This is Why Hillary has lost

[FrenchieCat]

The primary and the GE:

Her Sky high solidified Negatives

Lack of trust from voters

Her war vote

Her pandering and gimmicks like a Gas Tax holiday panned by every economist there is.

Her alienation of Black folks/young folks/Indies based on her negative campaigning.

Without the traditional Democratic base which includes those whose vote she currently says doesn't count; you know, the people that aren't the "regular" "real" people, she can't win. She should ask Gore and Kerry how not close it will be for her.

The fact that the GOP are trying to set her up for the win now, so that they can beat her later.

The fact that the GOP will hammer her on all that they are holding on to for now. All of the shit that Barack refuses to use.

The Reagan Democrats will do what they do every election since Reagan; vote for a Republican.....since they like "Moderate" Republicans.

Many won't vote for her because she's a woman.

The fact that Obama has had to run against her, her husband, McCain, the GOP/Rush's Operation Chaos, the Corporate Media and the racists and try to be as positive as possible, all the while having the Kitchen sink thrown at him.......and is still winning in the count that counts, pledged delegates.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Many won't vote for her because she's a woman. *cough* he is black *cough*

I will NEVER vote for Obama and you will NEVER vote for Clinton. We gots us a dilemma, no?

[donheld]

2. I will vote for who ever one gets the nomination.

[goldcanyonaz]

3. Good news, I will mark you down for a healing thread after this is decided.

[FrenchieCat]

4. That is Hillary's entire claim as to why she's better than Obama.....

Because Obama is Black.

So, I say, more folks will not vote for a Republican Lite when they can vote for a War hero.....I'm talking about those Reagan "regular folks" used to be Democrats; her new base.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Quit with the race baiting shit. She has NEVER said such a thing.

[FrenchieCat]

7. No, you did.....

*cough* he is black *cough*

and so does most other Hillary supporters, including her campaign.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. You brought up her being a woman first. HELLO?????

[FrenchieCat]

11. I don't deny that......

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/71_willing_to_vote_for_woman_president_73_for_african_american

[grantcart]

17. your emphasis was wrong

it should have been she never SAID such a thing. Its all wink and nod. Keep emphasizing things like 'our people' and not having to waste time on all of those 'other issues'

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/black-congressman-denounces-b-clintons-remarks/

Representative James E. Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate from South Carolina who is the Democratic whip in the House, said that “black people are incensed over all of this,” referring to statements that Mr. Clinton had made in the course of the heated race between his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama.

[True_Blue]

13. You have a link to that claim?

That's what I thought....

[FrenchieCat]

21. Bush never did say that he wanted to take us to war, but he did.....

It's been implied enough times!



"there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate"


"Jesse Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."



"He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”


"there's a difference between denouncing and rejecting."


denouncing and rejecting This guy




Ed Rendel Endorses Louis Farrakhan, same guy Hillary wanted Obama to denounce and renounce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

[FlyingSquirrel]

5. I simply can't bring myself to vote for

a white male this year.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. Frenchie, could you visit this thread. This was a great young black man.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5792959&mesg_id=5792959

[FrenchieCat]

12. Very tragic and sad, regardless of his race.

I marched twice against the war. I tried. :cry:

[goldcanyonaz]

30. DId you visit his charity? He did not die in vain.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. FUCK the Reagan Democrats

Joe Sixpack can blow me ;)

[leftofcool]

27. Sure they only make up half the Dems in this country

[True_Blue]

14. I'm tired of men screwing everything up

Go Hillary!

[sandnsea]

20. But she joined the men

In voting for the IWR. In repeating the saber rattling before the invasion. In completely supporting the invasion. In saying we needed to stay the course. In opposing timetables and benchmarks until she started running for President. In voting for Kyl-Lieberman. In proposing we stick ourselves even further into the ME fighting with her Security Umbrella and vowing to obliterate countries. I can't see how she'd be any different than the men.

[dailykoff]

24. She's been offereing her services to the MIC

since before she worked for Gerald Ford and the Congressional Republican Committee.

[davidpdx]

15. The alienation factor is one of the big reasons why Clinton is losing

and the fact that her campaign underestimated Obama, misspent funds, hired the wrong people and so on.

I get tired of hearing the endless drivel about how caucus states don't count, red states don't count. So how many states count?

Her and her supporters have continually insulted people in so many states. I'm waiting for her to lose Oregon so she (and her supporters) can insult them as well. I can hear it now, "those elitist, latte loving, peace-mongers in Oregon".

[JanErikFl]

16. Black preachers rally around Obama's ex-pastor, but parishioners are wary

In interviews at churches in cities and towns including Charlotte, Greensboro, Lumberton and Goldsboro, ministers expressed the view that Mr. Obama and Mr. Wright had been attacked by a superficial and biased news media. Many said they were teaching Mr. Wright’s sermons in Bible study classes. They are delivering lectures on the roots of Mr. Wright’s style of ministry and preaching against what they see as attempts to make Mr. Wright a divisive figure

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24420115/

[FrenchieCat]

23. But.....

Many are wary of Bill Clinton's immoral acts, but somehow, Hillary doesn't have to answer for how Bill lied to the American people....and he was a man that she chose.

Hell, she doesn't have to answer for her IWR vote, for that matter. :shrug:

But she will, if she is the nominee....which is why she won't be.

[grantcart]

18. She lost because she over estimated her strengths and underestimated her opponents

which ironically is exactly the same problem Rumsfield had.

[Skidmore]

25. Yes, and that combination says to me that she would be incompetent

at governance. The choices she has made in this campaign regarding finances, personnel, and tactics speak volumes about her lack managerial skills and judgment. Her ability to insult everyone under the sun speaks to her divisiveness.

[spoony]

19. "Reagan Democrats" is a mind-boggling term

It's like saying "Siberian nudists." The two just don't go together!

[FrenchieCat]

22. Hunting and drinking and pandering to them won't win her any votes

in the GE.....she just wants us to think that they will.

It will only make "Operation Chaos" a success!

[dailykoff]

26. She lost the nomination long ago. Now it's all about wrecking Obama's first term.

And for once she's doing a good job.

[Dogmudgeon]

28. "All of the shit that Barack refuses to use. "

He just directs other people to use that shit for him.

Well, actually, he gets David Axelrod to issue the orders.

Clean hands, don't you know.

--p!

[Bensthename]

29. Your last statement is so true. It is amazing he is doing this well.

President Clinton / Senator Clinton / GOP / MSM VS. Obama... And the fact that Obama is able to beat all of them at the same time is remarkable.. Soon the Clinton team will be out and he will be down to GOP and MSM, which will make it even easier for him to win.. Especially with McCain's own gaffs lately, he will be easy pickens, and hopefully MSM will treat the race more fairly with their queen out of the race..