I've heard Obama mention that he grew up on foodstamps

[senseandsensibility]

and I understand why he does this. It's to show that he is from a humble background, unlike Hillary and McSame. It's to demonstrate how ridiculous their charges of elitism are.

I understand why he's doing it, and as a "latte liberal", I find it motivating, touching, and relevant.

But here's why I think it could backfire: The "Joe Sixpacks" won't see it that way. I grew up in such a family. Many of these hard working, lower income types actually RESENT those on foodstamps, as hard as it may be for us to understand or relate to that. To them, it's unearned income. Some actually resent those who receive foodstamps more than huge corporations that break unions and tax workers to pay for THEIR employees' healthcare. Of course, thanks to our dreadful media, they don't really hear about the latter too much.

So I would respectfully suggest that he nix the foodstamp reference and just emphasize his humble upbringing with a single mother using other examples, which I'm sure he has in abundance. Just my my opinion, but I am basing it on a lifetime of exposure to the kind of voter that Obama is trying to reach.

[Vinca]

1. Jeez - he can't win, can he? I say he should just tell the truth.

You'd be surprised how many "Joe Six-Packs" are supplementing the family food budget at food pantries and the like. They might not be getting food stamps, but they understand it.

[rucky]

2. They'll still call him elitist

because he doesn't know his place.

[Hieronymus]

98. Elitist, latte drinker, arugula eater, right out of Karl Rove's playbook...

Hillary has no imagination .. she imitates republicans, even down to the gas tax holiday.

[jody]

3. Good point. Rather that identifying with the working class, BO may be viewed with those who use the

welfare system rather than work for a living.

[dana_b]

5. which is absolute crap (as the OP inferred) because

he had a single mom who probably did work but needed help. My mom was a single mom, worked 50+ hours a week, dad refused to pay child support, and so she had to get food stamps in order for her three kids to eat. How is that free loading?? I don't understand.

[jody]

12. My, you are filled with anger. Try to get over it and have a nice day. n/t

[dana_b]

81. oh, thank you so much. that helps tremendously.

:sarcasm:

you're not angry?? you think everything's okay and it's perfectly fine to attack people who need assistance? My, must be nice to live in such a perfect, beautiful world.

[jody]

82. I've read nothing in BO's background that even remotely suggests he was poor & deprived. IMO those

who spread that myth will ultimately harm him.

[stillcool]

13. Wow...I guess you don't approve..

of food stamps, eh? You have something against people that fall on hard times, and use what the government makes available to them to help them out? Or do you just believe that Obama's mother was 'gaming the system'? Isn't that accusation reserved for black people?

[jody]

15. I said "BO may be viewed". The fact that you did not understand that simple statement suggests you

have a reading comprehension problem.

[stillcool]

24. I just read the words as ...

as they appeared on the page.....Who is it that still ascribes to the belief that there is a large contingent of those who use the welfare system rather than work for a living.

[jody]

30. Your citation has nothing to do with my statement. Have a nice day. n/t

[Skidmore]

32. Lord, I hope that you are not representative of what the Democratic Party

would become under the DLC.

[jody]

33. Why, just because I suggested some of the electorate may indeed view BO as an elitist? n/t

[Skidmore]

53. No, because you don't recognize the elitism in yourself...

you sound like the typeical GWB-type campassionate conservative.

[jody]

58. "campassionate [sic] conservative"! Was that a Freudian slip or just poor spelling skills? n/t

[Skidmore]

69. Typo, but you apparently missed the point.

[jody]

77. Unless you have ESP, I don't believe you can judge any person purely by what they write. Goodbye! nt

[bigbrother05]

34. You can't get food stamps without showing you have income to buy them

and a place to prepare meals. WIC is another program that helps the working poor to feed their kids while pulling themselves up.

[fight4my3sons]

37. WIC is ages 0-5 n/t

[jody]

39. I understand WIC but that's not my point. Have a nice day. n/t

[fight4my3sons]

51. you're a pleasant one aren't you? and I was not replying to you.

:hi:

[jody]

56. Nor did I reply to you. have a nice day. n/t

[fight4my3sons]

68. sorry, you didn't

[sandnsea]

44. Any low income person can get food stamps

You don't need a place to prepare meals in order to be able to eat sardines and crackers, for instance. And you haven't had to buy them since the 70's.

[bigbrother05]

57. Thought we were talking about when Obama was a kid

Was relating personal experience from a similar time frame to his reference. Lots of folks putting themselves through school and raising kids have been in the system. Even now, there are many Soldiers and their Families that qualify for food stamps.

I will never judge or look down on anyone that has accepted it when a hand up is offered.

[sandnsea]

67. Ah, okay

Yes, there were different rules at that time, I see what you meant. I didn't think you were judging, I was just adding info. I can't believe some of the other answers in this thread, however. Maybe they should add a warning to the food stamps envelope, 'children of recipients should forget politics and any career in the public eye'. What a pathetic thread for a progressive board.

[Hoof Hearted]

71. That's not true. Not every low income person can get food stamps.

Many cannot, as a matter of fact.

[sandnsea]

74. If they meet the income requirements, they can

You can pick up emergency food stamps at the office, if necessary. There are lots of ways people can be helped if the local office does their job correctly.

[Hoof Hearted]

101. Your post said ANY low income person can get foodstamps - that is far from being true

Many, MANY with incomes below the poverty line are not eligible for food stamps.

Food stamps are only partly tied to income. Let's say a 56 year old woman living alone in a modest home that she owns suddenly finds herself without her crappy job and unemployed. Now she's looking at about 3 to 7 months to find a job. If that woman was lucky enough and responsible enough to have even the tiniest bit of money saved away she will be ineligible. No food stamps for her. She won't be eligible till she's exhausted her resources. She ends up hungry and in foreclosure.

Be sure this happens many times, every day.

ANY low income person cannot get food stamps. Many cannot.

[fight4my3sons]

35. "those who use the welfare system rather than work for a living"

Do you have a fucking clue at all what you are talking about?

I am one of those on 'welfare' and find your post insulting. My husband works at least 60 hours a week. He has a college education. He works with adolescents at a school and on an admitting unit who have been classified as emotionally disturbed. He is overqualified and underpaid. Even though he works 20 hours overtime every week we still qualify for food stamps, medicaid and WIC benefits.

I have a BA in sociology and did social work before getting a MS in Education. Before having my children I worked at Head Start when welfare reform went through. Almost all of the families on my caseload received benefits through the department of social services. You have to go to work within a cerain time period to receive food stamps, medicaid and TANF.

[jody]

41. Yes I do and my statement speculating about how others could view BO's claim is correct. n/t

[fight4my3sons]

52. Wow, a mind reader.

Someone who thinks they are right. Never came across anyone like that before. :eyes:

[jody]

55. I said nothing that can be remotely read as "mind reading" by an intelligent reader. n/t

[dogday]

76. Since a lot can't make a living wage in this country, extra help is

needed in the way of food.. Got news for you, working people need food stamps too...

Ignorance at last I found you.... :shrug:

[jody]

79. My statement speculated about how some in the electorate might view BO. IMO you found ignorance

a long time ago.

[dogday]

84. When I found you

what a waste of space..... Hope your time here will be short....

[jody]

88. I've been here since the beginning of DU. n/t

[dogday]

90. Doesn't make you any less rude....

and BTW neither candidate is my choice, however I will support and vote for the Dem nominee... I honestly thought you were being ignorant as did others who read your post....

[jody]

92. I'll vote for the Dem candidate as I have since I started voting first for Adlai Stevenson.

[dogday]

100. I am the mom of a soldier who fought and was injured in Iraq...

Although I don't believe in the war, I believe in my Son's service, and that is why I will vote a straight Dem ticket each and every time...

Best of luck to you, and thanks for being such a great Democrat :thumbsup:

[jody]

103. My bumper sticker says "Bush Lied" and my trunk has a yellow ribbon "Support Our Troops".

I have a close friend, a senior NCO, and his med-evac team has brought home over 1,000 wounded men and women from Iraq and Afghanistan.

His eyes always tear up when he says "I've seen enough mangled bodies to last me several life times" but he continues to do his job.

He also rides his Harley as an escort with the Patriot Guard for every military funeral in our area for fallen warriors.

People like that are heroes in their own special way.

[RBInMaine]

4. His mom was on food stamps for a certain period while she was finishing her degree.

[barb162]

38. Yes, it was not permanent poverty...he went to some snazzy schools

and lived with his grandparents, etc.

[RBInMaine]

61. Still, he wasn't "rich", by any means. Went to school in scholarships and loans recently repaid.

[PBS Poll-435]

78. Yep!

[SwampG8r]

6. sadly i agree

the most humbling aspect of Obamas american experience will be resented by a segment of america
theres ways to emphasize the experience without saying food stamps

"as a child we sometimes ate a lot of beans and rice"
"there were many months when we were uncertain of where our next meal was coming from"
or along this line
"i have known the sting of poverty in the worlds richest country and will work to lessen that sting for every american"

my grandmother who was not wealthy but was rich told me
"its no sin to be poor ,but it should be one to act poor"

[hokies4ever]

7. You're not running his campaign

and he's mentioned this MANY times before. Part of his reason why his story is only possible in America.

[senseandsensibility]

8. I'm not?

Thanks for pointing that out.

[hokies4ever]

9. Funny coming from you

a supporter of a candidate who started tanking when his $400 haircuts came under scrutiny

[senseandsensibility]

16. You're not helping Obama with that hostile attitude

which is not justified by anything in my OP. Keep up the insane vitriol alone. You're on ignore. Life is too short.

[Hoof Hearted]

72. It's the new campaign slogan - Americans are STUPID. I've seen multiple threads on the subject.

[dogday]

47. Wow!! way to make friends and impress people with your candidate...

Surely you can do better by Obama...... :hi:

[hokies4ever]

86. Makes as much sense

as people criticizing him for being a food stamps when he was younger. Would you go to a neighbor on food stamps and berate them? No? Only when it's politically in your best interests? I'm just playing the way all the Obama-haters play on this board.

[dogday]

87. And that is why I have no candidate....

What really gets accomplished by doing this?

[yy4me]

10. I don't resent those on food stamps, for many it she only way to

survive. What I do resent is the following...and I swear it is true.
I was at the checkout line at my usual market. Woman in front of me (2 kids in tow) had a huge load of food in her cart. Good stuff too, not junk food. When she paid with food stamps, my thought was that she was using the money wisely.
I did not have much in my cart so I was out to the car in no time, only to walk by her as she put all those good groceries in that back of a huge, new shiny Mercury SUV.
Hm-mm. I drive an old 1991 VW with a dent in the door, am a still-working senior with more aches and pains than you can imagine and this made my blood boil.
If she could afford the car, why the food stamps? And, I am sure it was her car, there were toys all over the back, and the kids jumped right into their booster seats.
I am not unsympathetic to the poor of our country but sometimes I think that there has to be a better way monitor this and other programs that are available. How many fewer dollars are available to those with real needs are now being used this way.

[Maine-ah]

14. it's possible it wasn't her car. Maybe she borrowed it?

did you ask?

and on edit.....

I know plenty of grandmothers whose cars have toys in it. Plus, you have to transfer car seats, or maybe grandma has car seats for the kids.

I guess what I'm sayin' is just don't assume. You don't know her story.

[Born_A_Truman]

18. And you knew that was her car?

Many years ago as a single mother I was on AFDC here in California. I had no car. My mom would loan me her car (a Cadillac at the time) when I had to drive to doctor appointments or shopping. Many times I would walk to the store with one of those little fold up carts and walk home.

I also had food stamps. Not the debit cards they have now. Coupons. And I had to buy them, they were not free. Back then, each store had their own coupons for "change", no coins.

I was buying groceries one day and had a couple of good cuts of meat and a woman in line behind me loudly proclaimed that she wished she could eat like that but she worked for a living. I turned to her and told her I would trade places with her and take her job and she could have my cancer (I had just had two cancer surgeries within 6 weeks).

Luckily I have survived 30 years with only one recurrance in 2006 and have more than paid back in taxes what was spent on me and my girls. I went back to school and earned an AA degree and was able to go to work and now have my own business.

My point is you don't know her life. You don't know if that was her new SUV or if a friend or family member let her drive it that day. I have been there.

[fight4my3sons]

29. I have a 2001 Town & Country

and receive food stamps. We purchased the car used before my husband lost his job last year that then resulted in us going through bancruptcy. He now works 20 hrs overtime very week. He is over qualified and underpaid. He works at a school and in an admitting unit with kids who are classified as emotionally disturbed.
We can't afford to feed our family and need some help. Trust me we don't get much, but are thankful for the $142 we get on the 13th of the month for our family of five. I have had cashiers look at me and treat me like I am a piece of shit when I pull out my EBT card to pay. I feel about an inch tall. My husband works hard, we aren't freeloaders, we just need some help. If we could afford childcare I would work too.
I wonder how many people have walked out behind me and thought the same thing as you when I load my kids into our used minivan that we needed because we have three kids in carseats.

[VolcanoJen]

31. Judgemental much?

You actually peer into grocery carts and inspect the wisdom of the food choices of others? Maybe you should have followed her home to see if she had granite countertops.

Wow. Who's the elitist around here?

[sniffa]

54. Also

Unless it's different in other states, food stamps are now just a debit card, and have been for some time (at least since 1999 when we had them). You won't know it's food stamps unless you see the person push the the button for it. If you see that you were probably trying to steal their password.

[sandnsea]

46. Maybe it was her parent's car

Maybe she just left an abusive husband and her parents loaned her their car until she gets on her feet. Why do people have to jump to the worst conclusion.

[IsItJustMe]

95. Judge not, least you be judged. You don't that persons story. That could of been a relatives car.

That's exactly what is wrong with this country. People judging other people when they don't know jack shit about them. Then there is the jealousy aspect to it all.

Leave people alone with your petty superficial judgments and mind your own damn business.

You are following the Ronald Reagan welfare queen model that was used to destroy our social systems over the past 28 years. Not much heart there.

[madrchsod]

11. according to reagan we were welfare queens

last year we were on food stamps for 6 months...the days of welfare queens are a faint memory because since then many of those "joe six pack" guys have been on foods stamps,their friends have been,and maybe their kids....

we can not be afraid of the dark......

[TBF]

17. As long as he's telling the truth I think it's fine - and I think he's doing

it more to target his black audience.

I am a "latte liberal" as well, and know that you are right. My dad worked in a steel mill, despite serious injuries from VietNam, and finally quit after 15 years of service. He was fully supported through the VA (imagine that - back when we supported our soldiers!), but his pride kept him working because he felt that even though he was hurt he could still contribute. At the end he couldn't pour molds anymore (he has a rare type of Agent Orange injury that caused arthritis), so he convinced his foreman to let him drive a forklift. After he made his 15 year mark, and was eligible for a minor "pension" he "retired" and started doing the operations his doctors recommended.

There is a definite strong work ethic ingrained in working-class families. And I can see why that reference might not play well with some blue-collar voters, but it will appeal to others.

In the end we will have to look at the 2 candidates in the fall and choose who is better for the country. Obviously I'm not voting my pocketbook but I hope most people do. Whether it is Hillary or Obama I want people to vote and send a message that the pillaging is over. Corporations are rich enough, their leaders are making way too much money, and it is time to go to one-payer health care and get out of Iraq. Just to start with.

[senseandsensibility]

21. Very touching story about your

Dad. He sounds like most of the people I grew up with. And of course I agree that there are many more important issues than this to concentrate on, but first we have to win the White House. And, unfortunately, that seems to involve "playing the game" to a certain degree.

[TBF]

23. Yes, I hate the game-playing but I know you're right.

[rug]

19. I hadn't heard that.

I thought he was raised in Indonesia by his mother and oil company manager stepfather and then by his bank vice president grandmother in Hawaii.

If he ever was on food stamps it would have to have been for a very brief time. If he never was on food stamps, but he said it, he's got a much bigger problem.

[senseandsensibility]

20. I think that there is absolutely no chance that he is lying

about this.

[rug]

26. When would he have been on food stamps?

They don't have them in Indonesia and bank vps don't get them.

:shrug:

[barb162]

42. I think when his mother decided to go back to school.

[TBF]

22. I don't remember from his book - did he talk about it there?

My guess would be it was when he was very young - before his mother met the stepdad and they moved to Indonesia. I just can't recall. I do remember that Obama was never wealthy. He's had opportunities, like the scholarship to private school. My guess is that his upbringing wasn't all that different from Hillary's - just that he lived in different cultures might give him some perspective.

[rug]

28. That's possible, although his father split in 63 before LBJ got food stamps enacted.

I don't believe he was wealthy but his background is far from humble. He definitely was exposed to more cultures.

[barb162]

40. I think his mother chose to not follow her husband to the east coast

[shraby]

25. Whatever he's doing, he's doing it right...

he's winning! Far be it from me to tell him how to win.

[swishyfeet]

27. Thanks for your concern

[Orsino]

36. Then Joe Six-Pack is going to loooooooove John McCain...

...who's had government-run health care for decades.

[bigbrother05]

62. Pretty much his whole life, dad was an admiral, a legacy at Annapolis

edit to add: pretty similar background to W, except he served after learning to fly.

[Auntie Bush]

43. He was only with a single mother for a few years and the rest was

spent in a normal middle class family. He's throwing his white grandmother under the bus again by failing to recognize her contribution to his upbringing. Well, she's just another old white woman so it doesn't matter.

[bigbrother05]

66. He always thanks his grandparents

and their support raising a mixed race grandchild. The only time he "threw her under the bus" was when he mentioned how even this wonderful woman could sometimes express hateful things. The point being that even the best of us, on either side of any issue, could fall back on stereotypes.

Would anyone here want to recount all the things they have heard family or friends say?

[Auntie Bush]

83. I wouldn't.

I was discussing or thinking about how long he was really on food stamps. Sorry, if he regularly thanks his Grandmother. I guess I don't listen that often.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. I agree - not a good idea.

n/t

[dcindian]

48. Not at all he overcame

And succeeded in life anyway. It is a true American story... joe sixpack loves great stories.

[EFerrari]

49. I thought exactly the same thing. You're right, imho. n/t

[senseandsensibility]

85. Thanks!

Strangely, I like people who agree with me.:hi:

[cornermouse]

50. Reality check.

He was born in '61. His father left when Obama was 2 years old, apparently sometime in '63 to go to Harvard and according to the wikipedia bio never came back. His parents were divorced in '63 and Ann remarried two years later in '65 at which time Obama was 4 or 5 years old. I'm assuming he wasn't on food stamps after his mother remarried and she went overseas in '67. So it looks to me that he was on food stamps for, at most, 3 years when he was between the age of 2 and 5. I think it's safe to assume that he was not on foodstamps after he decided he wanted to live with his grandfather and grandmother in Hawaii. I think it's safe to assume that Grandpa, who had a work history of furniture store management and salesman and Grandma, the bank Vice President, who helped pay tuition so that Obama could attend a very exclusive private school in Hawaii were not on food stamps. I would think that at the very least, the eyebrows of those overseeing the food stamp program would have shot up to their hairline if Obama and his grandparents were on food stamps while sending Barack to a private school.

[FrenchieCat]

63. I'm sorry, but is there something that you are saying that means anything?

I don't see it.

Although I read an "implication" without evidence.

Even if he were on Food Stamps for six months, he'd be telling the truth....

Barack went to private high school on financial aid, with his grandparents paying a nominal amount. Did you know that private high schools have financial aid programs?

[redstate_democrat]

64. He had a scholarship for that school

plus, seeming that you don't know much about the working poor, plenty of inner city kids go to elite "private" schools on academic scholarships, but whose parents receive food stamps and other assistance.

I can't believe you people are actually concerned with whether or not he got food stamps when that moose named Hillary Clinton never had to lift a finger for anything in her privilged life. She is the ultimate elite, having never really earned any position she has held. It was all Bill Clinton...Rose Law Firm, Bill Cliton as AG and Governor of Ark got her that, Legal Service...favor from Carter..., Board s of Walmart/TCBY...because Bill Clinton was governor, Atty of Senate Nixon Impeachments...she got it b/c Bill Clinton didn't want to work on it and he recommended her in his place, Senator of NY, she became that because of Bill Clinton's popularity as a president...she didn't even live there. Hillary has never earned a single position she has held. ELITE.

[barack the house]

59. Clearly his context shows that he has worked hard and created the American dream. It's magic.

[barack the house]

60. Clearly his context shows that he has worked hard and created the American dream. It's magic.

[SparkyMac]

65. Good point. Joe Sixpack also resents Affirmative Action children

[Hoof Hearted]

70. I know it isn't a very good selling point in with the blue collars he's trying to court

But that's all gravy to me. Let him keep doing it.

[Hansel]

73. I grew up around the Joe Sixpacks and, funny thing, most of them didn't vote.

And most had no problem whatsoever with their girlfriends feeding their kids on foodstamps while they hung out plopping down their hard earned dollars at the local pub. Most of them supported Republicans and listened to Paul Harvey and sat around telling racist jokes when they couldn't think of sexist ones. They wouldn't waste a night away from the bar to go and vote. And most wouldn't vote for Obama in the 1st place because he is black. I don't think Obama is attempting to reach Joe Sixpack with his story.

Also, does Joe Sixpack want to take on GI Joe? Because, at least when my husband was in the military, we were on foodstamps as well as most of the other families with children because this great government doesn't have enough respect for those who lay down their lives for their country to pay them a respectable wage. There is no shame in being on foodstamps and I guarantee you that anyone who thinks there is wouldn't be voting for Obama in the 1st place or any other Democrat if they were voting at all.

Joe Sixpack is not the Democratic base and Obama doesn't need to waste one breath going after them. And I'm basing that on a lifetime or exposure to Joe Sixpack. There are plenty of low and middle income people who have relatives or friends, or have themselves struggled, who don't sit around and judge others. They understand that you have to have boots to pull yourself up by them. These are the people he is trying to reach.

[IsItJustMe]

97. Well said. Thank you.

[Iceburg]

75. Its another Obama lie ... he was at a private prep schools while his mom was on food stamps

http://partisan.blogs.hopelesslypartisan.com/item_2671.htm

[jody]

80. The link you provided provides an un-sourced statement that needs to be confirmed or refuted.

"Obama was born in 1961 and lived with both his mother and father until they divorced in 1965. So no food stamps during that period as they were not available then. She then moved back in with her parents until she remarried in 1967 but the food stamp program was not available in Hawaii during those years. In 1967, after her second marriage she moved to Jakarta and there were no food stamps available to her in Jakarta. In 1971, Obama moved in with his grandparents so his mother was absent, remaining in Jakarta, and he was being raised by his grandparents who sent him to a private prep school that was quite expensive. She did not move back to Hawaii until 1974 but by then she was employed. And she returned to Indonesia in 1977 and stayed until long after Obama had graduated and so she would have not been eligible for food stamps at any period during that time." Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, returned to Hawaii in 1974 to pursue a PhD. All of this fits with what Obama said back in 2006. If his mother actually did receive food stamps, it would only have been while she was getting her PhD (1974-1977), and while the family was sending Obama to an expensive private prep school (Madelyn Dunham, Obama's grandmother, was during this time Vice-President at the Bank of Hawaii). (04/17/08)

[Rosemary2205]

91. No, it's correct.

Obama's mom was on food stamps from 74-77 while in college. I don't remember what book it was but I've read that in one of Obama's books.

I think Obama will be one heck of a great president for many reasons. I also think in spite of his privileged upbringing, he DOES have a true understanding of what it means to be at the bottom 50% economically in this country and what poverty does around the world. He DOES understand the importance of economic and social justice. I do understand why he made this statement, but he was stretching just a little and it will likely bite him in the ass. (though let's face it, just getting up still breathing every day means some dickface is going to figure out a way to use that to bite Obama in the ass. If it's not this it's something else - anything else)

[jody]

93. OK but it still needs links to credible sources, otherwise it is an unsupported assertion. n/t

[CreekDog]

89. there are ways to appeal to Joe Six Pack (someone who doesn't exist by the way)

but they are all folly if they rely on playing these word games.

because the rules of the word games constantly change, nothing you say will work, nothing you say to respond will let you win because after you do, new rules will be made to invalidate the genius thing you just said before the new rule was instituted.

this is stupid.

absolutely none of the candidates in either party can win a game like this, in a game like this the clock rules and the one whose turn it is not to get mocked right before the election wins.

there is no strategy in this.

the only good thing about this nonsense is that people are getting bored with it and it's not working.

[Buzz Clik]

94. It's hard to grow up on foodstamps. They're mostly indigestible. You need dietary supplements.

[barack the house]

96. He MUST highlight food stamps and interconnect that welfare is humanitarian aid for his own country.

It is not a negative thing to prevent people falling through the cracks in life.

[BlooInBloo]

99. Funny - I recall not so long ago when certain people attacked a no-health-insurance kid....

... and his family because the family was able to get a scholarship to send their kid to private school.

I remember what DUers said about people who would attack a family or a kid in that way. Funny to see DUers doing it themselves now.

[sfam]

102. Foodstamps are so elitist. Yet another example of how Obama is out of touch. nt