much had you been in debt?

She also talked about the burdens of the student loans you two had accumulated. How much had you two borrowed to get through college and law school?

Did you receive financial aid other than loans from Columbia or Harvard Law?

Harvard Law has a program that encourages new grads to go into public interest work. Were there any such incentives or encouragments when you left Harvard Law School?

Do you think the country has made great progress on race relations?

Do you believe the government had anything to do with inventing AIDs?

Your church bulletin had some amazing things in it, which can fairly be described as extremely anti-Israel and some would say anti-semitic, such as the charge that Israel was developing a bomb that would kill only Arabs. Did you ever read anything in one of the Trinity bulletins that caused you to approach the leadership of the church and ask for more judgment or balance in the publications?

People are worried about your judgment. There's your friendship with Pastor Wright, and you say you didn't know about his quote rants." There's your friendship with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, and you say you were 8 when they were blowing up people and buildings, but in November of 2007 they said horrible things about the U.S. There's Tony Rezko, your business partner on the land deal which makes him your neighbor, and now he's in the dock.

How can people be confident that your judgment about people has improved?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:01 PM
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1. Well if Hillary's been vetted, you & Bill wont mind if shes asked personal questions
Right?

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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:03 PM
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4. Yeah....like all those people dying that were associated with them.
Did the Clintons have people murdered? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:07 PM
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9. Unbelievable that a democrat would talk about this right-wing conspiracy theory
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:07 PM by Secret_Society
Man you people have short term memories.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:11 PM
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18. When Hillary decided to cozy up to Scaife, the person who ACCUSED the
Clintons of murder, then it all becomes fair game, and no longer VRWC.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:22 PM
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36. I was being facetious, of course that stuff is bogus - but so is all this
Wright shit.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:02 PM
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2. Why did you pretend to be an Obama supporter for so long? Or are you
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:03 PM by wienerdoggie
just one of those overzealous new converts? How do you go from supporting the guy to writing posts like this in the span of three or four weeks?

edit to add: Just bizarre behavior.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:06 PM
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How indeed
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:12 PM
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22. Is there a single "burning question" among those....
... that:

- Bring troops home from Iraq?
- Brings jobs to America? Good paying jobs?
- Keeps jobs in America? Good paying jobs?
- Addresses the global community, and our part in it?
- Talks about the supply/demand issues in terms of oil?
- Speaks intelligently about the battle for resources we're just beginning to realize? Water, food, fuel?
- Addresses the issues facing our troops as they return from battle? The Webb New GI Bill that McCain/Graham are ratfucking?
- Talks about the mortgage crisis, dwindling real estate values?

I'm only getting started, but how in the holy living fuck do those questions affect my life, any of our lives? And why are so many DUers so willing to allow them to suck all of the oxygen out of the room, when we've been talking about these issues for the last seven years, together, as a progressive community?

I barely recognize us.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:17 PM
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87. Ding, ding,ding, ding! You win DU Pachenko!
:rofl:

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:23 PM
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101. Yay!! I won something!! I'm a winner!!!!!!
I can haz cheezberger?

:rofl:
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:07 PM
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11. I didn't expect my candidate to...
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:09 PM by Tropics_Dude83
have somebody who was "like family to him" and who had baptised his children go before the national press club in Washington, D.C. of all places and put on a performance like we saw on Monday nor did I expect someone closely associated with him to say "God Damm America nor for his pastor to say "he does what politicians do, I do what pastors do." When he told Tim Russert "no no, there are no hidden scandals about me" in December of 2007, I believed him 100%. Hillary's strength among Reagan democrats, catholics, jews, etc., also helped convert me. Not to mention bitter and the Philly ABC debate performance.

Obama gave me tonnes of reasons to have pause in the past 4 weeks. Plus I'm angry with him for not thinking what he was saying in San Francisco nor for realizing the danger Wright posed to the causes we all believed in sooner.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:09 PM
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14. That's the dumbest reasons to switch support I've ever heard. You never were an Obama supporter, or
you're just very feeble-minded.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:14 PM
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25. Obama supporters are true-blue. Obama supporters haven't budged.
The only people moving around in these polls are the same group of 10% "undecided/independent" idiots that our leaders fight over every single fucking election year. I can only guess the OP was among the "undecided" that seem to rule our policy, year after year.

It is maddening.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:30 PM
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49. Yep, these are the fickle, highly suggestible people who tune in to see what the media
is telling them to think on any given day, and then dutifully reflect it in the polls and voting booths, rather than use their own critical thinking or formulate their own opinions. They absorb not just the facts, but the analysis and spin, too. They rely on pundits to tell them how very CRUCIAL such issues as flag pins and somewhat-wacky former associates are--who knows WHAT they'd think if there was no big media orgy/hissyfit or obvious slant? They'd be lost. RW radio fans are the same way.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:10 PM
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:11 PM
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20. Many feel the exact same anger with his opponent for the tactics she has used and the very divisive
statements made by her husband.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:20 AM
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106. God Damn America -
I should say, American's - for falling for the blatant lies of The Bush administration and allowing them to march into Baghdad.

Remember when Dimson at a SOTU speech coined "axes of evil" the man's ratings were in the 80's. WTF America, WTF?

The only "danger" Wright posed was to Obama's campaign - Unless there's something else we should fear from the black pastor who served his country and did much for the poor in Chicago?

Obviously he didn't think Wright was a problem - unless you think he's enjoying having to distance him self from a man he and others think/thought was decent man.




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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:03 PM
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3. missing your wright-loops?
:nopity:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:05 PM
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7. One tends to get frustrated after a day without pastorbating
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:07 PM
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10. But I hear too much pastorbating can make you go blind.
;)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:19 PM
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89. Or vice versa, it seems. The funny thing is ...
... I'd expect the dense growth of hair on their palms would interfere with their typing. :evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:22 PM
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35. He got Rezko in there though.
I thought that was a nice touch.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:24 PM
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43. Kinda charming, isn't it?
:crazy:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 PM
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Mr. Obama
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:33 PM by Patsy Stone
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:33 PM
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52. Oh, that one's coming.
You know it.

Hillary supporters and Wingnuts wanna party like it's 1954!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:04 PM
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5. Can we ask Hillary about Doug Coe?
How about her relationship with Marc and Denise Rich?

Norman Hsu?

Peter Paul?

Ron Burkle?

Also, can we ask what she meant by "obliterating" Iran? How about that Nuclear Umbrella of Security thingie?


OR, we could just conclude that you were never going to vote for Obama anyway and honestly believe that we can't see through your concern-trolling.

FAIL.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:04 PM
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6. Very reasonable questions in my opinion.
Ones that the Repubs have already gotten ready in case BO becomes our nominee. And they won't give him a chance to ask him to his face. Sean Hannity has hinted that they are already researching these answers. I would imagine that the Republican 527s will create ads with the answers if those answers are unflattering to Barack.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:09 PM
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15. He can simply refer to the ABC "debate" where all those "real" issues were discussed ad-nauseum
more like add-nausea.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:13 PM
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23. The day in which we don't live in fear of the Sean's, Rush's and Repubs will be the day that we will
win. I'm sick of us fretting over what the republicans will do.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:06 PM
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8. I swear to gawd, I don't even recognize this once-progressive bastion anymore
We're criticizing the Million Man March now???????
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:08 PM
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12. A large group of non-white people, anywhere, doing anything.
Makes people like the OP crap their pants in fear.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:09 PM
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13. Where's your list for his opponent? I'd like to see that list as well.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:14 PM
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24. Hillary made her GOP opponents run like babies
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:16 PM by Tropics_Dude83
After Carville, Begala et al finished with him, Ken Starr was the laughing stock of the nation and Newt Gingrich had been forced out of the speakership. Hillary and Bill Clinton know how to play the GOP game. They fight Rove's dynamite with their own nuclear weapons. Hill will hit John Mccain so hard in the general if he pulls anything like this it won't be funny. Will, Obama on the other hand put forward a similar performance to his performance in Philadelphia at the ABC debate in the middle of October?
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:17 PM
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27. They didn't run far.
We got Bush.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:38 AM
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109. And we lost Congress and a bunch of Governorships and State Legislatures
Oh but who's counting, because the important thing is that the hides of Their Royal Clintonian Majesties were spared.

Yes, and time froze in 1999. Nothing has happened since then. Bill hasn't been pal-ing about with shady characters and getting paid big bucks to sell our country down the river and/or prop up repressive regimes elsewhere. And sure, he's had some zipper escapades but I'm told that "woman diet" he's been on for the past year has been working beautifully. :sarcasm:
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:10 PM
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16. Quick!
Send these questions to Charles Gibson at abc. We haven't heard enough stupid questions yet.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:11 PM
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19. Just popping in for an avatar check to see who you were supporting this week.
Carry on! :hi:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:16 PM
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26. ROFL!
Hi, honey! :hi:

What the fuck is going on around here today??!!??!??
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:17 PM
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28. I'm not sure, but I think I almost peed myself a few times tonight.
This place cracks me up. :D
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:40 PM
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60. If it weren't for people like you....
... and so many of the true-blues, I'd have thought I stumbled onto The Corner or Free Republic.

Jaysus.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:12 PM
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21. You're funny. This is halarious shit.
Do you think he should be held to account for his middle name, too??


There are excellent reasons the Founders wanted to separate Church and State.

You are one of them.

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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:18 PM
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29. He should answer these questions
I sure as hell don't believe Barck Obama about Wright - it seems a plurality of Americans don't.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:19 PM
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30. Excellent questions, I like details!
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:32 PM by laugle
But Obama has always been long on speeches and short on details..........
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:20 PM
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32. You can be a democrat and support HRC you know
Obama isn't the only democrat in this race.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:33 PM
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53. Yes, he is.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:41 PM
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62. He most certainly is.
You're proving it, daily, by regurgitating wingnut talking points from the likes of Hugh fucking Hewitt while proudly sporting that Hillary avatar.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:20 PM
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31. Did you get the e-mail from Sidney Blumenthal?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:22 PM
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37. No, the OP got those "questions" from Hugh Hewitt.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:23 PM by VolcanoJen
And the OP wrapped them up in a neat, tidy Andrew Sullivan package (see my post below).

The OP agrees with one of the biggest wingnuts on the planet that these "questions" need to be answered. And that's pretty much all you need to know about this post, and the OP.

Of course, we all know Blumenthal has already forwarded those around to all the movers and shakers in his echo chamber, so I'm sure we'll hear some of this burning knowledge on Russert this week.

Monkey see, Monkey do.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:25 PM
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44. Kinda tells you where certain Hillary supporters' hearts and minds are. n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:25 PM by ProSense
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:20 PM
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33. Other questions that need answering...
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:32 PM by BushDespiser12
Why do you spend the time trolling here? Do you really think your bullshit is going to influence anyone at this website? How stupid are you if you do think that? How much money does it take to whore oneself out to post the idiotic questions you have just posed? What is your Freeper screen name? Why don't you fuck off?
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:22 PM
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38. How is supporting Hillary being a freeper?
I guess you're willing to call 50% of the democrats who support her freepers then.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:23 PM
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40. No. Just you and the bullshit you posted.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:25 PM
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45. Fail
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 PM
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50. Oh, that's a good one
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:31 PM by VolcanoJen
:rofl:

I love our little "FAIL" back-and-forth. :-)

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:55 PM
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76. Me, too!
That one's particularly tasty!

:rofl:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:21 PM
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34. ROFL!! Hey everyone, Andrew Sullivan didn't ask these "questions."
Hugh fucking Hewitt did!!!!

Here's Sullivan's post:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/the-fierce-mcca.html#more

Lovely company you're keeping, Tropics. And way to be misleading and disingenuous. Context matters, and you're a real asshat for quoting one of the biggest wingnut crypto-facists on the planet and agreeing with him.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:23 PM
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39. Wingnuts gone wild! n/t
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:25 PM
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46. The point is Hillary is capable of fighting these kinds of attacks and already has
In two stunningly successful senate races. Obama (so far) not so much.

Gallup:
Hillary-45%
Mccain-46%

Obama-42
Mccain-48%

Rasmussen:
Obama-42%
Mccain-48%

Clinton-44%
Mccain-45%

Who's the more electable one. BTW, I never said Andrew Sullivan posted these.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:27 PM
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48. The point is, you regurgitated a Hugh Hewitt post and AGREED WITH IT.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:34 PM by VolcanoJen
How could you possibly leave that little nugget out of your OP?

If you want to play the "Hey, let's be a-skeered of the wingnuts" game that Hillary's drawn you into, you go right ahead. But leave the rest of us out of Wingnut World. The rest of us know we'll beat McCain on the issues, and not the politics of fear, while you and your kind go on partying like it's 1954.

You correctly identified Andy's post title as "The Fierce McCarthyism of Now." Do you even fucking get it? For one second???
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:23 PM
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41. Blah, blah, blah....
Same old shit. Why is it okay to bang on the same tired bullshit with Obama, but when people bring up
Clinton's scandals and baggage it's "a vast RW conspiracy"? :eyes:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:23 PM
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42. I do not believe that Obama attended the million man march.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:25 PM
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47. He most certainly did attend the Million Man March.
And back when most of us around here were progressive liberals, we thought the Million Man March was an amazing, inspirational event aimed at involving the detached African-American male population in their government and its policies.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 PM
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51. Whitewater? Campaign finance? All of those issues have already been vetted
WHAT?
ask Peter Paul and Stan Lee--that's right the Creator of Spider Man about campaign finance and Clinton...discovery trial coming soon.

because you think she's been "vetted" doesn't mean these things will never come up again. They WILL.

my big question would be when she gets attacked by the RW machine, will she claim it's because she's a woman?


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:34 PM
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54. Trying to gag people with some more of your bullshit, I see.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:34 PM
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55. send these to the RNC, they will appreciate your due diligence
jerk.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:36 PM
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56. Don't worry, Sidney Blumenthal will send them right over.
They're Hugh Hewitt's talking points, not Andrew Sullivan's. At least Andy called it for what it is... McCarthyism.

That's what one resorts to, when one knows one can't win on issues and policy.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:39 PM
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59. Oh yes, Blumenthal
my goodness, but this primary is undermining the regard I had for so many people.

to see them use the very worst to harm another Democrat is just sickening.

Hillary, this stuff is your baby.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 PM
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65. Voters don't decide on issues Jen or else Bush never would have came close enough to steal the pres.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:44 PM by Tropics_Dude83
Of course, the same old tired right wing shills will come out and chant BS about Hillary but she'll just pull a couple "shame on you" moments and they'll go back into their corner or better yet she won't hesitate to bring up Mccain's scandals like perhaps being a bit mentally unstable after his experience in Vietnam.

She'll FIGHT for the presidency and then she'll FIGHT for us once she's there. Sean Hannity and the comedian as Keith calls him Limbaugh won't know what hit them with her in the white house.

I have ZERO confidence in Obama's ability to effectively handle the slime machine. Look at how badly he has been judged as handling Wright. What does that tell us?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:50 PM
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71. Maybe you don't decide on the issues, Tropics, but I sure as fuck do.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:53 PM by VolcanoJen
And if your hypothesis were correct, that whole disingenuous OP of yours where you essentially AGREE with Hugh Hewitt but wrap it up in a shiny Andy Sullivan package (that is ironically titled "The Fierce McCarthyism of Now"), well, Obama would be collapsing. Crumbling. Down to 30%.

He's not collapsing, he's not crumbling. He's the one who's fighting, not your gal. And he's fighting it on the solid ground of progressive liberalism and truth. He's banking that voters aren't as gullible as you are. He's winning the nomination because of this gamble, and it's an inspiring and beautiful thing that has lifted millions from apathy when it comes to politics and policy.

There just aren't enough of you left to hand this election to John McCain. 2008 does not equal 2004 does not equal 2000. We've grown up a bit, as a nation, haven't we? A murderous war, a deadly hurricane, and eight years of lies and rich people getting richer while we eat melba toast will do that to people. And Hillary's tactics reek of desperation. Worse than that, they're despicable. How could I possibly trust her as our nominee when she rushed to embrace the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" tactic when her campaign started to suck?

I sure wish Hillary had been FIGHTING for US and FIGHTING against this war the last eight years instead of the last eight weeks. And that's what's really sad about all of this, isn't it? Watching people I once admired, voted for, defended and upheld falling into the mire of wingnut smears, finger-wagging and downright McCarthyism, as Andrew Sullivan called it.

You can have Hillary and her bullshit tactics. The rest of us? DO NOT WANT.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:04 PM
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80. Oh I'm not the gullible one
My preferred nominee would be Obama. If it were up to me and me alone, I'd snap my fingers and make him president. However, I see what happened in New Hampshire, Super Tuesday, Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. He was supposed to win New Hampshire by perhaps 10 points. He was supposed to come very close to knocking Hillary out on Super Tuesday. He was supposed to win Texas and come close in Ohio. He lost one of the 2 most important swing states by 10 points! And then lost another crucial swing state, Pennsylvania, by 10 again! Voters are idiots. I think a large part of the voting public looks at Obama and their prejudice gets in the way. I think of the story of the liberal disabled rights advocate who shouts out to his friend "I'd never vote for a n***** for the presidency." We've found out in this primary just how racist America still is. I think it's true as has been prognosticated that voters are looking for any excuse that they can to justify their vote on reasons other than the prejudice they have. I think of the voters who fall for the muslim smear. I think of the voters who fall for the flag lapel pin smear. The voters, in my mind, are extremely gullible. I don't trust that Obama could win this gamble for one minute anymore. With Obama, the republicans would be able to drive voters away. I don't trust the intelligence of the average voter one iota.

I haven't fallen for their smears but I've seen the public fall again and again for these smears. Let's choose a candidate that won't fall victim.

Hillary. on the other hand, despite all of her negatives, has acquired a form of magic with Reagan democrats. She's speaking to them. Bringing them back into the fold for the first time since the 1996 presidential election. She can use her appeal as the first woman president as well to win some votes that a democrat might otherwise not win. She's hit a cord with rural voters. She could actually win this race for us for the first time in 12 years. That's why I support her.

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:27 PM
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93. You've not only fallen for their smears, you're posting and contributing to them.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:31 PM by VolcanoJen
You're part of the "low information" problem, Tropics, even though you can't seem to see it.

As long as Hillary's in the race attacking Obama from the right, the list of Hugh Hewitt's "questions" that don't have one damned fucking thing to do with anyone's lives suck all the oxygen out of the room. Obama can't get a word in edgewise, because he's taking on all comers from all directions, and each of these attacks are mere distractions, just shiny "look over here" crap that distract the voters because Our Stupid Liberal Media is run by the real elitists who don't want to talk about boring stuff like Endless War and The Real Cost of Oil and Why Is Everyone Eating Melba Toast And Losing Their Homes.

You're part of the problem, not the solution. Hillary is part of the problem, not the solution. And she knows good and well that if she can help feed the smear machine, the less they'll talk about her baggage. The wingnuts lay in wait with 16 years of oppo to hit her with the second she wins the nomination, something that, thankfully, isn't likely to happen.

I'm just not going down this perilous path with you. I understand what you and her supporters are saying, I really do. You perceive her as a fighter because she's playing Rove's game flawlessly, not because she's actually fighting for you. She's hit a cord with rural voters and Reagan Democrats (or, as I call them, Republicans) because her busy behind-the-scenes beavers are smearing Obama with Pastorbation and Phony Patriotism, not because she's actually winning them over. I live in Ohio, I get this quite well. I saw what went on around here.

Just like you chose to omit Hugh Hewitt as the author of the talking points you quoted in your OP, you're omitting the fact that Obama won twelve straight caucuses and primaries between Super Tuesday and Ohio/Texas. Those voters are still with him, and anxious to stand behind him in November.

I'm banking on our future, on the millions of young, formerly apathetic voters Obama's brought into this process. And his solid bloc of African-American voters, and party die-hard activists like me. We're true-blue, and we're with him until the end. We're redrawing the losing old Clinton electoral map, and executing the 50-state strategy so many of us have longed for. It's fantastic!! We know he'll bring it to John McCain, and he'll do it with class and inspiration. Sure, some will be swayed with Rovian politics, just as you have been swayed. Thing is, there are fewer of you now. There are more of us, and in that, I am so very confident.

I'm looking forward to the general election, in fact, I'm antsy and can't wait. Every time I read a post like yours, I just shake my head and wonder what it is you're all so afraid of, after eight wretched years. I can't say it enough... times change. Events conspire. You want to fight the old racial and ecomonic divide-and-conquer politics, and I think even Clinton can't beat them at that game. And it's all they have, it really is.

2008 is not 2004, and it's not 2000. And the Clintons aren't who they used to be, either. You're selling a bill of pandering goods, and I'm not buying. And I'm not afraid. And there are more of us than there are of them, in these troubling times where lives are crumbling. Now, more than ever, Obama is the right man, and he has a rendezvous with history, and I'm on board 100%.

Above all, this is an epic battle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. There's only one thing heartbreaking in all of this... watching good Dems like you to succumb to Hillary's message of smear-and-fear. Enough. Do Not Want. Will Not Win.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:34 PM
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96. Unlike most people here
I can actually be persuaded by an argument. Your argument above was very compelling. I guess I should be around Obama supporters like you more often. LOL. Too much Chris Matthews and Andrea Mitchell and even Anderson Cooper for me lately I guess:( I hope and pray you're right. Maybe I got too cynical after the crushing disappointments of 2000 and 2004. We'll see. I hope you are right but fear that you're wrong.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:50 PM
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98. Well, on that, I agree with you.
Turn off those asshats on the teevee. They all want the same thing... drama and suspense, and honestly, unending war and misery. War and Conflict and Misery is Sexy. They perpetuate this, and you're being played like a Steinway.

You're not cynical, I'm cynical. You're just malleable, and you're better than that, and you should think about resisting it and talking to more thoughtful Obama supporters. The younger voters are really the best ones to talk to... they're amazing, and they give me pause and hope at the same time. And they're lost to us for generations if we hand this thing to Clinton based on what Hugh Hewitt and polls taken six months before November say.
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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:03 PM
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99. You rock Jen!
So well said.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 PM
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100. Thanks, dollface!
I try, I really do. Futile as it may be.

:toast:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:39 PM
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58. Hugh Hewitt wrote the questions; close enough. I see the OP failed to
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:42 PM
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63. holy crap
why is the OP even here? he's trying to trick us into thinking that either he or Sullivan wrote these.

what the hell is wrong with you man??? (not you)

you come here and spread Republican talking points about the likely nominee?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 PM
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66. The OP isn't just spreading Hugh Hewitt's vomit. He's AGREEING with Hewitt.
That tells us pretty much all we need to know, does it not?
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:53 PM
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74. How many Hillary supporters
will come in here and Rec this piece of shit Hugh Hewitt crap? When I first saw the thread there were at least nine of them. So we see where most of them get their marching orders and talking points. If it comes from a Republican they are more than willing to spread the shit, disgusting.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:54 PM
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75. you're right nt
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:56 PM
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77. Because the Admins seem to agree with this.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 PM
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64. See post #34
Hillary and the OP wanna party like it's 1954, bay-beeeeee!!!!!

:hug: babylonsister :hug:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:38 PM
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57. These talking points again today? Well, once per day isn't too bad, I guess.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:40 PM
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61. You're quoting questions from Hugh Hewitt? On DU? Why?
Should Russert make the entire interview about Wright? This is pathetic.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:44 PM
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67. Did you completely miss what Andrew Sullivan was saying with his headline?
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:46 PM
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69. Oh no I completely get the Mccarthy reference
What I'm saying is that Obama can't stand up to this kind of smear campaign. Hillary can and has for what 30-40 years?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:51 PM
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72. You're backtracking, and Hillary hasn't been running for office for 30-40 years.
Good Gawd.

I hate to keep coming at you, but your disingenuous OP is really pissing me off tonight.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:59 PM
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78. What?! You say Hillary's been in politics since 1978 or 68?
You're delusional, and I think you're a freeper as well. Hugh Hewitt's questions are an indication of just how little the RW have to bash Obama with.

BTW on Rezko, my gues is that he's going to be acquitted. the defense keeps reducing the number of witnesses it intends to call because the prosecution witnesses are so lacking in credibility. Still no scandals about Obama, lol!
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:07 PM
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82. She was on the watergate committee/worked for Mcgovern, Bill elected in the 70s
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:08 PM by Tropics_Dude83
as governor of Arkansas I believe. Yes she's been a true democratic activist for many many years.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:36 AM
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108. I thought you said she'd been standing up to smear campaigns for that long.
Oh wait, you did. Sorry, I don't buy this reasoning. By that logic we should nominate Ted Kennedy.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:27 AM
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104. you mean she's been winning elections for 30-40 years?
and the Republicans have been running against her with all their might since the early 1970's because they hated her as First Lady.

that despite the onslaught, she could win anyway. but in fact, she won New York in 2000 running 5 points behind Gore, in New York.

she won an open seat in the Senate by 10 points, the same margin that Chuck Schumer beat Al D'Amato with in 1998. Hint: it's easier to win an open seat that an occupied one.

you might have a point if you were comparing Obama to some longtime politician, veteran of many big election victories --but you aren't. you're comparing him with Senator Clinton who despite longtime experience in the political arena (since around 1978 actually) was not the candidate, did not run the campaigns of candidates, etc. etc. and now that she is the candidate, her political maneuvering has been less than steller and in fact, borderline incompetent.

so Obama's electability is certainly not assured, but here's the thing, her electability is even worse!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:45 PM
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68. Sean Hannity talking points on DU. "How often did you attend services at your church?!?"
That and stupid questions about Ayers?

These are what in your opinion should decide a president?

Wow, are you ever on the wrong site. Stunning.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:46 PM
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70. it's quite ridiculous to say
that every church member knows how often they attend church. I couldn't tell you with any accuracy how often I attend church even in the last year and it has varied from year to year.

But that's only one ridiculous assertion among a bunch of ridiculous questions.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:53 PM
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73. I think you need to read the constitution!
There is NO religious test for a candidate for president! Barack doesn't need to answer any questions about his church, his pastor, his God. Nuff said.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:01 PM
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79. tropics why did you not link to Sullivan & why did you omit what Sullivan said about the questions?
maybe we should talk about YOUR honesty.

you refer to Hugh Hewitt's list but write as if Sullivan created it.

you don't provide a link to it (why not expose your mendacity?)

i don't know why everybody isn't ignoring you. it's okay to come on strong, but when you are trying to mislead people, what's the point of listening to you except to call you on it.

if you are the best and brightest the Democratic Party has, we are doomed.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. Nowhere did I omit anything
This is exactly what I posted in the OP:
I just read this on Andrew Sullivan's blog. He cross posted it under the heading "The Fierce Mccarthyism of now."

I then went on to say that I think the issues are actually legitimate. Not that he did. Don't put words in my mouth
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:19 PM
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88. you omitted what Sullivan said about it and you omitted a link (which you never normally omit)
you omitted whom the author of the questions really is.

why did you not link to the post? in every other thread started by you where you refer to a source, you provide a link.
why not this time?

because linking and quoting Sully undermines your argument because he argued against it.

because linking to the primary source, Hugh Hewitt would bring obvious and deserved wrath around here?

don't tell me not to put words in your mouth, they fit perfectly with that shoe already in there.

start acting like a standup poster, you'll have to start after this thread though, because this thread was low and dishonest.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:06 PM
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81. Question YOU must answer: Did Wright's words or Jackson Stephens' BCCI lead to 9-11?
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:07 PM by blm
Did Jackson Stephens bankroll Clintons' careers in Arkansas and what did he get in return for underwriting Bill's primary campaign? Did Clintons deep-six BCCI matters for Stephens and GHWBush?

Could the millions of dollars now being pumped into the Clintons' bank account by Dubai and Saudi royals and other BCCI figures protected by the deep-sixing of BCCI matters, be considered payoff for their protection of the secrecy and privilege of the powerful elite involved with GHWBush's illegal operations?
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:09 PM
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83. The mass media won't raise these questions in the general
And even if they did, the public wouldn't understand them.

They do understand Wright.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:13 PM
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85. In other words - YOU would rather Wright be an issue and those whose actions LED to 9-11 shouldn't
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:14 PM by blm
If honest and open government WAS important to you you would fight for it.


And....do you really think the RW wouldn't have found a way to question the millions of dollars Dubai and Saudi royals are putting into Clintons' bank accounts?

Really?
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:15 PM
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86. It wouldn't be a "sexy" issue the way Wright is
And I don't think it'd take off in the general. It's not that I don't want to talk about it. It's that I don't think the media would.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:22 PM
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91. millions of dollars funneled into Clintons' bank accounts by the same people who
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:23 PM by blm
staked BCCI bank AND who were being given our PORTS by Bush?

Do you REMEMBER the backlash on the ports deal that Bush tried to push past the American people?

SAME DUBAI ROYALS. People will GET IT now.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:45 PM
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97. Oh, trust me, terrorism is "sexy" to the GOP
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:46 PM by VolcanoJen
It's all they fucking have, because they can't run on eight years of War and Misery and Hurricanes and Foreclosures and The Euro. Terror is all McCain's running on. It's impossible to tie Barack to scary Muslim people in terms of policy and real action, so they just call him "B. Hussein Obama" and say some guy who gave him $200 used to bomb stuff as a hippie when Barack was eight years old.

But the Clintons? Oh, shit. We're talking 16+ years of oppo. 8 years of fresh, shiny, sexy oppo that Obama hasn't brought up because he's trying to run a campaign that actually matters.

But come the fall, McCain and the GOP would morph Clinton into a commie-sympathizing feminazi whose husband enabled terrorists.

You folks really need to hone your "anticipating future wingnut attacks" skills. You're living in the now way, way too much.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:21 PM
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90. Hugh Hewitt's RW talking points posted on DU
And there are people agreeing with it. :crazy:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:34 PM
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95. Since this is allowed, let's post the direct link to Hillary supporters' approved Hugh Hewitt:
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:34 PM by ProSense
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:25 PM
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102. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
You're messing with the "Andy Sullivan Thinks Obama Needs To Answer 99 Questions Which Only Matter To Hillary Supporters and Upper Wingnuttia" Meme!!

Enough with the big speeches, and the rallies, and the links.

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:26 PM
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92. Have you gotten the Zogby tracking for tonight yet?
Just wondering...doesn't it come out at 11?
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. Not until midnight ET unfortunately
but I will. I'm waiting for it.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:34 PM
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103. who are the geniuses that recommended this thread?
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:56 PM by CreekDog
Hugh Hewitt wrote these questions, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

Russert, of course, has all the ability to drill down, the question is whether he will use those formidable skills. What is most obviously missing from the public record about Obama are details as to his life after his graduation from Columbia and prior ro 2004. Tim Russert would do us all a great favor if he asked all of these questions:

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

What year did you join Trinity Church?

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

How often did you attend services there? (This requires follow-up after the inevitable ambiguous answer. Wwas it quarterly, monthly, weekly? Did you belong to any of the church's many organizations, like a men's fellowship? These aren't trick questions. Any church member knows exactly how often they go to church, and the patterns don't change much after they are set.)

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When you attended the Million Man March, did you go with a group of men from Trinity? Did you see Pastor Wright on that trip?

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

How often would you see Pastor Wright in a setting away from church.

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Did you go out to dinner together? Socialize together? Travel together?

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

You heard him preach on "white man's greed," that's in your memoir Dreams from My Father. And when you told him he couldn't deliver the opening prayer at your campaign kick-off, you said it was because he could be "a little rough." How often did you hear him preach on the greed of white people, and what did you mean by "a little rough."

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I'd like to know about your friendship with Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers.

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They hosted an event for you when you ran for state senate, right?

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Bernadine Dohrn worked at Sidley and Austin when your wife worked there, and maybe when you were a summer associate there, is that correct?

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You and William Ayers served on a foundation board together, correct?

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So how well do you know them and how often have you seen them over the past dozen years?

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Did you ever socialize with them?

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

Let's talk about Tony Rezko. He helped you buy your house? Did you have any other business dealings with him at all?

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Did you socialize with him? Attend events at his home?

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

Michelle Obama gave a speech a week ago Friday in which she bemoaned how much you two had been in debt until you wrote your two best-sellers. How much had you been in debt?

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She also talked about the burdens of the student loans you two had accumulated. How much had you two borrowed to get through college and law school?

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Did you receive financial aid other than loans from Columbia or Harvard Law?

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Harvard Law has a program that encourages new grads to go into public interest work. Were there any such incentives or encouragements when you left Harvard Law School?

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Do you think the country has made great progress on race relations?

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

Do you believe the government had anything to do with inventing AIDs? (Creekdog note: he answered this, why ask him again, because the point is to ask him, not to get the answer)

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Your church bulletin had some amazing things in it, which can fairly be described as extremely anti-Israel and some would say anti-semitic, such as the charge that Israel was developing a bomb that would kill only Arabs. Did you ever read anything in one of the Trinity bulletins that caused you to approach the leadership of the church and ask for more judgment or balance in the publications?

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People are worried about your judgment. There's your friendship with Pastor Wright, and you say you didn't know about his quote rants." There's your friendship with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, and you say you were 8 when they were blowing up people and buildings, but in November of 2007 they said horrible things about the U.S. There's Tony Rezko, your business partner on the land deal which makes him your neighbor, and now he's in the dock.

Hugh Hewitt wrote this question, thank you for recommending what Hugh Hewitt said to us Democrats:

How can people be confident that your judgment about people has improved?


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perhaps recommenders didn't know these were all by Hugh Hewitt, but how would they? The original poster did not mention who wrote the questions, the OP who usually sources their posts so well seemed to imply that Andrew Sullivan wrote it.

Well, Golly! :hi:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:34 AM
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105. The people who recommended this thread know Hugh Hewitt wrote those talking points.
And they don't mind, not one bit.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

It's been the Clinton strategy ever since it became politically expedient for them. They don't mind embracing their own sworn enemies, the very "VRWC" she vilified during her husband's impeachment. I agreed with her, and him, then.

And now, I find it simply nauseating and transparent. The nation does not need four more years of pandering and flip-flopping. It's maddening to me, to watch the people I respected, defended and voted for behave in such a manner.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:05 AM
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107. And doesn't seem like any of the recommenders are defending this
I think agree with you. :hi:
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