Hillary is giving everythihng she's got in this campaign.

[Skip Intro]

If she doesn't win, at least she fought. She NEVER gave up.


I think things are turning her way. I think she'll win IN, and I woudln't be surprised by an upset in NC.

But no matter what happens, we know she isn't a quitter. She's a fighter. She's brave. She's tough.

Not bad qualities for a president.


To Hillary Clinton...

:toast:

[goldcanyonaz]

1. SHe is a FIGHTER!! She is the one!

[eridani]

26. She only fights Dems. She rolls right over for Rethugs n/t

[rodeodance]

40. Obama has done plenty of praising Repugs.

[denem]

44. Thatcher was tougher, fought harder, and didnt need Mark Penn

to tell her what to do. 1982 - she had the whole country against her and remarked "You turn if you want to, the lady's not for turning."

[Dogmudgeon]

50. You a fan of hers?

--p!

[denem]

55. "I lived a few years in that nightmare."

#41 - My earlier post.

[eridani]

58. He's broken with Rethug FRAMING much more often, though n/t

[RBInMaine]

2. A fighter yes, but at the expenseof too much of her integrity. Kitchen sink doesn't cut it.

[Vote2008]

3. What a wrong analysis.......

So huckabee should not have gave up either???

He could still try to get committed delegates to change their minds.

Maybe try to destroy McCain before the convention and then ask for a floor vote.

Hillary's failure to admit she has lost does not equate to being tough. Just an egomaniac.

[Skip Intro]

6. non-koolaid drinkers can see through that bullshit spin, you know...

[Vote2008]

8. So if she fights the DNC the whole convention then you will be more proud of her??? Stupid!

[Skip Intro]

13. I am extremely proud of her. The Obama camp's whining that she should just drop out

that there's too much democracy going on, has no effect on me other than to feel some brotherly sadness for those repating, without perspective, the enivitablility argument for Obama.

[LVjinx]

27. I agree... Team Obama definitely wins the whine contest.

And the "anyone who disagrees with anything Obama says is a racist" contest to... I think they'll find, sadly, in the general, that America has grown tired of race-baiting. All this crying wolf can do from here on out is harm Obama. Sure, they successfully manipulated people's emotions to hurt the Clintons in South Carolina, but they've used it up now.

[Bluebear]

18. People who say "should not have gave up" shouldn't call people stupid

[MyNameGoesHere]

56. Stupid> Is that a catch word from the unity, hope and change hand book? n/t

[Beacool]

76. Huckbee was nowhere near McCain

in either popular vote or delegates. Hillary and Obama are almost neck to neck.

[jillan]

4. She sure won me over!

No, she's not perfect, but I think she's a great lady and I am proud to support her.

[rodeodance]

41. Neither are perfect. I support her because of her strong policies and her abilty

to enact them.

[Vote2008]

5. She is also giving up her future in this party at the national level!

[Auntie Bush]

61. How so?

Or is that just wishful thinking or spiked you know what?

[MADem]

7. I like her! She earned my vote! nt

[emilyg]

12. And mine.

[VolcanoJen]

9. I only wish she'd been fighting this hard since she won her Senate seat in 2000.

Was she fighting for us when she took her stand and voted for Bush's war?

Where has she been on the Gas Tax Holiday as prices rose during his entire administration? Where has she been in the Senate, with her celebrity and constant open microphone, when it came to fighting for US for the last eight years, not just the last eight weeks?

I'll give you this much... when it comes to Hillary's ambition, Hillary's a fighter. Bully for her. But not for me.

[Hoof Hearted]

10. Nice of you to say.

[BigBearJohn]

11. Madam President!

[Amimnoch]

14. Both candidates have had a groundbreaking run.

I supported Senator Clinton in the Texas primary and caucus, for me that phase of the election process is over, other than supporting with my opinion.

I think both candidates in this historic election have made an excellent run, and will proudly pull support either come November.

[d00mzday]

15. What will be her legacy

How will Hillary be remembered? As a fighter or how she fought? After all Mike Tyson was a fighter in his own way, but after he bit holyfield's ear off in the ring. How is Iron Mike remembered today?

[StevieM]

24. She'll be remembered--if she doesn't win--as a woman who was unjustly smeared by a bunch of people

who ran a campaign of personal destruction, with the media as blatant accomplices.

Steve

[GoesTo11]

16. Hulk Hogan for president?

He's a fighter. He's brave. He's tough.

Maybe there are other qualities we should look for too.

[Rosemary2205]

54. AND he does his homework and eats his veggies!

:)

[gcomeau]

17. Being a fighter alone isn't something to automatically be proud of.

Rove is a fighter. We don't cheer him for it. How you choose to fight matters.

Bush is a fighter. He fights almost the whole damn country with the sure and certain fortitude of someone who "knows" they're right and damn the evidence. We don't applaud him for it either.

And I am sure as hell not applauding the person swinging a crowbar at the knees of the Democratic candidate sufficiently far in the lead at late enough in the race that it is almost mathematically impossible they will not be the nominee... because they're "a fighter" and damn the consequences.

[Triana]

19. No. She's destroying everything we've got in this campaign. And everything we ARE.

And everything Democrats have ever stood for. LaDeDa.

[LVjinx]

28. Because she doesn't roll over and play dead?

She's a leader. Obama is a follower. She's tough, Obama is weak. Obama and Clinton's policies aren't all that different, and yet there's a concerted and extremely dishonest (ok, flat out lying) on the part of the Obama camp to say otherwise. Why aren't we talking about what HE'S done to drag this debate down? Not only digging up the politics of the past, but deploying an endless barrage of race-baiting in a cynical attempt to turn black voters against the Clintons for his own benefit.

Sickening. He might seize the nomination, but he does not deserve the presidency.

[d00mzday]

35. She is a leader?

She followed Bush into a war without reading the papers. She talks tough when she is winning and cries when she is loosing. Hey nobody forced her to open her flap with Bosnia, and the sniper fire. Digging up old politics from her past is fair game as it questions her ability to lead us into the future. She underestimated Obama and is suffering because of that. She seems to have a history of making poor judgment calls. According to Hillary it took a Clinton to clean up the first Bush mess. People are realizing it is time for truly new leadership to clean up both the Bush's and Clinton's mess.

[bhikkhu]

20. I like what I have seen of her NC campaign.

No harm in saying...but the odds are heavily stacked against her, 40 states into the contest. I believe (hope) things will end very well regardless, and her campaign will be a net positive for the party and a great credit to her.

[Diane R]

21. I don't want someone who is always fighting with people. I want someone with good judgement.

[aquarius dawning]

30. Obama loses the "good judgement" argument after spending 20 years at the trinity church

listening to Rev Wright and Rev. Moss hating America and white people.

[gal]

45. Good judgement = what?

You think voting for war without reading the papers is good judgement?
You think supporting your husband while he lied to the American People and is under grounds for impeachment is good judgement?
You think supporting NAFTA was good judgement?
You think Whitewater was good judgement?
You think being involved with Peter Paul was good judement?
You think pardoning known terrorist was good judgement?
You think saying "screw em" about the American people after you lose a primary is good judgement?

Hmm someone sitting in a pew at Trinity Church doesn't sound so bad to me...

[Diane R]

57. And Hillary loses the good judgement argument after staying with an adulterer for almost 40 years.

[anigbrowl]

22. Giving everything she's got...

[denem]

23. Not bad qualities for a Führer either.

[Lyric]

34. Godwin's Law strikes again

Epic Fail. You lose.

[denem]

38. Godwin? No! Absolutely Historically Accurate: "Scorched Earth"

The Führer fought on when things were bad, worse and hopeless. "In 1945, Adolf Hitler, desperately attempting to save Nazi Germany from the Allies and the Soviet Union, ordered Albert Speer, his armaments minister, to carry out the nationwide scorched earth policy, in what was termed the Nero Order." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth . Hitler decided it was over when the Russians were about a block away.

But C'mon the comment was a snark on the 'virtue' of fighting to the bitter end. From HRC's perspective, a better example would be Churchill "... and never ever surrender".

[Forkboy]

25. Yeah, I noticed that.

[Window]

29. Everything she's got and then some...

shit she borrowed from Karl Rove and other dirty players.

[bowens43]

31. HIllary isn't giving anything.

HIllary is a taker not a giver. Hillary cares about hillary and power, nothing else. Don't confuse blind ambition, arrogance and lust for power with bravery.

[Skidmore]

32. A lot of people saw stubbornness and aggressiveness as *'s

best qualities too. Now the nation and the world understand that belligerence and bellicosity are the tools of tyrants and bullyboys. Hillary appears to be running for Bush's title of bullyboy-in-chief. Don't like these qualities in either a man or a woman.

[Dogmudgeon]

48. Obama would *never* bully anyone

He has his subordinates do it for him.

--p!

[C_U_L8R]

33. There are many ways to fight and not all fighters are winners

Some just punch themselves out

[susankh4]

36. I will stand by her til the end!

She is one tough cookie.

[rodrigo2xxx]

37. clintons are cheating... just that

The clintons did not support AL GORE, they did not support JOHN KERRY, they are not DEMOCRATS, they are sold to the republicans for long now.

[Dogmudgeon]

49. You lose.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6328991/">Thousands cheer Clinton at Philly rally for Kerry

Your hate-mongering stinks, too.

--p!

[rodeodance]

39. I raise a glass with you--to Hillary.

[kentuck]

42. She is tough.

Nobody can dispute that.

[denem]

43. So was Thatcher

I lived a few years in that nightmare.

[Orsino]

46. In some ways, yes.

I think she has incredible stamina, and has it in her to become a champion of progressive causes. She has chosen success instead, though, knowing that real progressivism won't put (or keep) her in office.

It's a pity, and all too common these days (as even Obama's campaign shows).

[ProSense]

47. A toast to Hillary best dirty, nasty Republican-like campaign. Long live Rovian tactics. n/t

[saltpoint]

51. The Clinton campaign is working the "She's tough, she's a fighter"

theme pretty hard, complete with knocking down shots and duck-hunting no less, so your predictions on Indiana might be valid.

At the same time, McCain is being handed a free head start, and a lot of county-level Democratic people see their local Democratic candidates hurt by giving the Pukes any advantage. And in significant numbers, they do not want Sen. Clinton at the top of our ticket, or on the ticket at all.

Democrats can't win without independents and we can't win independents in large numbers with Hillary Clinton. She repels a lot of people who weren't hogwild about the Clintons in the 90s and those folks have seen nothing to change their minds this winter and spring. That's why Obama polls so well among independents, and that's why the SDs are bleeding his direction and not hers.

[livetohike]

52. Too bad the Clintons didn't fight this hard against going to war

They only fight for themselves.

[blm]

53. She's fighting for HERSELF and using deception to do it. Ever see her do it for US or

the Democratic party?

Ever see her stick her neck out to oppose Bush and Rove the last 7 years and lead a fight for ANY Dem issue?

She never used the truth as a foundation for a fight for US, but she'll stand on a foundation of deception to fight for herself and the powerful elite who surround her mission.

[democrattotheend]

59. I agree. I give her props for that.

I just hope that she will apply that determination to get a Democrat in the White House in November, win or lose the nomination. I take her at her word on what she said last night about working her heart out to help Obama get elected if he is the nominee. And I hope he will do the same if she is the nominee.

[Armstead]

60. Sorry but all I can see is that she;s fighting for herself.

Why wasn;t she this fiery and "populist" before she started running for President?

Gas prices have been getting jacked up for at least six years, and I didn;t see her pushing anything like a gas-tax holiday before.

And her sudden image as a "working class girl." Has anyone asked her how many times she stopped into a neighborhood bar or went to a NASCAR evebnt before she started running for president?

And muddying up Obama as an "elitist" is unforgivable.

Shje wants to be Prtesident and she'll do anything to get there...But if she does...Well, remember the last scene in the movie The Candidate? "What do we do now?"

[Tellurian]

62. Hillary will be fine...In the end she will prevail.

Obama has been around so long, the newness of his campaign is shop worn from so much handling. Obama needed to close from Feb 5th on... he hasn't been able to do it. He's peaked. The longer this campaign goes on the weaker he becomes from all the media scrutiny. Obama should have taken Guam by 60 %. And he should have been able to shut out Hillary.. Today was a big loss for him and a strategic disappointment. IOW..If you can't even win Guam...

[Gore1FL]

63. You are seriously using a loss in Guam

as proof Clinton should win?


Seriously?

She should have ad this closed out on Feb 5th. If she had, her plan A would have worked and it wouldn;t have taken her 2 months to come up with a plan B.

[rug]

64. You are seriously pegging a post to 7 votes in Guam?

Seriously?

[Gore1FL]

66. Pegging a post?

I'm not sure what that means.

But I do know this much: If Hillary won all four on Guam's she'd still be behind to far in the overall delegate lead to catch up. Proclaiming a 2-2 delegate split in a loss as proof that Obama is going to lose is a laughable argument.

What about "insurmountable lead" is so hard to understand?

[Tellurian]

77. Hillary is implementing Plan B

[Gore1FL]

79. She needs to go to plan C then

because she has to do better in the states she has a chance to win.

Otherwise she is ending up at plan D--Defeat as there is no compelling rationale that has her winning the nomination at her current pace.

[PseudoIntellect]

67. "Obama needed to close from Feb 5th on... he hasn't been able to do it."

Yeah, he should have closed after February 5th. It's a shame he couldn't rack up a streak of 10 or 11 victories right afterward to look convincing. OH, WAIT...

"He's peaked. The longer this campaign goes on the weaker he becomes from all the media scrutiny."

Hillary peaked last November and now has a majority negative rating. Members of both parties believe Obama is more electable. GOP'ers would rather run against Hillary. The quicker the primary season ends, the better chance the Dem has to win.

"Obama should have taken Guam by 60 %."

Obama has picked up 2 superdelegates from Guam so far to Hillary's 0. The pledged delegates were assumed to split 2-2 either way and don't vote in the GE. They have no bearing on the electability argument.

"..If you can't even win Guam..."

I guess they're both doomed in the GE, then, since neither could get a convincing win in Guam.

[Quixote1818]

65. So did Joe Lieberman!

:puke:

[TheDonkey]

68. She never stopped lying, smearing, destroying, shilling, embrassing, eroding, lying some more...

[Arugula Latte]

69. Hillary fights for Hillary; Obama fights for us all.

Sad to say, although I used to defend her, I cannot stand Hillary Clinton anymore, not after the crap she's pulled in this campaign.

[SwampG8r]

70. yep hillary

shes got what it takes to take what youve got
and then not pay her bills with it

[Zhade]

71. She fought, true. Fought dirty.

NT!

[jenmito]

72. She was the inevitable nominee from the start. OBAMA is the fighter. He is BEATING the "inevitable

nominee" with an ex-president husband. He came out of nowhere, jumping over every single bar that was set!

To Barack Obama...
:toast:

[dennysp]

74. DITTO!!! No one even gave Obama a serious consideration

in this race until February! He didn't even get the African American vote until then. He wasn't "Black enough", remember???? Yeah, Hillary would rather see a Republican in the White House, than see Obama win the Presidency. She's fighting right now so that she can make sure Obama loses the general election....she's campaigning for 2012!!! Yeah, go ahead....cut the baby in half!!!

[Spider Jerusalem]

73. Where was her fighting spirit for the past seven years?

You know, I'd buy the 'Hillary is a FIGHTER' nonsense if she'd actually displayed some spine on things like the IWR and the bankruptcy bill. She didn't. Not when it counted. She's shown more fight against the presumptive Democratic nominee (presumptive nominee, because he has a lead in delegates that she can't hope to surpass) than she has against the most destructive policies of the Bush administration. I don't see the ego and ambition that have driven her to keep going in the face of the inevitable as good qualities for a president; quite the contrary. In her inability to accept painful and obvious defeat, in her valuing of loyalty above competence in her advisors, in her attitude towards her fellow Democrats 'you're with me, or you're the enemy' (see: 'Bill Richardson is a Judas', etc), she displays exactly the qualities that I, for one, do NOT want in a President; we've already HAD a president with those qualities, and it's been a bad seven years so far.

[Beacool]

75. Hear, hear!!!

To Hillary!!!!!!!!

:toast:

[KansasVoter]

78. She should be embarassed!!! She lost what was hers!