Calling all DEANIACS!!!!!

[qwlauren35]

I guess I've gone through a waking up period. After petitioning, flyering, writing, calling, blogging, rallying, house-partying and meeting up for most of last year, I must admit that I've been hibernating for nearly 4 months now! (Or shall we say, licking my wounds and getting over my disappointment... )But I know it's time for me to get on board and do my part to secure the presidency for John Kerry.

Not because I love the man. But because I don't want Bush for another 4 years. Anyone who's feeling me on this can feel free to write to me directly @ [e-mail].

What I'd like to do is to attempt to revive some of the energy that we had back in our early Dean days. Remember!?! We sent out flyers, we circulated petitions, we attended rallies, we held house parties, we blogged, we wrote letters, we made phone calls, we sent in donations. We did EVERYTHING WE COULD for Dean... and hard pill as it is to swallow, unless we want the Shrub in office, we now need to do the same for Kerry.

I'd like to begin by attempting to revise the flyers and other paraphenalia we had and make them target Kerry. I'd also like to try to find the folks who came up with multi-language flyers, and see if they are willing to do the same. I know the house parties and meet-ups are still happening. If you haven't been going, PLEASE GO, just to see what's going on.

Right now, supporting Kerry is the only way we'll ever get rid of the Shrub... so please, join me in discussing what we learned over the past year, and what we can do now to get on board with the new direction.

[jedicord]

1. You can sign up on Kerry's website...

To be an internet volunteer. Check it out:

http://volunteer.johnkerry.com/profile/new/

You go fellow Deanie!

[qwlauren35]

25. Now this is QUITE helpful.

I've signed up, and found events in my area to participate in. It feels good. Hopefully I can make a difference.

Thanks for the link.

[janx]

2. Wow. You really HAVE overslept.

Most Deaniacs I know are already supporting Kerry/Edwards and have been doing so for some time.

They're also supporting DFA.

But I admire your enthusiasm! :hi:

[Pab Sungenis]

7. I'm not.

I dislike John Kerry. Intensely. I'll vote for him, but I won't give money or pound the pavement for him.

Personally, I'm sick and tired of the lesser of two evils.

[JI7]

8. he isn't

he isn't the lesser of two evils to people like myself and others who supported him in the primary and continue to do so.

[Pab Sungenis]

9. Not intending to restart the flame wars

...but I have serious concerns about Kerry. Always have. I don't like him, and won't like him as President. But he's better than what we have now.

There's always 2008. More primaries and another election.

[JI7]

11. and again, many of us DO like Kerry

i know not everyone likes him. but there are many of us who do like him very much and supported him and continue to do so. and we saw him as the best of all the candidates who ran.

[JNelson6563]

20. Your feelings for Kerry aside

there are lots of secondary races that could use help. National, state and local races are being run across the country. Find one you like and jump in!

I'm a Deanie and I am working a coordinated campaign effort in my region, working with the county parties to help all our candidates.

Julie

[janx]

22. Yep, the momentum continues on a county level.

This Saturday, we'll have our county meeting/barbecue--it'll be a lot of fun.

It was funny because I got calls tonight from the campaigns of both Dem US Senate candidates...

There is NO QUESTION regarding my favorite Colorado Dem for the U.S. Senate. None at all. No matter what the DNC or DLC has to say about it, MILES won in the primaries.

Salazar is a big name here. I hope he will be governor some day. But we need new minds for the U.S. Senate, and we need them based on what the people of the state understand them to be.

Let's go, people of Colorado!

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[Pab Sungenis]

19. Excuse me?

I had nothing hateful to say about Kerry's supporters. I don't like the man, but will vote for him because he's better than Bush.

It's not like we're going to Nader; you don't have to keep defending your man. Especially in such an aggressive manner.

[JI7]

21. i was not responding to you, i was responding to another post

which attacked ME personally.

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[JI7]

29. you attacked me personally

i just said what i think about a candidate without attacking either the other candidate or the supporter.

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[JI7]

40. i sure did read your last post

and i saw the personal attacks. it's a shame you think some voters and supporters matter more than others.

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[JI7]

43. there is no rule which says certain threads are limited to certain people

i did nothing in here to attack dean or dean supporters. but you came on attacking me personally with your hatred and anger.

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[JI7]

47. such hatefulness and anger directed at me again

the kerry edwards picture is a part of my sig line . it's something dean supporters often had and may still have just as supporters of other candidates have. yet you decide to attack me personally for the kerry/edwards picture.

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[JI7]

44. more hatred and anger from a dean supporter

and this time with threats .

"what you posted are what I expect from Kerry supporters, so don't be surprised when you get whacked for them."

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[JI7]

48. more personal attacks on me

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[JI7]

50. you are the one with personal attacks

again.

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[JI7]

53. and yet your the one with the personal attacks

with the hatred and anger directed at me just because i support kerry. and you are calling others thin skinned ?

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[JI7]

63. and get used to those who support someone other than Dean

amazing how you demand i get used to the bashing. yet you attack me personally just because i say something positive about my candidate or post a picture.

[qwlauren35]

35. Ummm. you've now crossed the line.

There's a difference between "I despise Kerry"

vs.

"the loser candidate"

There were NINE "losers", including Edwards. So what exactly are you trying to say?????

In fact, don't answer that. Just realize that you have now "attacked" a candidate. Something you previously said you wouldn't do.

I want to like Kerry and support him. YOU are NOT helping.

[JI7]

36. i am responding to a poster which attacked me personally

seems you had no problem with that person crossing the line in attacking me.

[qwlauren35]

52. But!!!

The poster who attacked you purposely had their message deleted. I NEVER SAW IT. So it's not a question of me not having a problem with the person who attacked you.

My problem is with the fact that you kept going.

In fact, to be perfectly honest, I don't understand why you started posting here in the first place. Yes, free speech and all that, but in effect, you came to defend a position that no one else was talking about. The topic was started to check in with other previous Dean supporters, and you jumped in all of a sudden out of left field, NOT as a former Dean supporter at all... and when others questioned why you would want to jump in, you got defensive, and now you have actually attacked a candidate that many of us STILL have tremendous respect for.

I'm not about to tell you to leave. That would be pointless! But if you can't see your own culpability in this hornet's nest then you are seriously kidding yourself.

[JI7]

54. there is no rule that says threads are limited to certain people

and i didn't even attack dean or his supporters unlike that person who attacked me personally. it says a lot about people who think i contributed to an argument just because i said i support someone without attacking anyone else, yet say nothing about that person who attacked me personally.

[Larkspur]

55. Oh, there's that full page picture of Kerry and Edwards again

:eyes:

I think it's rude for posters to have pictures that consume an entire screen in every post. It's OK once in a while for emphasis on an issue, but every post gets to be too bothersome to read with these graphics consume space and bandwidth.

[JI7]

56. most people like the Kerry/Edwards picture

and you can turn off graphics for your own account ifyou don't want to see it.

[Larkspur]

59. It's the size of the picture that's the problem

and I shouldn't have to turn off graphics just become some people what to continually post large pictures. That's rude.

[JI7]

61. it's not a problem for me

[Larkspur]

58. Such foul language!!!

Shame on you!!!

[TeacherCreature]

60. Why are you bullying Dean supporters?

So some people don't like Kerry, what is that to you? As long as they aren't talking people into votin for someone else, I don't see why you always feel the need to jump in on every thread and try to convince people that they should like the guy. You can not control other peoples feelings and thinking so stop trying.
Do you really think you are going to force people to like him?
You got what you wanted, Kerry is the candidate. Now leave everyone alone before you turn them off to the guy permanently.

[Larkspur]

62. Well said!

:toast:

[JI7]

64. why do you have a problem with me supporting Kerry?

i never felt the need to convince everyone they should like kerry. i didn't even do that on here. i never tried to control other people's feelings.


but why do you feel the need to attack me for saying i like kerry and support him. why do you feel the need to see yourself as a victim being forced to like someone when all i did was say that i like and support kerry.

amazing how you want to be free to complain about the candidate yet you have a problem with me saying i like and support kerry.

and as i said i never did anything to force anyone to like kerry or to support him.

if you don't want to vote for kerry then don't vote for him. but don't expect me to not respond to posts about how i feel. at least i don't attack personally as that other person attacked me just for saying i support and like kerry.

[Larkspur]

65. To don't have a problem with your support of Kerry, just your desire to

dominate those of us who despise Kerry or just don't like him. This thread was titled "Calling Deaniacs!" not "Calling Kerry supporters!"

and as i said i never did anything to force anyone to like kerry or to support him.
But your repeated slamming of Dean supporters who don't like Kerry with "I like him and that should be good enough for you, blah, blah blah" is a form of forcing your Kerry fanaticsm on us, and to top it off, when you cry "foul!" when we rebuke your mentality, that just re-enforces our dislike of Kerry supporters.

Too bad you don't like it when those of us who despise Kerry admit it. The real world is not a Kerry web site.

[JI7]

67. you are the one who attacked me personally

just because i said i like and support kerry. the ones who seem to have a problem seems to be the ones who can't stand that people do like kerry and when we say so they start attacking us personally.

it really says something about someone when they consider someone saying something positive about their candidate to be an attack on supporters of another candidate.

[Larkspur]

73. No, I attacked your bullying of Dean supporters

who don't like Kerry.

You are the bully and this thread specifically called for Dean supporters, not Kerry supporters.

It really says something about a person who enters a thread that they were not invited to, slams a Dean supporter who says he doesn't like Kerry, and then crys "Foul!" when other Dean supporters rebuke that Kerry supporter.

[JI7]

76. saying "I" like kerry is not bullying

i didn't force or demand anyone else to like him. i said I liked him.

and the only rebuke i got from people like you was personal attacks just because i said that "i like kerry".

[Larkspur]

77. Forcefully using it against a Dean supporter who doesn't like Kerry

but is voting for him anyway is bullying.

You are not a Deaniac and your overuse of your Kerry Edwards picture is visual abuse.

[Pastiche423]

66. ARE YOU A DEANIAC?

Did you not read the title of this thread?

It was a call out for DEANIACS!

You are the one being rude!

Gawd, I despise little Ms Victims!

[JI7]

68. hahhhaa, those playing victims are the ones who have attacked me

just for saying i like and support kerry.

[demwing]

69. OK, J17, Its clear you like and support Kerry

and as the author of the thread called, "Lesser of two Evils" I think I'm can say that I agree that the lesser of two evils meme is old and counter productive.

But you are hijacking this thread. Its annoying to Dean supporters. You are not making any Kerry supporters here, so please stop.

OK?

[JI7]

70. i didn't hijack anything. i'm responding to posts directed at me

i'm not the one who is attacking people personally as others on here have done to me. and i'm not looking to make any kerry supporters here. i'm responding to what i want to and especially to those that attack me personally.

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[JI7]

72. i respond to posts which attack me personally

interesting how you want me to stay out of threads which attack me personally as you now do.

[Pastiche423]

74. Her's a rational thought!

Don't want to be attacked?

When a thread calls for people that support a specific'candidate that you do not, keep thy fingers still!

Your only purpose entering this thread was to hijack it, then plead victimization.

So can it on the poor little ol' me crap.

[JI7]

75. there is no rule that says only certain people can go into certain threads

i did nothing to attack dean or dean supporters in here. yet it's very interesting that me just saying that i supported and liked kerry was taken as an attack by others on here. and now i am accused of hijacking a thread just because i said i like and support kerry. shows who is really playing victim here while at the same time attacking me personally.

10. remember if you don't get the lesser of two evils you get the greater

of two evils.
Your choice.
I can understand being tired of having to make that choice though.

[janx]

13. Those are my thoughts as well.

And it isn't as if Dean is just fading into the background. He's not going to disappear anytime soon.

[Pab Sungenis]

16. That's why I'm voting for Kerry....

...but saving my money and energy for the local races. I don't think Kerry will make a great President, but he can't make a worse.

The problem is that I finally want someone I can feel good voting FOR, not voting AGAINST the other guy.

[Sugarbleus]

23. Sadly, I'm with you Pabsungenis....

I was so disappointed when we got Kerry..but I plowed ahead. Now we have Edwards with him and thats cool, I guess.

I've been donating to Kerry each month since he got the nod. I'm stopping now. I've seen some ads and heard some of the things each of the johns have said about certain things and I can't cope with it. A few things they say are similar to the 'ole "bait and switch" tactic and I ain't diggin it. BUT, I WILL VOTE for them just to get the fascist pigs out of our White House.

I too will be saving up and looking forward to another candidate when the time comes. If Kerry/Edwards do very well, I'll dance in the town square naked, if they bomb, I'll be back in here with all of you working on the next election and a panel of candidates.

I saw Dean debate Nader the other day and fell in love with Dean!

Dean, Kucinich or(lastly) Edwards would have been my preference...alas.. We need some inspiration from our candidates, a "movement" like Dean started. We need significant change..which I don't see coming. I don't actually see much difference between the dems and the repubs except for the environmental issues and the budget--not enough IMO.

HOLDING MY NOSE AND VOTING FOR KERRY:hurts:

[demwing]

31. You have the power!

You wrote:

"Dean, Kucinich or(lastly) Edwards would have been my preference...alas.. We need some inspiration from our candidates, a "movement" like Dean started."

Don't wait around for a movement to join, start your OWN movement. That is what Dean taught me. Inspiration comes from within, not from without.

[janx]

32. The Dean movement is alive and well!

http://www.democracyforamerica.com


Check it out!

[Florida G Man]

18. I dislike John Kerry too, BUT..

I dislike John Kerry BUT I will vote hor him too. I am unhappy that he is our pick. Dean would of been a stronger campaigner, and got people excited to vote for someone.

Edwards helps, but John Kerry is SO BORING sometimes, and i think his crap about life at conception is hipocritical.

But I will still vote for anyone that is the DEMOCRAT.

[TeacherCreature]

3. better yet

Support DFA candidates. Get some populist grassroots candidates into office.

[SoFlaJet]

4. Lauren

have you noticed how Kerry has adopted Dean' we can do better and we will stuff?Howard Dean is a great democrat and one wishes Nader had his...well was more like him.Be true to what you believe in and make that belief bigger than your ego.Nader's ego is outta control.as is his sense of denial.

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[cjbuchanan]

5. Welcome back

As stated above, a lot of Dean folks are already working for Kerry/Edwards.

Have you joined Democracy for America yet? They are keeping former Dean folks very active. If you have not seen it, take a look: http://www.democracyforamerica.com/.

I agree with your message about needed to get rid of Shrub and I am happy to say that just about every 'Deaniac' has decided to do the same. Heck, I even think every Clarkie has even come aboard (Clark fans, that is not an attack, just a lame attempt humor).

So welcome back to action and lets keep the energy up till November and beyond.

[bigwillq]

6. Hello fellow Dean fan!!

Welcome back.

Like someone posted above, sign up on Kerry's website.

They give you a list of events in your local area. I'm planning to go to two house parties in the coming weeks.

[MODemocrat]

12. Former Deaniac and still a strong admirer of Dean

I have become involved in the Kerry-Edwards campaign, and,find myself
liking and admiring John Kerry beyond belief. He makes me proud in so many ways. He doesn't resort to lying like Bush, he keeps his cool, and in my opinion, he's very inteligent. The more I see him, the
happier it makes me that I was able to make the transition. Edwards is a plus for this ticket. Together they just have so much energy.

:hi: :thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup: :toast:

[Beaverhausen]

14. Women of DFA

http://www.womenofdfa.org/

[qwlauren35]

24. Thanks for the Link...

I'm embarrassed to say that my husband is annoyed at the thought that I would send any more money to my favored candidates. But I'm trying to support the ones whom I think will make a huge difference.

[NoPasaran]

26. Already there, already doing that!

Our local grassroots group is the Kerry presence in Austin. We have ever-growing Meetups and have raised thousands of dollars with house parties. We've sold several hundred of our T shirts and have a great local website. We've recently become part of our county's coordinated campaign. And we all get along as a team, regardless of which candidate we may have supported six months ago.

[mzmolly]

27. Welcome aboard. I plan to get active in this eleciton as well, people

can't afford NOT to. :hi:

[Moderator]

78. locking

This thread has long since become counterproductive