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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:00 PM
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Obama Falls 7 Points in One Day Verses Clinton In NC
Edited on Sat May-03-08 01:07 PM by prodn2000
Is this YouTube fallout or just more of the (w)right effect?


http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1496
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:02 PM
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1. It's more continuation from those who knew it was over shortly after Super Tuesday.
And are working for Hillary2012 ever since.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:02 PM
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2. That's why they do two day averages....
Some days are more extreme than others. The large Obama lead the day before was seemingly too high. So they balance out.
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obamaguy2 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:04 PM
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3. It's that stupid Wright guy
I'm wondering if he really does want Obama to lose.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:06 PM
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4. Who knows for sure.
I hope he finds his way to some TV cameras soon, though.

I miss him!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:06 PM
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5. Obama leads Clinton 50% to 34% in that poll.
Clinton can't crack 40%, and you call that "fallout"?

Clinton Rules are funny.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:07 PM
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7. Fixed. Thanks
for the heads up
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:14 PM
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12. So he fell four points in one day, not seven. And Hillary still can't crack 40%.
Are you going to fix your OP too?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:16 PM
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14. He was up +16 yesterday, and it is in single digits today.
Change of 7 points.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:29 PM
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17. That's an odd way of looking at it....
... but either way, it sure doesn't appear NC will be the "game changer" Hillary's promising to you.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:07 PM
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6. I doubt it's the Kantor video
There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone in Obama's campaign had anything to do with it, and tapper has specifically said the campaign did not send him the video. Plus, the video has only gotten a little bit of attention outside the blogosphere.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:09 PM
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8. It was covered on AC360 last night
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:09 PM
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9. If Obama can't win North Carolina by more than 10 points, he is unelectable.
This is a state with close to 40% of the electoral being African American, that of which he'll receive 90% of their vote.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:11 PM
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10. If he doesn't win by more than 10 points, he needs to suspend his campaign
And figure out how to get back on the (w)right track.

:rofl:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:14 PM
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11. Why? Hillary couldn't win PA by 10 points. Are you suggesting that
primaries predict general elections? Because the history of elections doesn't back that up.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:15 PM
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13. Hillary doesn't get 90% of the white vote. n/t
Edited on Sat May-03-08 01:21 PM by NJSecularist
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:55 PM
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22. That's what they said about Hillary in OH and PA.... (9.2 is less than 10)
So it is interesting we hear such absolutes coming from Hillary Goal Post Moving Company.....
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:57 PM
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23. way to make it a race thing
and by ur theory, then so is hillary since she didnt win penn by more than 10.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:53 PM
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30. LOL
What a nice big pile of steaming shit.
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:16 PM
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15. Awesome. K&R. n/t
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:17 PM
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16. and will still kick her ass there on Tuesday!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:28 PM
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18. Good luck.
He better win by 20% or he is going to have the appearance of an "electability" problem.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:41 PM
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21. The irony is Obama can--and will--win NC and not answer the electability issue
He will win due to a 30-3 advantage among his ethnic group. He will lose everyone else by double digits. The biggest question about his electability is his limited appeal outside of his ethnic group and winning NC due to a net 27 point overall advantage among your ethnic group while getting less than 40% among everyone else will not assuage the concerns many superdelegates have about his limited appeal.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:04 PM
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25. So why can't Hillary hold HER racial group?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:40 PM
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28. Your argument is whites should bloc vote for a candidate because she is white?
Edited on Sat May-03-08 05:41 PM by jackson_dem
She wins whites with almost 60%, Latinos 2:1, won Asians in California 3:1. She has broad appeal that transcends race.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:42 PM
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29. Your argument is that Blacks only support Obama because he's black?
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:29 PM
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27. NO. He just has to win the state which he will. Shit, he might win Indiana also.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:31 PM
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19. It is just Zogby still sucking. Obamites were desperate in latching onto Zog yesterday
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:36 PM
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20. Shhhhh.
HE IS A LEGITIMATE POLLSTER!


:rofl::rofl:
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:02 PM
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24. Has anybody even bothered to look at the full set of polls?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html

They have all been pretty consistent, showing Obama with a 5-10% lead, and that's probably about where it will end up. NC is by far the largest block of pledged delegates left. Clinton cannot afford to lose in NC. It looks like she could win by 5% in Indiana, but if she turns around and loses NC by 5% that is devastating to the tiny sliver of hope her campaign might have had.

From Guam, IN, and NC, Obama will pick up nearly 100 pledged delegates. Then in WV, KY, and OR, he will get at least 55. Then in RP, MT, and SD, he will get about 45.

1739 (his present total) + 100 + 55 + 45 = 1939, meaning that he needs only 85 more superdelegates beyond the 250 RealClearPolitics gives him how. That is 85 out of 277 uncommitted SD. And don't forget there is a "Pelosi club" of SDs who have agreed to back the one who ends up with the most pledged delegates, so it really is a question of "when" not "if". If Obama has a decent showing on Tuesday, look for at least half those needed 85 to come out within the next week.
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:05 PM
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26. its the zogby effect.
.
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